This may be the most flagrant and egregious case of school bullying ever—and teachers laughed. Read:
Kids and laughing teachers bullied suicide teen, on ABCNews.go.com.
More bullying stories:
Downtown Miami charter school sexual abuse and bullying led boy to attempt suicide twice: Lawsuit, on HuffingtonPost.com.
Teacher accused of raping 12-year-old boy, on AOL.com.
Links provided by Lovefraud readers.
Election day is comming…
Please ask candidates who are running for office if they will promise to support, and/or promote anti-bullying legislation. DO NOT accept evasive answers (ever notice that candidates often answer a question by talking about an unrelated subject…don’t allow this!). Demand an answer!
THEN VOTE for those candidates who want to pass laws against these bullying slags!
PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR A POLITICAL PARTY!
…vote for good people who believe in honesty and integrity and who promise to support/pass laws against bullying…regardless of a candidate’s political party affiliation!
I just watched the Bobo doll experiment in the link that you gave us, Back from the Edge.
Thank you so much for providing that.
Monkey see/monkey do.
I am not saying everyone abused turns out to be a ppath/spath but I think this experiment has proven that children will try to imitate that which they see and hear.
I raised my own children, away from all the violence on television, until they were well into their teenage years for that very reason. I think too many children are being desensitized by the media glorifying abnormal behaviors.
I think that is where the bullying comes from. The original sense of self empowerment. Only instead of ppath’s/spaths directing that empowerment into positive actions/reactions, they unleash it like a burst of nuclear energy, wiping out that which is in their way of what they want.
It’s the same with spaths/ppaths, ‘monkey see, monkey do.’ “IT” said to me, once: “I am just like a monkey, aren’t I? Putting on a show.” Didn’t really understand that, at the time, but I sure do now. Yes, Dear, just like a monkey.
Dupey
IT IS ALL ABOUT CHOICE.
WE ALL HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR CHOICE.
IT IS WHAT WE DO WITH OUR CHOICES THAT MATTER.
Just because they are ‘sick’, that does not mean I have to give up my life. I don’t believe I should be that ‘compassionate’. I see the ‘sickness’ for what it is and I don’t want it around me any more. Never again. That is all there is to it. There were LOTS of ugly and horrible things that took place between us. I have buried most of them because they aren’t even worth suffering over anymore.
IT IS ALL ABOUT CHOICE and they should be held as responsible as anyone else in this life, for their choices.
Sick or not. If they are sick, they should be forced into treatment. Especially the threatening and violent ones. I don’t see that happening and it makes me afraid for my grandchildren and their lives after I am gone.
They should remake the Bobo Doll experiment and put ppaths/spaths in place of the clown. hehehe
Interesting enough, spathy had a fear of clowns….
Amazing; isn’t it?
Dupey
Back from the Edge,
Many abused children do not end up as abusers. Some of them grow up to find people who will continue to abuse them (they identify with the victim role.)
There are also those who break away from the pattern and resolve to have a different life. Some people whiteknuckle it and remain very vulnerable, while others get themselves into recovery and successfully separate from that whole dynamic and do not repeat it.
I’m would be very hestitant about forcing anyone into treatment since Ps use that information to their advantage later on as opposed to changing for the better. I don’t want to put them into something that will make them more skillful at hurting others down the road.
G1S: I can relate about the hesitancy to force anyone like a ppath/spath into treatment for the reson being they would become more skilled and learned in their endeavors. I do understand that. I have seen it with my own eyes. Skillful enough to outsmart the fox. They just say whatever they need to to ‘get by’. That’s it. There is no real earnest effort towards change. That word is not in their vocabulary.
I was an abused child from the word “GO” and although I do not think of myself as a saint or anything, by any means, I have never purposely went out of my way to hurt anyone. In fact, the opposite. I have hurt by giving up too much of myself in compassion and understanding. For that, I am threatened, stalked, abused and I am saying “NO MORE”. I made CONSCIOUS decisions, when I was very young, that I was going to FORSAKE that craziness I saw about me and become something different and that is what I did. I do NOT use my childhood as an excuse for the rotten things I do to others. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. We should ALL be in control of ourselves.
I find little sympathy for people who put forth no effort at all into their ugly and ignorant selves and then complain and whine that their life has gone so rancid. THEY allowed it to happen to them.
My therapist says that “I” am just too strong. That I expect others to ‘live up to’ my idea and strength and personal character and that is being unrealistic. That I need to expect less of others and more from myself. While that makes a lot of sense to me, I find it easier to just not participate. That solves everything. I quite enjoy my time alone in the peace and quiet and am actually considering returning to college. Imagine that. Who knows how much time I have left, but whatever I do have left, it should be doing what “I” want to do and not what is pushed on me.
I chose different. I could have let my childhood dictate WHO I WAS TO BECOME or I could CHOOSE to be something entirely different. It’s all about choice. Nothing comes easy in this life that’s worth having and that includes change in ourselves.
