Editor’s Note: The following was posted as a comment by the Lovefraud reader, NewLife43. I thought everyone should see it.
I had a small epiphany today while driving back from the grocery store. What, exactly, did the spath give me that I find so difficult to let go? I have been married twice before and when those marriages were over, I was sad and wished that they hadn’t ended the way that they had. But neither one of them was like this 8 year relationship! I was still the same person, what was so different this time? Why couldn’t I release it and move on with my life?
Neither one of my ex-husbands were like the spath. In fact, NO ONE had ever made me feel like he did. And by that I mean, no one had ever made me as physically sick, scared, confused, bewildered, ashamed, lost, financially devastated”¦well, you get the picture. Most of us on here have been decimated, humiliated and degraded by this sub-human species. What is wrong with us that we cannot LET THEM GO? We shouldn’t just be glad to kiss them good-bye, we should be kicking them goodbye! And instead, many of us would take them back in a heartbeat.
Why? Because they gave us something we so deeply needed, that the world ended the same time that the relationship did. I don’t know what everyone else received from their spath, but I do know what I got from mine. He made me feel loved and accepted in a way I had never been before. He made me feel beautiful on my worst days. He shrugged off my bad moods and laughed me out of them. He ignored any insults I hurled his way and didn’t hold them against me. I could be my most terrible self and he still called me “His Queen”. Since he couldn’t possibly make a mistake in his choice of romantic partner (in his mind, anyway) I was the perfect woman for him. In a way, he did create the world we lived in and so much of it was wonderful, fun, interesting and never, never boring. But. The price I paid was tremendous and I will have to pay it for a while yet. I know that this relationship, this world of his, wasn’t ever real, but you know, it sure felt real. More real than anything I had ever experienced in my life. Those are pretty special feelings and he doesn’t them own, unless I let him.
My spath must have said “I don’t care” at least a thousand times over the course of our time together. And he meant it. What would bother a normal person, he was able to simply shrug off. It was a lesson to me to lighten up my very serious view of the world. Sometimes, things really don’t matter. (Another of his sayings). When I would get upset because something had broken and I would now have to spend the money to replace it, he said, “Things break, they wear out. Why are you getting so upset?” So I would stop and reevaluate what was important. I appreciated that viewpoint and still remember to tell myself that when yet again, something breaks.
I loved his sense of fun, it was so child-like. And although his version of fun would wear thin sometimes when it was inappropriate conduct, I tolerated it because I was thrilled by it. He really lived like somebody left the gate open! I couldn’t have been less like him if I had tried and his way of approaching life helped swing me more to the middle of the road than constantly riding the bumpy shoulder. How sad, for him, for us, that he had no idea when to stop pushing the envelope. Not realizing that what he was doing was hurting so many people. And it caused so much legal trouble in his life. How I wish that he could have kept that sense of joie de vivre without spinning out of control. Sigh! And one day, he didn’t care and I didn’t matter. My heart was broken.
I loved him very much. I still do. But the point is, I have the capacity to love someone and he doesn’t. He never will. Good for me! That means even if I don’t quite know how yet, I will be able to move on. It’s so very, very hard.
So what did he give me? He gave me complete acceptance and what I believed was love, in a way no one had before. And I had an opportunity to explode with genuine love for another person. He made me feel beautiful, no matter what and I am grateful for that.
And even if it was all an illusion, who here wouldn’t go back just for a day when we were first being love-bombed by our spath? Unfortunately, we can’t go back. The good news is, we can find a way to give deep love and acceptance to ourselves! This IS good news!
The spath uncovered our deepest needs and showed us how we can feel about ourselves, through their eyes. Who says we can’t feel that way again? Now this is my goal which I will reach for every single day for the rest of my life. And I have him to thank for that. I didn’t know before I met him that I could be wholly acceptable in someone’s eyes. Only now it’s my eyes. I can love-bomb myself.
