UPDATED FOR 2024: Lovefraud received the following e-mail from a reader who posts as “forever_me.” She asks a very important question: “Should I warn the next victim?” I’ll answer her question after her letter.
Hello. I am looking for some guidance. I was in a romantic relationship with a P for over 2 years, but just broke it off earlier this week. I discovered that he was using an online dating site and was able to access it because I knew the patterns of his passwords. I created a bogus profile on the same website and contacted one of the women he was messaging. She was shocked to hear from me because my P told her he was single and not dating anyone. What was worse was that they had engaged in unprotected sex a few days before my P and I had unprotected sex. We agreed to meet each other to discuss the details of our relationships with this man. She had been dating him for just over a month.
After my conversation with this woman, I wanted answers from my P, although at this time I didn’t realize that was what he was. I was persistent in my confrontation with him, which took 3 hours of dealing with blatant lie after lie. He initially denied dating anyone else or knowing about the dating site, then claimed he was letting a friend use his identity to cheat on a fiance, then finally admitted he did go on a few dates with the woman I had contacted through the site. However, he swore that he’d never had sex with her or anyone else since we’d been together. In fact, the woman I met was actually stalking him and trying to turn me against him since he rejected her. I eventually walked out the door when he told me he was sorry, not for his actions, but because I was under the misunderstanding we were a couple instead of just friends with benefits. lt is worth noting that during the course of our dialogue, he casually picked up the newspaper to read it and briefly watched the local news as if we were just having a typical evening together.
I was so bewildered by his lies and behavior after I left that I began searching the internet and stumbled upon this blog. Reading the many entries made me realize that I had been involved with a P. All the little red flags added up and I’m coming to terms with the truth. This site has expedited my healing and I thank everyone involved for that!
Now my conscience is wondering if I should continue to warn other women about him? He changed his password but I have once again figured it out. The woman I contacted before was glad I did. I don’t plan to meet any of these women going forward, but just send them a note of concern under cover to let them know what to watch for if they decide to date him. I know I can’t do this forever since he could change his password again or switch dating sites, and I need to move on with my life as well. The advice I’ve read here says I should just walk away since I have no financial, legal, or career ties to him. Several women are currently corresponding with him. Since he’s independently wealthy, handsome, and charming, they’ll be hooked soon enough. Should I just let it go or contact these women knowing I’ll save a few of them from the pain he’ll surely inflict?
Should she try to warn the next victim, or shouldn’t she? This has been the topic of much debate here on Lovefraud. I wrote about this topic in a blog post back in 2007. But it’s an important issue, so let’s discuss it again.
Factors to consider
If you’re considering warning others about the sociopath, here are factors to consider:
1. Can you warn someone safely?
The first thing to consider, of course, is your physical safety. If the sociopath you were involved with has a history of violence, even if the violence was never directed towards you, I would urge caution.
But safety involves more than worries about violence. Consider also your legal and financial status. If you are in the midst of a divorce or custody battle with your ex, you do not want to do anything that will jeopardize your case, your job, or anything else that he may be able to damage through accusations.
No matter how badly you may feel for the next target, you must put yourself first.
2. What is your emotional state?
Relationships with sociopaths inflict emotional and psychological damage on us. The best way to recover from the damage is to have no contact with the sociopath.
Tracking a sociopath’s actions is sometimes gratifying, however, because we feel like we’re no longer being conned. We see through the mask. We know what he or she is up to. In a way, it’s a boost to our trampled self-esteem to be on to the con. And yes, we probably have to admit to wanting a taste of revenge by ruining the sociopath’s game.
But even if we’re not talking to the sociopath, or sending e-mail, we have to remember that keeping tabs, and warning others, is a form of contact. As we say here on Lovefraud, the predator is still renting space in our brains.
So, before you do it, think about where you are in your recovery. Can you do this and continue to heal?
3. Will the victim’s reaction affect you?
We know how good the sociopaths are, because we were hooked. Think of how the sociopath described his or her prior involvements to you. Did he say his ex-wives were mentally disturbed? Did she say her ex-husband was a stalker? Well, that’s what is now being said about you.
The sociopath is already running a smear campaign to discredit anything that you may say. At the same time, the sociopath is love bombing the new victim. He or she is primed to disbelieve you.
If the new victim blows you off, can you just walk away?
My view
In my personal opinion, if you can warn the next victim without jeopardizing your own safety and recovery, I think you should at least try.
I’ve heard of cases where the victim was grateful for the warning and got out. I’ve heard of cases where the next victim has refused to listen and stayed with the sociopath. And I’ve heard of cases where the victim stayed for awhile, then started to see the bad behavior, remembered the warning, and got out.
I know that since I’ve posted the information about my ex-husband, James Montgomery, online, at least seven women have contacted me to thank me for the warning. They Googled his name, found Lovefraud, and dumped him. I don’t know how many may have dumped him without telling me. This makes me feel good.
