This week’s post is based on recent experiences and inspired by this comment posted on a previous article — “the eyes see only what the mind knows” (thank you ”˜woundlicker’). It’s the on-going subject about how on earth we can open other peoples’ eyes about the psychopaths who live and breathe among us. My recent experiences have highlighted, yet again, how tricky it is for people to get their head around this kind of information — let alone accept that they have been duped!
I often think back to the early days after I discovered the truth about my ex, and how puzzling I found it when people just didn’t seem to believe me when I told them what had happened. No matter how many reams of black and white evidence I had to support my claims, no matter how many times I repeated the story, and no matter how many ways I explained how a psychopath works (based on what I learned after the event) they would still ask questions that left me open-mouthed and speechless. “But surely he must be feeling absolutely terrible, and he must be missing you so much now — do you think there might be a chance you will get back together?”
I remember every time a question or statement like that was made — in all innocence, of course, because they were only trying to understand the unthinkable truth — I felt the emotional blows to my chest and my stomach as if they were real. Over and over, the shame and guilt would be relived as people screwed up their faces trying to make sense of what I knew to be the truth “but surely, Mel, a bright and intelligent person like you, surely you must have known something was going on?” “How can anyone tell so many lies for so long — it must have been exhausting!” Many times I felt like screaming out loud”¦ although on most occasions I decided that calm responses would serve me better in the long run! Yes, I am bright and intelligent (although there were times I began to wonder whether perhaps I might have been better understood had I been deemed slow and dim-witted!) and yes, lying is exhausting for the likes of normal people. But as everyone here knows, we’re not dealing with a ‘normal person’ — these people simply don’t tick the way we do!
We’re NOT All The Same!
As is often discussed here on this site, we don’t know what we don’t know”¦ and the fact is, in order to learn new things, people need to find something — anything — to connect with something they already know. It’s like finding a foundation stone, or a solid piece of ground from which to start”¦. The difficulty with explaining the psychopath, though, is that while they may look like us and often come across better than many normal people, that is where the likeness ends. So people who are doing their best to understand, automatically link the appearance of a normal person with what they know to be the behaviours of a normal person — specifically themselves, or people they know. And unless someone has already been targeted by a psychopath, the idea that such ”˜creatures’ exist and influence others in such a negative way is often pooh-poohed as being far fetched. As if such a notion is as ridiculous as early childhood fears about bogeymen and monsters under the bed.
I remember many times feeling certain that well-meaning people were quietly calling my own sanity in to question “well, you’ve been through an awful lot — perhaps you’re over-reacting a bit? It’s understandable, of course”¦ I’d do the same”¦ but perhaps, you know, it’s not as bad as you think”¦?” I knew at the time that they meant no harm. That their kind eyes and hugs were meant to reassure me”¦ but each time I heard words like that, it would be another kick in the teeth and I’d shut up and hide myself away even further — becoming more and more determined, absolutely resolutely and passionately determined, that some day I’d tell every detail of my story so that I would be heard and believed. Certain that in doing so, not only would I vindicate myself, but that my actions would also provide others with a platform to identify with and make sense of their own experiences. I’m coming to realize, though, that this is just the start.
The Parasitic Predator
In my professional career, I work in the field of leadership development. This means that I am regularly exposed to top-level directors and managers within large organizations. According to Robert Hare and Paul Babiak’s recent study of more than 200 executives, nearly 4% scored at or above the traditional cut-off for psychopathy. Dr Babiak uses the phrase ”˜parasitic predator’ to describe corporate psychopaths, saying “They are parasitic in that they are looking for a host to support them. A big company is an easy place in which to hide” Couple that with the fact that many leadership skills can arguably be translated in to psychopathic traits, it makes even more sense that this level of professionals could indeed include around four times the number of psychopaths than research suggests we should expect to find in every day life. In the corporate world where profit is king and ruthless decision-making can be viewed as a positive if not necessary attribute for successful leaders, it makes perfect sense to me that psychopaths should be attracted to this arena.
It also makes perfect sense to me that, with an increasing awareness about psychopathy thanks to the work of people like Dr Robert Hare, and the growing audiences on sites like Lovefraud and I Am Fishead, people are finally starting to wake up and smell the coffee. Not as much as I’m sure most of us here would like — but it’s a start. Take for example the scathing resignation letter by Greg Smith, the executive who worked for nearly 12 years at Goldman Sachs. Whatever the gentleman’s reasons for writing the letter, he clearly stated the existence of unethical, immoral and callous tactics that he alleges were used by employees of the firm. Regardless of where the ”˜blame’ lies, I for one am pleased that truths like these are being aired — allowing people more opportunities to vote with their feet, and also to become curious as to what is meant by a bad or ”˜toxic’ culture. Along the old adage that no publicity is bad publicity, I buy into the idea that the more these issues are talked about, the more people can choose to find out more — and that, surely, can only be a good thing.