If you are old enough, you may remember the poem, “Desiderata”. The best line was: “For all its pain, drudgery and broken dreams, it’s still a beautiful world. Strive to be happy”. Because if I give happiness to myself, then no one can ever take it away from me again. And it can’t be that hard to help myself feel that way again. If the spath can do it, then ANYONE can! What I finally understood is that it’s not him I miss or want back (he comes packaged with too much pain), it’s those amazing feelings. You know they’re already in you. He (or she) doesn’t have a copyright on them. Go get them, everyone!
Donna, this post struck a bit of a cord with me this morning. On one hand, I am totally with you. The feeling I had when I was with him (at first) was like no other feeling. I completely lost myself in him and it was almost like an obsession.
That being said, I wouldn’t take him back if my life depended on it. Now that I know what he is, it makes me sick to think about what he did to me and to my family. I wish I could look back on my time with him as fond memories, but all of those feeling I had now just make me mad. I never want to be loved like that again because its not real love. I hate that I was in an emotionally one sided relationship. I feel like I was played for a fool.
When I was on the stand, his lawyer asked me if I had been in love with him. I responded by saying, “I was madly in love with a man who doesn’t exist. That man sitting next to you is not the man I loved – he is souless and occupying the body of a man he conned me into loving.”
So no, I wouldn’t return to the way I felt for anything in the world. I was sleeping next to a serial killer for an entire year. That thought scares the hell out of me. It colors my memories and still makes me feel like a fool for ever believing I was loved.
cappuccinoqueen,
I totally understand. Reading the above post did stir some memories of how he made me feel in the beginning, especially when we first started dating. He’d shrug at things when people were for example acting vicious or envious to me. He’d give me a hug and said, “Just ignore them.” And that felt really good. I thought I was with this incredibly sweet man who truly liked me AND wanted to commit to me. Nor did I have to wonder whether he was into me or not, because he obviously was.
But no, I would not want to exchange anything anymore to be with him ever again, nor to feel like that because of him anymore. It went stark crazy pretty soon. And I was pretty much more adventurous and enjoying stuff before and after on my own than with him.
Yes he made me laugh quite often. But he made me cry and upset and angry a lot as while. It wasn’t until after it was over and I went out with friends again that I re-discovered my own natural carefree laughter and enjoyment. With him laughter and enjoyment became dependent of him, and solely him. Without him it all became independent of him once again, and I laughed and enjoyed the world around me once again. To me it’s like even those good, fun moments with him were some kind of prison that excluded me from enjoying other people, friends, nature and events. The funs stuff and enjoyment I experienced after him and still experience with and by other people is all inclusive, instead of exclusive.
BTW the not making a fuss when we expect it is the abuse trap. This is exactly what abusers do with their victims… They abuse us when we feel we don’t deserve any of it, and when we actually feel we did do something wrong and deserve them being upset, that’s when they will shrug it off and make us feel they’re not holding it against us… The withholding of expected punishment (from a minor discussion, accusations, a foul mood, walking out on us, etc) we register as a reward. But it’s not a reward, just withholding punishment.
When I met him I haven’t been in love for almost 10 years. I was coming out of a relationship with a man that truly loved me but there was no passion between us, and I was so much missing the feeling of being in love!
Then I met that wonderful man. He made me feel alive again, he made me feel passionate, beautiful and acceptable for who I was, he made me feel valuable and worthy.The sex was wonderful too, I was his soulmate, he promised that he would love me forever, I was the woman of his dreams, we would have a family together, he would always be there for me…
It was all a lie. My feelings were real but everything else was a lie. The man that I loved had never existed. It was just an illusion. Everything that he said, everything that he did, it was all a malicious game to get me hooked and make it more hurtful in the end. I don’t want to get back in time to feel those feelings, not even for a day. I had deleted all the good moments that we had from my memory the day that I realized that it meant nothing to him. The only reason that I wish I could turn back the time is so I could change everything, then I could run away from the first warning sign and never get hooked by the sociopath.
