Lovefraud recently received the letter below from a reader; we’ll call her Andrea.
I was married to a sociopath for 12 years (didn’t know it until we divorced). He had 3 affairs and was a minister for a majority of that time. He messed up a lot of lives. Anyway, I am at my wits end right now because I cannot get him out of my life because we had 2 children. I am so tired of dealing with him. My kids are 12 and 10 now and my ex is doing everything in his power to try and convince my son to go live with him when he’s 14. I see it happening and there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I keep notes about everything that happens, but my lawyer tells me that it would be a very hard case if my son wants to go.
I’m also struggling right now because I have something my ex wants. I have some documents from when we were married and owned a business. He needs some proof that another couple we were in business with is not responsible for a loan we had. My ex got the loan in the divorce. I believe he’s trying to bankrupt his business. Anyway, I’m refusing to give him the documents because I am so tired of being bullied by him and lied to. I know this was a stupid thing to do because now he’s furious and is attacking me through emails and bashing me to the kids. But, it seems so unfair that I have to give in to him ALL THE TIME to keep the peace. I am tired of it. He has something I want and I’m holding the documents as a bargaining tool. Do you think this will work with a sociopath? Or am I just asking for it?
A relationship or any type of involvement with a sociopath leaves us with a big ball of turmoil. We discover that everything he or she has ever said to us was a lie, and we are outraged. We learn that we were played like a fool, and we are humiliated. We realize that our love and trust were abused, and we fear that we’ll never love and trust again.
While trying to deal with the emotional shock of the betrayal, we also have to deal with the practical issues of disengaging—divorce, finances, children. As we do this, especially if there are legal proceedings involved, we want to tell the world, or at least the judge, about the sociopath’s wrongdoing. We want to prove that we were honorable, and the sociopath was not. We want to be vindicated.
The sociopath does not experience this emotional turmoil. The sociopath’s only objective is to win. The definition of “winning,” of course, depends on what the sociopath wants. Maybe it’s keeping his or her possessions, such as children. Maybe it’s keeping his or her money by not having to pay child support. Maybe it’s destroying us.
Think strategically
Usually Lovefraud advises our readers to have no contact with sociopaths. Of course, this is not possible when someone, like Andrea, has to co-parent with a sociopath.
My advice to Andrea was to think strategically. There is no point withholding the documents just because she is tired of being bullied. What does she really want? What leverage does she have to get what she wants?
The documents she talks about are leverage. Therefore, Andrea should play this exactly as the sociopath would—using the documents to extract some kind of concession out of him. She needs to evaluate what that might be, and then use her leverage to get it.
However, whatever she demands needs to be something that the sociopath can deliver immediately, not at some time in the future. Sociopaths do not honor agreements, so there is no point in asking for something that will be delivered later, or over a long period of time. It will never happen.
What works?
For sociopaths, it’s all a game, a game that they want to win.
In my case, however, my sociopathic ex-husband, James Montgomery, just quit playing. In our divorce, he fired his attorney, signed papers to represent himself pro se, and then defaulted. He was on to his next scam, and had no use for me. I never interacted with him again.
So I actually don’t have experience in ongoing dealings with a sociopath. Therefore, I ask Lovefraud readers for your input. If you must continue to deal with a sociopath, what works?
Matt
YOU ARE BACK!!!!
Sorry you had a tough weekend with the folks.
When you are up for it, I want to run the lawyer’s new idea for you – not sure how secure his idea is.
We missed you!!!!!!
Awakening- until you get a lock on your car as matt suggested, cant you put a small string or something in the seat or anything that lets you know someone was inside your car that he wouldnt notice in the middle of the nite? I absolutely agree with advice to get restraining order. I was also scared he would kill me for it, but he continued to get braver with his antics, so I did it. The Protection order has done wonders to calm him down. I reasoned that the s.o.b would kill me if he took a notion to with or with out the order in place, so why not give the cops a paper trail to work with.
Best of luck to you….
thank you so much matt. i have written 3 responses and my stupid computer keeps deleting them. so i will keep it short in case this one deletes too agh!!!!!!
i totally agree and appreciate the info on the trust. it is almost a relief to just take that out of my head.
i have tried the police about the crimes and each state said i don’t have enough details.
amazing how they get away with so much. most people don’t even believe me.
i am so greatful to have found this site. thank you!!!
Awakening- how about putting some nails in the seat and a bear trap in the floor board? lol
hehe….. what do you guys think about this? one of the girls he has been hanging with is texting me like she wants to be my friend. do you think that she is for real or he is putting her up to it or what? seems weird to me.
just looked at my phone 17 texts from that girl. scared to read them.
Awakening- Harassment all the way! NO FRIEND texts 17 frikkin times!!! Save them, show them to the police. When your restraining order is filed, she may have to be included if this gets ugly. When order is in place, no one affliated with him (his friends and family) are suppose to contact you to discuss him. THinK-charles manson with his posse to do the unthinkable FOR him!!!!!
awakening- I am so worried about that girl text, You may think you can speak to this chick without giving up any info that he can use to hurt you,Truth is YOU dont KNOW WHAT THIS MANIAC may be trying to find out! AGAIN THINK- CHARLIE MANSON.
wow, up to 21 text now and i afraid to read them but so excited to have someone to tell who doesn’t judge me or roll there eyes in disgust. thank u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she started this one night when he was MIA. i figured he was laying there right next to her but i was so distraught, on the floor crying , that i text with her. i knew she was playing me and after a few i started texting him begging them to stop. she was accusing me of trying to control him and he was in my car “picking up pizza” like 4 hours before and wouldn’t answer the phone. i was in hell and naturally it was the night before i had a flight home to work in my stores. as usual i missed the flight and cried all night long.
here the whistling again. man this went on in my old house. at night i hear whistling and i think its him but i won’t call cops because they will think i am crazy.
i hope i am crazy because i just moved tuesday. please god don’t let him know where i live……….