Because it’s a tough job getting people in senior positions to understand and accept exactly how damaging continuing actions of some of their peers can be — to the staff, to the culture and ultimately to the business. I came across a specific case last year, where it was perfectly clear to me that one particular senior person was creating havoc within her department. She was one of those people who knew all the right things to say and could turn on the charm at any given moment. Her bosses adored her, believing her to be the best thing since sliced bread, and her peers admired her business knowledge (marveling at her experience and buying her rather off-the-wall strategy for the business). Her team, though, was terrified of her. When I asked them on a confidential one-to-one basis how they would describe the culture, their eyes would dart around the room, they’d shift in their seats and they’d ask me how confidential their answers were going to be kept. After a great deal of reassurances, I got the truth — both barrels. As these people talked, words such as “fear-based” “abusive” “bullying” and “controlling” came out time and time again.
That, in my opinion, was bad enough. But when the performance of this particular department was actually scrutinized for factual proof of performance, it turned out that the results had plummeted since this lady had taken over — despite her consistent and eloquent affirmations that her plan was working! I found it baffling to understand how she was able to maintain her position — and what was stopping her peers and her immediate bosses from seeing through her performance. Until, that is, I started talking with them and really hearing what they were saying.
I Thought It Was Me!
Yes, they’d heard the rumours and had of course realised that the figures were not stacking up to the original plan. They also knew that it was difficult to stand up to this person in meetings, as she would shout people down and baffle them with long-winded justifications about what she was doing and why they need to stick with the plan. The entire team, not just those who worked under this person, had learned to walk on eggshells around her. This had been going on for so long that many of them had simply given up any idea of questioning her tactics — because it had become just too draining and too much hard work. “And anyway” whispered one of her peers when the truth started to emerge “I thought it was just me! I thought I was the one being stupid! I thought that I just wasn’t bright enough to understand the plan!”
It was a Homer Simpson “Doh!” moment for me. Well of course people are going to find it hard to stand up to people who are highly likely psychopathic — in exactly the same way it was difficult for me to break free, or even realize what was happening. Even after the truth became clear, there has still been (and continues to be) a long journey back to health and self-respect. So I can fully appreciate that it may seem the ”˜easier’ route to just let things continue, particularly in the workplace where (in many cases) you can leave it all behind when you leave at the end of the day”¦ better the devil you know eh?
Well no actually. The devil you know is certainly not the best option in my opinion. Because if we don’t stand up and do something when something is clearly wrong, well then we’re giving the message that this kind of behaviour and culture is ok. It’s in these kind of places that the good people tend to walk away when they realize what’s happening. These are the kind of places where the workforce that is left is emotionally shut down and just there to get through the day rather than being there to develop enthusiasm and passion for the business.
But you know what I’m realising? I’m realising that when people begin to understand and consciously embrace positive team and leadership behaviours, the ”˜devil you know’ is suddenly left out on their own — because they can no longer thrive or manipulate when their peers and bosses are learning about honest and open communication. When the team trust each other enough to say “no” whenever inappropriate behaviour creeps back in. When they are confident enough to ask each other to explain the detail when something is not clear. With those behaviours becoming second nature, the psychopath’s manipulation and mind-games are suddenly ineffective — because fear is replaced with trust, silence with questions, and uncertainty with passion.
And I’m learning that there is no need to point the finger or even use the word psychopath — which, in a corporate environment can create some pretty big responses. No. The fact is, the more we as ”˜normal’ people learn to step up and say “yes” to the good stuff (the things we like, that are healthy, that enable us to grow as individuals and as a collective) and say “no” to the bad stuff (fear, control, manipulation and deliberately confusing word-smithing) the less psychopaths will be able to thrive among us.
And you know what? It only works 🙂
Our culture enables. It enables for many reasons. People do question, but many times they’re shot down and labled unfairly. We are ignorant of so much.
I agree, Mel, that the bad apples cannot continue when people strive for openess and coorporation.
Freaking, check out http://www.statementanalysis.com. You might find your answers there.
You know some of the stuff the psychopaths do is so outragerous that a “normal” person resists believing that…then when you get a conspiracy of two or more of the Ps working together it sounds like the plot from a very badly written novel. It is so difficult to believe that probably no normal person could believe it.
And if they did believe it….you must be crazy to be involved in such a thing yourself. So they better watch out for you.
Then you got the “sweet little old ladies” like my egg donor who is covered head to toe with her mask of piety and there is no way anyone is going to believe a word lI would say about her evil deeds.
