Editor’s Note: The following was posted as a comment by the Lovefraud reader, NewLife43. I thought everyone should see it.
I had a small epiphany today while driving back from the grocery store. What, exactly, did the spath give me that I find so difficult to let go? I have been married twice before and when those marriages were over, I was sad and wished that they hadn’t ended the way that they had. But neither one of them was like this 8 year relationship! I was still the same person, what was so different this time? Why couldn’t I release it and move on with my life?
Neither one of my ex-husbands were like the spath. In fact, NO ONE had ever made me feel like he did. And by that I mean, no one had ever made me as physically sick, scared, confused, bewildered, ashamed, lost, financially devastated”¦well, you get the picture. Most of us on here have been decimated, humiliated and degraded by this sub-human species. What is wrong with us that we cannot LET THEM GO? We shouldn’t just be glad to kiss them good-bye, we should be kicking them goodbye! And instead, many of us would take them back in a heartbeat.
Why? Because they gave us something we so deeply needed, that the world ended the same time that the relationship did. I don’t know what everyone else received from their spath, but I do know what I got from mine. He made me feel loved and accepted in a way I had never been before. He made me feel beautiful on my worst days. He shrugged off my bad moods and laughed me out of them. He ignored any insults I hurled his way and didn’t hold them against me. I could be my most terrible self and he still called me “His Queen”. Since he couldn’t possibly make a mistake in his choice of romantic partner (in his mind, anyway) I was the perfect woman for him. In a way, he did create the world we lived in and so much of it was wonderful, fun, interesting and never, never boring. But. The price I paid was tremendous and I will have to pay it for a while yet. I know that this relationship, this world of his, wasn’t ever real, but you know, it sure felt real. More real than anything I had ever experienced in my life. Those are pretty special feelings and he doesn’t them own, unless I let him.
My spath must have said “I don’t care” at least a thousand times over the course of our time together. And he meant it. What would bother a normal person, he was able to simply shrug off. It was a lesson to me to lighten up my very serious view of the world. Sometimes, things really don’t matter. (Another of his sayings). When I would get upset because something had broken and I would now have to spend the money to replace it, he said, “Things break, they wear out. Why are you getting so upset?” So I would stop and reevaluate what was important. I appreciated that viewpoint and still remember to tell myself that when yet again, something breaks.
I loved his sense of fun, it was so child-like. And although his version of fun would wear thin sometimes when it was inappropriate conduct, I tolerated it because I was thrilled by it. He really lived like somebody left the gate open! I couldn’t have been less like him if I had tried and his way of approaching life helped swing me more to the middle of the road than constantly riding the bumpy shoulder. How sad, for him, for us, that he had no idea when to stop pushing the envelope. Not realizing that what he was doing was hurting so many people. And it caused so much legal trouble in his life. How I wish that he could have kept that sense of joie de vivre without spinning out of control. Sigh! And one day, he didn’t care and I didn’t matter. My heart was broken.
I loved him very much. I still do. But the point is, I have the capacity to love someone and he doesn’t. He never will. Good for me! That means even if I don’t quite know how yet, I will be able to move on. It’s so very, very hard.
So what did he give me? He gave me complete acceptance and what I believed was love, in a way no one had before. And I had an opportunity to explode with genuine love for another person. He made me feel beautiful, no matter what and I am grateful for that.
And even if it was all an illusion, who here wouldn’t go back just for a day when we were first being love-bombed by our spath? Unfortunately, we can’t go back. The good news is, we can find a way to give deep love and acceptance to ourselves! This IS good news!
The spath uncovered our deepest needs and showed us how we can feel about ourselves, through their eyes. Who says we can’t feel that way again? Now this is my goal which I will reach for every single day for the rest of my life. And I have him to thank for that. I didn’t know before I met him that I could be wholly acceptable in someone’s eyes. Only now it’s my eyes. I can love-bomb myself.