I agree that we made those feelings to happen. I’m not sure if we could feel that way again with anyone else though. You see, the feelings that the sociopath made us feel had nothing to do with love from their side and I think that a “normal” guy would be more cautious about expressing their feelings to us. If we think about our past relationships we would see that a normal relationship goes slowly and it’s not that intense and passionate as the relationship with the spath…
P.s Darwinsmom, That’s exactly what the spath always did. He made me feel like I did something wrong when I did nothing wrong at all. Then when i finally tricked myself to believe that I did something wrong he said that he forgave me and didn’t hold it against me.
It’s interesting that we all seem to have had similar experiences with the person “brushing off” our feelings. I used to hate it, actually, when I would come home and want to vent and he would make it seem like whatever had upset me wasn’t a big deal. In fact, he used to always want to turn whatever I was upset about into a “well at least you aren’t as unlucky as me” or something about him. He used to go into rages when I didn’t just allow him to trivialize my feelings.
I guess my personality may not have been a good match for this. For me, I think the supreme reason I got hung up with him is that I was rebounding from a relationship where I had been in love with the man and he basically chose his career over being with me.
The spath came along and love bombed me and made it seem like he wanted the same thing I wanted – a life partner and a happy family. In reality, he wanted to have someone living with him whom he could abuse sexually, financially, and emotionally. period.
After I was pregnant, the affection showering was OVER in a big way. He knew how important family was to me and how much stake I put in staying with the father of my child. So even when things hit the fan and he became verbally abusive and started expecting me to financial support his lifestyle while he stayed at home and played video games all day – I stayed.
Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately) I didn’t get years of that false reality that felt so nice. I got about 6 months and then I felt like I was in prison on an emotional roller coaster of badness.
I thank God every day that I don’t long to be with him ever again. The biggest gift (other than my son) that I got from that relationship is that I was able to see who he really was before he was able to kill me. What he did was so terrible that I was able to walk away and NEVER look back. Not for one second. That man deserves to be UNDER the jail and hopefully someday he will be. Sorry….I am still reeling. lol
Ms_Snowwhite, you said, “I had deleted all the good moments that we had from my memory the day that I realized that it meant nothing to him.”
Exactly the same thing I did. I refused to let one good memory get my mind’s attention. I would think of other good memories in my life without the spath instead.
This article, for the first time in over a year, triggered some of those burried good memories, but I can see it exactly for what it was. My feelings during those events at the time and are bonded to those memories did not reflect the reality of the situation, and they have an imprisonment feel too (in the way I described above). There’s no way I would ever want to go back to those moments.
I do like the article though… I agree with the ending. I have learned to forgive myself much more and do not expect perfection anymore from myself. I give myself now what I thought I got from him.
Hi everyone, I have a suggestion, perhaps it’s been suggested before, I don’t know but Donna if you’re reading this, I hope you can figure out a way to make it happen! I think it would be so cool if we all had a chance to meet up somewhere at some point.
I’ve been reading everyone’s comments on the article below and it hit me that usually on LoveFraud the comments are just as informative and well-spoken as the articles. This is the ONLY website I’ve ever found that is like this. I know a lot of us don’t have the resources or couldn’t go to a meeting like this due to repercussions or whatever from the spath but for those of us who could go, I think it would be a really great experience.
I’ve never seen so many intelligent, interesting people on any website as I do on this site. It is VERY obvious that sociopaths target a specific type of person. I know for me personally, I would need at least 3 months notice to make arrangements and save up money for a plane ticket but I would love to meet some of you guys and I know we would have a great time and likely make life-long friends. Just a thought…
This is the article I was reading this morning but it could really be any article, the comments are always so intriguing and insightful! As are the articles, of course.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2012/08/01/lessons-from-my-child-custody-war-with-a-sociopath/
I think in this post, NewLife43 captured the complexity of these involvements. The fact of the matter is, the sociopaths charmed and showered us with what appeared to be love in the beginning, or even throughout, the relationships. That is why we fell for them in the first place! It’s only afterwards, when we realize that the words of love and affection were all lies, spoken only to hook us and then continue to manipulate us, that we are revolted by what they did.