G1S;
When I met my x-spath, I was in the ending of a 3+ year management position at an international financial services company. When I joined this company, I fell for its “client first” focus. As time went on, I realized I had joined one of the most corrupt and morally bankrupt companies ever to exist, one that had been at the center of every financial scandal going back to WW2, when they were instrumental laundering Nazi money.
Yes, I did question and I was shot down. I had an electronic trail to prove that. However, when management needed a scapegoat, they found one in me. Thankfully, I was prepared and after a two+ year legal battle, got a settlement from then regarding my illegal termination.
Dring this time, I did a lot of research. One thing that struck me was the utter lack of successful actions taken against such corporations. While settlements are not public, the simple fact that I could only find a handful of case where a plaintiff successfully tried one won a case against a financial services company is telling.
Ox Drover says:
“When you get a conspiracy of two or more of the Ps working together it sounds like the plot from a very badly written novel. It is so difficult to believe that probably no normal person could believe it…”
Ox, at the most crucial meeting of my career, I was in a room with another manager, our manager (an executive director) and his manager (a managing director). The other manager began with a litany of issues regarding this one particular vendor who was under two contracts to develop software. Keep in mind this “vendor” was staffed by former employees of my company and was both contracts were sole-sourced without competitive bids. At best, a conflict of interest, and possibly illegal.
After the other manager ended, the managing director turned to me and asked me if I had similar problems with this vendor and said yes. The managing director than turned to our manager and said: “why is the first time I am hearing this? Our manager said: “it is the first time I am hearing these issues as well…”
Anyone with a clue about body language would know he was lying, as his knee was visibly shaking and in answering her looked at me, not her. Yet she believed him. Why? She was obviously incompetent, but his lie was so outrageous, it almost had to be believed.
Struggling emotionally today 🙁 Need some ” luvvin’ ”
I learned young that my value lay in pleasing others and that it was my responsibility to keep them happy. If they were angry etc…… then I was “failing” and I became anxious and guilty trying to work out how to “fix” things.
My worth depended on how “giving” I was and how much I could “serve” people. The more worthless I felt the more I felt I needed to give. I was exhausted trying to keep the world happy.
I was frightened of my Dad. I would shake with fear at the thought (just the thought) of his anger. This conditioning was “triggered” throughout my life whenever I experienced or thought about domineering/controlling people.
Anam Cara, dear dear Anam Cara, your worth is not dependent on keeping others happy. I can sooooo relate to that dictation that we (I) keep everyone happy and if someone was unhappy it was my fault. Well THAT’S NOT TRUE.
While this “tape recording” of demands made by our parents can’t be “erased” we can MUTE IT…..shut it down from playing, by saying to ourselves. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HAPPINESS OF OTHERS. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN HAPPINESS. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIRS.
These old “tapes” that have UNTRUE information are what we were taught, and what makes our emotions react, but LOGICALLY we can realize they are untrue. Like the old “there is good in everybody” THAT IS A LIE. There are lots of those lies floating out there and in our heads as well.
When you find yourself feeling anxious or scared or like a failure, I can bett’ya there is an UNTRUE TAPE RUNNING IN THE BACK GROUND. When you feel that way. STOP look for the tape, what it is and then PUSH THE MUTE BUTTON….and every time you start to feel this way, consciously STOP and push the MUTE button….soon you will get the mute to pretty well stay on.
If you have not read Dr. Eric Berne’s book “Games People Play” get a copy of it and read it, it will help you to see how to silence these old tapes and about the games that we get sucked into because of them.
So hang in there and silence whatever tape is running in the background to make you feel badly today! (((hugs))) and God bless.
Anam,
Begining with a virtual hug because sometimes, that is enough and most of us don’t get enough of that kind of support- the its gonna be ok message without words. Sometimes, words miss the mark.
What if you begin by acknowledging that you are good at making people happy and pleasing others. That is a real skill. I tend to be better at being annoying myself and I admire it in others. Its a gift. And a good one.
But, you attempted the impossible. And subsequently fell down. That too is ok. Its something you can learn from. Don’t be trying to make spaths happy. You can’t. They are incapable.
So you can shrug that off and enjoy your gift by offering it to people who will appreciate and benefit from it.
The question isn’t your gift, its where you offer it. And you need to absorb the lesson about offering it under conditions where there is no possibility for success.
My favorite pearl of wisdom is that it doesn’t matter how many times you solve the wrong problem well, you won’t get the right result.
This, to me, points to a re evaluation of what problems you are trying to solve or fix?
What you need is to improve your skill of analyzing where there are problems you can fix and where there are not and choosing better where to use your gifts.
There are amazing career and life opportunities for people who have your skill and it isn’t one to underestimate.
However, there are other skills that you need to use it effectively. So, what are they? How do you grow them?