If you are old enough, you may remember the poem, “Desiderata”. The best line was: “For all its pain, drudgery and broken dreams, it’s still a beautiful world. Strive to be happy”. Because if I give happiness to myself, then no one can ever take it away from me again. And it can’t be that hard to help myself feel that way again. If the spath can do it, then ANYONE can! What I finally understood is that it’s not him I miss or want back (he comes packaged with too much pain), it’s those amazing feelings. You know they’re already in you. He (or she) doesn’t have a copyright on them. Go get them, everyone!
(((spoon)))
You leave me speechless again today.
Smile some smiles for me today, okay?
xxxxxxoooooo
darwinsmom: I had written you a great response and it was eaten
by the cyber Gods, so here I go again:
THANK YOU for putting my feet on the ground this morning.
You have helped me realize what has been going on with me.
It was starting to get a little disorienting.
It was like falling over the edge of a cliff.
It was all coming so fast.
The flood gates opened the minute I changed my phone number.
Then I had ABSOLUTE space and time to think and sort and consider.
Coming out of this has been very difficult.
I am so amazed, still, how a ‘disordered person’ can totally
devastate another persons life. The wonderful part of all this
is that when he pushed me from the cliff, I sprung wings and
flew right back up to “IT” and landed on “IT’s” shoulder. lol
The shock is still there. But it’s being tempered with realities.
I have had to not only come through a massive heart attack
that has almost taken my life from me, through all this; I have
also had this GARBAGE to sort through. It’s been phenomenal.
A DEBACLE OF ALL DEBACLES.
(((darwinsmom))) hope you are well and doing alright.
Thank you for putting my feet on the ground this morning.
Dupey
xxoo
It is NOT necessary to ‘forgive’ them to move on.
I do not ‘forgive’ mine and never will.
I believe some things in this lifetime are NOT
forgivable.
I RESOLVE.
Resolve and move on.
I am ENTITLED to non forgiveness.
Perhaps some day I shall become that ‘perfect individual’
that finds ‘forgiveness’ for the ugliness. Probably I won’t.
I can live with that. It isn’t eating me up. I don’t HAVE
to forgive to heal. But I CAN ‘resolve’ and ‘absolve’ to
cut the chaos, drama and perpetual nightmare.
Dupey
Always!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 😉
XXOO
Sunflower
Here is a better post on the Technique I use to strip the emotions and to disassociate the memory.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2012/08/30/what-did-the-sociopath-give-me-and-why-is-it-so-hard-to-let-it-go/comment-page-1/#comment-168977
Dupey
Why a spath does what a spath does. These lines from Tombstone (1993) comes to mind.
Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein’ born.
T
spoon: xxoo
Funny you should quote Tombstone on this anniversary date. VERY appropriate and almost ‘karmic’.
The quotes are dead on too.
That is the basis of the hate and revenge:
Being born.
Such ugly beings.
Dupey
Dupey
Don’t know about the timing just something that I’ve meant to post for a long time. It was one of those lines in a movie that summed up a lot of stuff.
Sad for them to be that way. But still not a good enough excuse for the damage they do.
Link goes to a picture of a sign. “On the other side of fear is Freedom”
http://3.cdn.tapcdn.com/images/thumbs/taps/2012/09/a-little-inspiration-goes-a-long-way-27-photos-thechive-38-5e58ea3e-sz500x754-animate.jpg
XXOO
spoon
“What did the sociopath give me and why is it so hard to let it go?”
Major William E Mayer, [later the US Army’s chief psychiatrist], studied 1,000 prisoners of war held in one North Korean.camp. What peeked Major Mayer’s interest was how the prisoners were treated in respect to the other camps. In all the other camps the norm was to starve and physically and emotionally torture the prisoners. But in this one camp there was food and no physical or the normal emotional abuse. There were no armed guards surrounding the camp. With no walls or barbed wire. But no one ever tried to escape the prison. And the death rate was highest of any US POW prisons in history.
The other things that happened is the soldiers turned against each other. They even sided with the North Koreans.About half of those that died did so for no particular cause. They had simply given up.