However, James Montgomery is on the other side of the world. I’ve had a chance to recover and move on. He can’t damage me.
So if you feel like you need to warn others, remember this: Your first obligation is to yourself. Do what you must do for your own recovery. If you can assist others without hurting yourself, that is icing on the cake.
Learn more: Beyond Betrayal – How to recover from the trauma
Lovefraud originally posted this story on Sept. 27, 2010.
Thanks guys, and yes it gets better, but i still am attracting the nutbars and im well aware of it so i need to do something different and i know one area where i need help is with assertiveness skills. They don’t offer any courses like they used to in my area. Im very aware of how i draw in these types that are needy as im too open and outgoing and i know i need to change and i lack boundaries, it’s just hard as i don’t want to hurt anyones feelings but im getting walked on and i have to make the changes. I got caught up in trying to help too many others in the same boat as me with these types and it’s not my job , it’s just when you see others in distress and you recognize the problem you want them to be aware but im realizing the merry go round and how it’s all because we all have toxic people in our lives, it’s just now im aware . I know the best thing for me is to find a job and get busy with healthy things but it’s been hard to focus with all the crap with the estate etc. but im going to hit the pavement next week looking for work. I’ve gotten away from my meetings as well and im kind of conflicted as i know i need them , it’s just it’s such a hotspot for the sick that i know i need to be very wary when i go. My walls with men are so high im afraid i may be alone forever as i won’t let anyone close , just not worth it but i sometimes wonder if im cheating myself out of having a relationship. For now to be honest im fine alone, just get a little bummed with the things like the house, car etc. but it’s not worth having men help anymore. I know im better off to just pay someone to help with these things. love kindheart
kindheart, it is so good to hear from you, I have thought of you many times over the past few months, it sounds like you are doing so much better, you sound a lot stronger, I admire the progress you’ve made! I agree with Oxy, we all have our ups and downs, so hang in there, I’m right there with ya, sort of going through some of my own ups and downs. God Bless.
Hi Kindheart, we must have been typing at the same time!
I’ve got the same walls built up around me.
I am glad you are ok being alone right now,
I am working on that, I don’t like it!!!!
Dear Kindheart & Chic,
I think the problem I had and maybe it is like yours (and I still have to GUARD MYSELF) I wanted to “help” others, but what happened was
It was like I was drowning, and there were others around me ALSO drowning, and I couldn’t save myself, could barely keep my own nose above water, and I TRIED TO SAVE THEM…WHILE THEY CLAWED TO CLIMB ON TOP OF MY SINKING BODY!
My husband was a life guard instructor so he knew what to do in a drowning situation. In a plane crashed into the water, he went back to save a guy trapped in the plane, but the man kept grasping at him. My husband went back to the top and waited for the bubbles to stop coming up, then went back down and got the man out and saved him.
We CAN NOT save others when a) we are sinking ourselves or b) when they are trying to pull us under with them!
It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to save ourselves….it is their responsibility to save themselves or, IF WE CAN SAFELY DO SO when we are safe to throw them a ROPE, but going down WITH THEM is not an option.
Plus, when you pull someone to shore and the JUMP BACK IN, turn and walk away.
I can’t remember who here on LF said it but I remember most of the comment.
“If you throw yourself in front of the bus to save your P, and you realize the P is DRIVING THE BUS, you need to stop it.”
The first time I read that I thought HOW TRUE!!!!! WOW!!!
We have to take responsibility for ourselves and we can’t save those that keep on jumping back into the waters of hell, and I sure don’t want to go there with them.
Like my husband said (and did) it is of no benefit to try to save someone and let them drown you as well.
NC is self protection! Being “with someone” who is trying to drown you is not as good as being healthy and alive even if you are by yourself, at least you are in GOOD, HEALTHY COMPANY!
well, it’s time to go to the garden. given i don’t care for potted plants.
I am a ROCK!! A ROCK STAR! 😀
UKan, i have been off this site for over a year now and if it wasn’t for this site and Ox and the others i would not be aware and strong like i am now. What part about them using our strengths and goodness , loyalty , forgiveness, acceptance against us do you not understand. I’ve been told in AA that you go to give back what you have received in order to keep it, that’s how you help others and remind yourself how lucky you are. We are all at different points on our journeys and yes i’ve questioned whether i was obsessing on this site about the loser but it’s the knowledge and constant reminder of what i was dealing with like the meetings to keep me from going into denial. There are different perspectives to consider when you make a statement like you have. If you feel that way for yourself then fine, don’t post and forget about helping others , just don’t condemn those who choose differently. love kindheart
hi shabby!
A toast too the pathetic emotional weakling gang – cheers cheers — been in my garden all day – seems the best place for me too be, anybody want some lillies?
– asian or tiger?