Where did not having them put you in compromised situations?
To me, it seems like this is a time of rethinking what your boundaries need to be to best take care of you. You need to use some of that skill for yourself. And that’s hard…
What is the old saying about the cobbler’s children always go barefoot? Something like that.
In the Power of Now, Exckhardt Tolle describes being able to look at the part of yourself that hurts from a distance and see the pain for what it is.
Becoming an observer of that part of yourself gives you a vantage from which to think more clearly and to find peace right now when you are having a tough time.
You don’t have to be the pain.
I found this idea incredibly helpful.
Perhaps you will too.
His lectures are available on CD and what helped me through those awful days (there were a bunch of them) was to listen to the CD’s so that instead of focusing on my own thoughts which were very sad and dismal, I could focus on the sound of his voice.
Now, I listen to them again and they continue to give me insights when I start to slide back into that place.
Remember, you didn’t seek to be fooled or taken advantage of. It did happen. And you can learn from it.
What you can learn is that you have some wonderful gifts, but they were given to people who couldn’t benefit from your gifts and that left you feeling depleted.
On the worst days, remember that sunshine helps your body and if you can get out into it for even 20 minutes, it makes a difference.
Exercise helps too. A brisk walk will do wonders.
Once, I was told that when people are feeling their worst, they often skip breakfast. Being hungry and thirsty can contribute to down days so make sure to cover the basics.
If you had a magic wand, you could not make other people happy any more than you can turn them into toads.
They can choose to react to what you offer by being happy or happier. And this is often the response that individuals with that nurturing gift are able to provoke.
Find a way and a place to use your gifts that they will be well received. And where they are not, learn how to not internalize the failure to provoke the happy response, but to better qualify where to use your talent.
This too shall pass.
anam cara, I am glad you are here on Lovefraud. Sometimes it helps to just express the thoughts as they surface. People here are kind and compassionate listeners, even if we do not always respond. There is value in your offering this part of yourself, the telling of YOUR story. That is a gift, and thank you for reaching out. You continue to extend yourself, and that shows that there is a flame burning within you that has not been extinguished. Bless you.
You are valued, your value is inherent in You. It is not just through the giving that you do, but in your Being. Your existence.
In a sense it does not matter that you put your pearls before swine. You have these pearls, and they are not lost or wasted because you previously misunderstood what you are supposed to do with your gifts.
You are as intact as you ever were. You’ve been battered and shaken, but you are still You and you will get strong. Don’t give up. You are not alone.
Blessings…
Perhaps I’m overly optimistic, but I had the opposite reaction from friends and family. I was the one always defending him while they all told me he was no good. I alienated myself from people that had always respected me for being strong because I was proving myself to be so weak with him. I’m optimistic because at least in my world, I seemed to be the only one that was so naive to psychopathic behavior. He just didn’t look anything like Charles Manson to me.
I believe people in general are much more aware of psychopaths and sociopaths today than ever before. The myth that they stand out in a crowd is just that, a myth. It would be nice if they had a scarlet P’s or S’s on their foreheads, but they don’t.
What it comes down to in the end is if someone seems too good to be true, says all the right things, wants to move quickly into your life instead of getting to know you at a normal pace, showers you with compliments and attention far more prematurely than they should, although all those things sound wonderful, they’re not. It’s bad. It’s blatant red flags. Run!!! If you can’t find it within yourself to do it then, then for cripe’s sakes do it the first time they lie to you. We all know that forgiveness of that first lie does nothing but let them know they picked the right victim.
I think every year, every month, every day more and more people are becoming aware of the prevalence of these deranged beings as they are more and more exposed with the advent of the Internet and wonderful forums like Lovefraud. There’s no need to feel stupid or alone anymore, and there’s no reason for anyone to ever be taken or conned again. I pray for the day that the exposure is so widespread that they just cannot get away with this crap anymore because everyone will be wise to them.
Donna, I am eternally grateful for this site. Without it, I would not be anywhere near as emotionally healthy as I am today. It would have taken me far longer to get to the point I am in my healing process without the understanding that I’ve gained from this site, without the support of the other posters. I am not by any stretch healed, but I am well on my way.
See, I’ve been a voyeur to Lovefraud for quite a while, but it wasn’t until I knew I was ready for NC that I felt I had the right to post anything. I’m not sure I ever would have gotten there without my ability to have so much information about these creeps so readily available on the Internet. The point in time finally came where I just could no longer live in denial thinking he was right; that I was helping him, that he was different, that he knew something was terribly wrong with him and he wanted to get better. Yeah, I was helping him all right…..helping him manipulate me.
Thank you again, Donna, and thank you all for your stories and strength.
Oxy I will try to get a copy of “Games People Play”
I have heard of this book. Thanks.