Personally, I would not take my ex back either. But, as much as I hate to give my ex credit for anything, I did learn from him. And as awful as the experience was, the very pain of it shattered the walls that I’d built around my heart, and enabled me to break free of my self-imposed emotional prison. I was cracked open, and this allowed my to be open to the true love that I found with my new husband, Terry.
I hope this post finds all of you well and doing wonderfully.
I don’t get around the computer much anymore. It caught a bad virus from somewhere and completely crashed, erasing my entire operating system. I am in the process of rebuilding it and well, after the experience “I” just came through, the past, almost 11 years, it’s kind of nice being so distant from the world now.
I just passed the fourth month of complete NC, for the sixth and final time, and I also have changed my telephone number, even though it was being used for a longstanding business number. I have only given it to the essential people around me and well, even though “I” have been COMPLETELY NC with this demon for four months now, it had continued to stalk and harass me up until just a day or so ago, which finally prompted me to change it. I am taking a HUGE and DEEP vacation from everything and I simply MUST share with you that I have been sitting here, wondering of something I could do to make a little money and to also occupy my time. When I started thinking of ‘jobs’ I wouldn’t mind doing, I quickly honed in on something that I feel would not just be a ‘job’ but also an experience of a lifetime…
I am going to work with migrant workers, this harvest, picking grapes. How amazing is that? Up in the desert mountain valleys where that sweet wine comes from. I can’t think of a BETTER PLACE to spend some time, somewhere “I” want to be. There has to be like HUNDREDS of wineries about me and the thought just gives me PEACE somehow. I can’t think of a better place to be, actually, if a person has to ‘work’, ‘work’, doing something you ENJOY.
This is what MY ‘healing’ path has come to.
Minus the ppath that was dominating and trying to control my entire life. Since it couldn’t control me and my life, it tried to harm me and/or take my life from me. You must be very careful how you ‘rebuke’ satan. It triple folds the vengeance factor inside their small, narcissistic minds.
AHHHHH: NO telephone intrusions. Not since yesterday morning.
And, I simply MUST also share, that while I was having my morning coffee on the balcony, one of our finest was spotted sitting on his motorcycle, right in front of my apartment, just hanging out, checking speeders, but somehow, they always make me feel so secure. I am so very blessed to be finding my way out of this ugly nightmare. I am ‘healing’. And, I am emerging, being the kind of person Donna, herself, and all of you other wonderful posters, have become.
You guys helped me ‘keep it together’ and not give up the ‘fight’.
I will be eternally grateful to every one of you for the little fibers you have each added to my life.
So, I haven’t been in a real hurry putting my computer back together but trying to find “LIFE” to bury myself in and I shall tolerate no further intrusions from “IT” and “ITS” Merry Band of Minions.
I could end up being “ITS” 3rd Strike, which would violate his probation and he could go to prison. For a very long time. People urge me, often, telling me I need to bring charges. That isn’t what I want. I want to be left alone now, without the drama in my life. If I wanted ‘revenge’ and/or ‘vengeance’, I could have it in droves, but that is not my intent or desire. It never has been. I JUST WANT IT TO GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME LIVE MY LIFE.
(Caps used for emphasis.)
I am doing ‘well’ these days.
Fatigued and weak all the time but that is one of the symptoms of congestive heart failure. I asked for a prognosis and was finally given a ‘haphazard’ one of ‘good’. So, sometimes we just have to hang onto ourselves and sometimes the CHOICES we make aren’t easy ones. Sometimes we must go against what our hearts tell us and make the decisions that actually breaks them. But above all, we know, inside, who we are. We know who we are. We need NOBODYS validation for that. Only our own.
I am doing well; I am safe; it’s now, FINALLY, TRULY ‘quiet’ about me. And if it couldn’t get ANY BETTER: I have a counseling appointment this afternoon that I am so looking forward to this week.
Blessings to you all.
You are in my thoughts and best of hopes and prayers…
I am healing and I never thought I ever would.
Don’t give up THE HOPE that lives in your heart.
Dupey