Where DR. Vicktor Frankl chose to respond the prisoners here failed too.
The camp was used for research by the North Koreans and what Major Mayer learned from his study is that this effect on the prisoners was done by using
four simple tactics:
1) Encouraging prisoners to inform on their comrades;
2) Forcing them to criticize themselves;
3) Having them deny loyalty to their country of birth;
4) Withholding positive emotional support.
These tactics caused a breakdown in the normal response from the prisoners. In most camps the soldiers would come together and support one another that helped them to survive. But because of these 4 tactics the soldiers lost their way.
Now put those 4 tactics against this
Stockholm Syndrome
Positive feelings by the victim toward the abuser/controller
Negative feelings by the victim toward family, friends, or authorities trying to rescue/support them or win their release
Support of the abuser’s reasons and behaviors
Positive feelings by the abuser toward the victim
Supportive behaviors by the victim, at times helping the abuser
Inability to engage in behaviors that may assist in their release or detachment
Here is a link to the transcript of a speech by Major Mayer. Brainwashing: The Ultimate Weapon. Major William E. Mayer – U.S. Army. October 4, 1956
http://www.usa-anti-communist.net/takeover_misc/Transcript-Brainwashing_The_Ultimate_Weapon_(1956)_Major_William_E_Mayer.pdf
Thaks for posting this link, spoon. Very interesting article.
I tried to copy a paragraph in it and put it here but for some reason the computer wouldn’t let me…but basically it said “YOU CAN’T COMPROMISE WIT EVIL” and that is so true.
Just as “brainwashing” by a cult, or a political system, or a sham or fake religion or a psychopath tries to get us to compromise our moral compass…the breaking down of what we know is right and wrong becomes easier each time.
“I know I’m married, but my wife doesn’t understand me like you do.” FAIL
“I’m sorry I hit you, Ill never do it again, give me another chance This time I mean it.” FAIL
or any other break in our own moral compass gives them the opening to push through into our souls.
Thanks for posting this link.
spoon: thanks.
‘brainwashing’ is it too.
it takes a while to see it, completely,
in all it’s ‘evilness’ but eventually you
do come to see it.
In the end, it becomes that same old
battle and choice between good and evil.
We all have that choice to make in this lifetime.
STRONG is breaking free from the hold irregardless of
the threats and the ugliness; irregardless of what our
hearts are telling us.
Sometimes, in this life, we have to make hard choices.
And you are right, Ox:
“…or any other break in our own moral compass gives
them the opening to push through into our souls.”
Absolutely.
Dupey
Here you go OX
Page 12
It’s spoken in the language of the
military. It says: If I’m captured by an enemy I will
accept no favors and I will not give in my parole. Which
means, my promise, of course, to be a good boy if he
makes me a trustee. But you know, this is a principle
you’ve tried to teach to your children. It’s a principle in
every basic religion on earth. It’s a very simple, moral,
but also very practical principle which, put into other
terms, reduces itself to:
YOU CANNOT COMPROMISE WITH EVIL, YOU CAN’T MAKE A DEAL WITH YOUR ENEMY. YOU JUST CAN’T DO IT. ANY DEAL HE MAKES WITH YOU WHEN HE’S IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT IS GOING TO BE FOR HIS BENEFIT AND NOT FOR
YOURS. AND IF YOU HAVE PRINCIPLES OR A VALUE SYSTEM, YOU CANNOT COMPROMISE WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE WRONG.
But enough people thought they could make a deal that
this principle now has to be in the Code of Conduct.
Now they gave all kinds of excuses. I know a Colonel
who said to me, I ingratiated myself with the enemy and
did what they wanted because I felt that by doing so I
could get on their good side and then exercise a
beneficial influence in behalf of the other prisoners.
Well, I have no way to know ”“ we psychiatrists have no
special access to ultimate truth ”“ I don’t know whether
this is just an excuse or whether he now believes it or
whether this is why he undertook to collaborate with the
enemy. But I do know it didn’t work. It didn’t work for
anybody. IT NEVER HAS.