Breaking free from the habitual control I have been under the past five years has been very difficult to overcome and break through this ‘manipulated’ patterns of the past five years. It’s relearning and re disciplining myself and forcing myself past some things that would be very easy and normal, second nature to other people. Then, in the middle of all this, I had a massive heart attack and had two heart surgeries, so far, along the way.
I do think PPATHS/SPATHS need to be controlled unless it doesn’t matter that they RUIN and STEAL peoples lives. They are flying under the legal radar much too well. And, I ask, where are OUR RIGHTS? Hm?
I will never completely understand the enigma they are. I had an ‘egg donor’ that I THOUGHT was a ppath/spath, until I ran into “IT”. I almost say under my breath, once in a while, “Jeez, egg donor, sorry I misjudged you so harshly; after the experience I just had, guess you weren’t so bad after all.” hahahaha
Thanks for the conversation G1S…
Have a happy weekend, would ya?
Dupey
One of my former therapists told me that children of narcissistic parents often do become very compassionate as compensation of what they were deprived of as children.
Mine told me and others that I was “too sensitive.”
I don’t think that we can be “too sensitive” or “too strong.” I don’t think it is healthy for us to be controlling.
I think what can be done, as opposed to attempting to change Ps through therapy, is disempower them by educating the general public.
The more the general public becomes aware of their behavior, who their most likely targets are, and what they are capable of doing, the less likely they will be able to get away with things.
I’m always up for a good conversation. 😮
Shame-core…..ugh
Back from the Edge,
I was just re-reading what you wrote.
What did you mean by,
“THERE IS NO EXCUSE. We should ALL be in control of ourselves…I find little sympathy for people who put forth no effort at all into their ugly and ignorant selves and then complain and whine that their life has gone so rancid. THEY allowed it to happen to them.”?
I disagree. “We should all be in control of ourselves”? Really? Little kids, too? They can beat the monsters? You truly believe that?
This thread is about students and teachers bullying a child in Japan to the point that the child committed suicide. Please put your comments up against that and let me know how they fit. Are you saying that this kid should have had been control over what was going on his life and not succumbed to suicide?
When it comes to psychopathy, we do not “allow” it to happen to us. It happens. That’s why the betrayal is so profound. Most of us cannot identify what is going on and how we are being set up. We also have a substantial block of professionals and society working against us.
This is not a strength. This is a lack of understanding and compassion and no allowance for people having different personalities, insights, skills, and opportunities nor is there any recognition of the forces that they are up against.
That being said, I go back to what I posted previous to this. Some people do not identify with the Ps, some do not become victims (and that is not a choice,) and some do manage to break away.
G1S: there is no excuse for grown adults knowing they have a problem and doing nothing about it is what I meant. And, yes, as adults we SHOULD be in control of ourselves. If we do not control ourselves, we find someone to do that for us, depending upon the heinousness of our actions.
I never said we allowed anything to happen to us.
We were duped and manipulated.
NOBODY can beat the monster. The trick is staying away from the monster in the first place. That’s the trick. And, yes, I do find little sympathy for spaths/ppaths who have choices just like we do. They have all the same things available to them, for treatment that we do. They chose to be the way they are. If it was not a choice, they would change their behavior.
I never said children should be in control of themselves. THEIR PARENTS should have enough respect for their children’s lives that THEY remain in control of themselves. I think you completely misunderstood me.
THEY ARE MAKING A CHOICE TO ACT THE WAY THEY DO BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT. ADULT PPATHS. I said nothing about children. Let me make that perfectly clear. What I said was: we all have choices. I steered clear of the dysfunction “I” grew up in. If I can persist and make it through MY LIFE without blaming my parents and my childhood, I am taking responsibility for my own choices and my own actions and not placing the blame anywhere else, the same way spaths/ppaths do. THAT is the correlation I was trying to impart. I grew up an abused child from the age of 3 years old. I remember it, yes. It has not diminished me in anyway as far as self esteem. BECAUSE I CHOSE DIFFERENT. I stand up and take responsibility for myself and my actions. More importantly, I don’t place the blame for my mistakes on other people in my life. WE ALL HAVE CHOICE. Some day when children recognize they have choices, THEY have choices too.
There is no excuse for a 48 year old man acting like a 12 year old serial killer. That is what I am talking about. We all have parts of our lives that completely suck. We can choose to stay in that spot or get out of it. It’s that simple. I chose to forsake my childhood and my family and move on. I never really had much ‘family’ anyways, so there was nobody but me to nurture and enlighten myself along the way and I think I did a pretty good job of it. I haven’t purposely hurt people along the way and gloated over it.
Children become what they are shown, unless when the children get older, they forsake what they have been shown and become something different. That’s called growth and progression. I refuse to stay in my childhood and use it as a crutch and an excuse for everything rotten I want to do in my life, the way ppaths/spaths do.
Sorry if I put this on the wrong thread. Usually, there is no problem.
Dupey