You can sit with a sociopath and know he’s a sociopath, and sit with someone who perpetrates the behaviors of the sociopath, even as comfortably as the sociopath does, and yet know he’s not a sociopath. How? How can you know?
Is it something intuitive? I address this from a clinical perspective, not a personal or intimate one. But still, I find it somewhat interesting to feel, or recognize, this distinction, and maybe you’ll find it more relevant than I imagine.
Of course, the history says a lot. Whenever you are dealing with someone who is raising his kids with some real love, holding down a job, paying his bills, not abusing his spouse and maintaining a history (past and present) of friendships, these are indicators that whatever else he is up to, he is probably not a sociopath.
And so, strangely enough, in sitting with an individual who is perpetrating “dubious” behaviors, and is doing so perhaps even as a lifestyle versus, say, as a sudden, temporary departure from his normal self —strangely enough, in sitting with such a person, one sometimes gets the sense if this individual, in his essence, is “clean,” or “dirty?” Meaning, is his dubious behavior reflective of a corrupt essence, or does it somehow feel divorced from his essence?
Depending on the answer, one’s experience of the individual can be dramatically, significantly different and diagnostically very telling.
If this sounds simplistic, even untenable, I understand; and yet I’ve found it to be–for me, at least–a rather reliable experiential factor in ruling-out sociopathy.
I’ve worked with individuals who have done, or are doing, some pretty rotten, disturbing things, yet who clearly are not sociopaths, whereas I’ve also worked with individuals whose behavioral resumes may favorably compare to the former individuals’, yet who clearly are sociopathic.
Now what do I mean by “clean?” Of course, I don’t mean it in a physical sense. I mean that the individual transmits a certain authenticity, a certain genuineness that the sociopath doesn’t. He also possesses what I’d describe, very importantly, as a willingness and capacity to be known. Further, he possesses the capacity to really own his suspect actions: he does not deny them; is less likely than the sociopath to rationalize them; and is less likely to blame others for the liberties he takes with them.
He may, or may not, feel guilt for what he does that he knows is wrong from an ethical (if not legal) standpoint; and it’s often the case that if he doesn’t feel guilt he won’t pretend that he does; and yet, unlike the sociopath, he may feel genuinely uncomfortable with his lack of guilt.
He may say something like, “I know I should feel guilty about this, but I don’t. I really don’t. Sometimes I wonder, is there something wrong with me?” And he will say and mean this sincerely.
Conversely, there is something, as we know, very slippery about the sociopath—slippery in the way he discusses, or evades, responsibility for his behaviors. The sociopath’s emotional superficiality becomes evident in the office fairly soon; and, for that reason, one grows bored with him, soon.
If he doesn’t feign guilt or regret for his actions—that is, even if he admits to feeling no guilt, notably he is neither uncomfortable with, nor curious about, his lack of guilt. (In contrast, as I suggested, the guiltless non-sociopath tends to be somewhat more struck by, and curious about, his guiltlessness.)
The sociopath, I can’t stress enough, is not someone you can get to know. This is a subtle, very revealing experience. Something obstructs the process of getting to know him. First of all, he does not make himself knowable in a genuine sense. He is not engagable at a deep enough, and genuine enough level, to be “known.”
It is surely also true that something else, something perhaps more elemental, obstructs here: the sociopath is gapingly missing personal substance. And personal substance is required to be known.
There is emptiness there, which nothing can fill. At best the smoother sociopath can disguise this massive deficit with superficially entertaining, diverting qualities. But in the clinical setting, these disguises are less effective, their effect shorter-term.
He can’t hide for long the fact that he can’t make himself known; or that, at bottom, there is so little of him to know. If he weren’t so sociopathic, he’d feel ashamed of this, mortified.
Of course if he felt that shame, that mortification, he wouldn’t be a sociopath.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Dear Steve,
Your article is somewhat confusing (unlike most of your articles) and I am left wondering if this “feeling” you get is in a professional/clinical venue or in a more social venue?
I have read that about 25% of professionals will sort of have the “hair stand up on the back of their necks” (to use a phrase indicating emotional unrest or subconscious fear response) in the presence of a psychopath.
I wish I could say I got an inclination that there was something “off” in someone the first time or two I met them, but Generally I can’t say as I do. I generally now recognize a “love bomb” as something to make my “P-dar” go “ding dong” and other small indications that there might be a predator on the loose, but in general I don’t have such insight without observing several different behaviors.
Steve said: ‘He also possesses what I’d describe, very importantly, as a willingness and capacity to be known.’ And here i am thinking my dad is just a narcissist. Energetically ‘cloaked’ is the word others have used about him. eek.
Steve – It seems to me that you may be describing a criminal who is obviously doing bad things, but yet is not a sociopath.
The issue with sociopaths is that there is nothing inside – that’s why you can’t know them!
Steve,
I completely understand what you are saying. I’ve experienced the distinction – but I still say that they are BOTH sociopaths, with different levels of awareness about their sociopathy.
My exspath was of they type that you describe as unknowable. Unknowable because there is nothing there but pure evil. As remarkable and talented and charming as he is, he has the emotional depth of an infant – an angry, evil infant.
But there are other types of sociopaths. Slightly more complex because of their awareness, they are still predictable because the root of their compulsion to harm others is the same: envy and a feeling of needing to cheat because they have been cheated.
I’m learning that one can’t judge a sociopath by what traits they have, as much as what they don’t have: a moral compass, a sense of values beyond wealth and power, a sense of responsibility. This is because we are all capable of having evil impulses, especially when we feel we’ve been wronged. It’s the moral sensibilities which put the brakes on those behaviors. People lacking those brakes, have no limits and the sociopath is proud of having no limits.
That’s why they sometimes have a willingness and capacity to be known, they aren’t ashamed of what they are. The only reason they will hide it sometimes is because it benefits them in their con.
Maybe the 2nd type is more likely to be considered a malignant narcissist, like Sam Vaknin. But the distinction is just a matter of degree of evil.
I’ve reread this article and answered (in the re-reading) some of my own questions about it…but generated more questions in the process.
How can you tell, Steve, when an “apology” is genuine, how can you distinguish real remorse from fake remorse? While I get Hare’s “they know the words but not the music” part of distinguishing the real from the false, SOME OF THE TIME, some of them are quite good at using the RIGHT WORDS at the right time, especially if they are not under a great deal of stress. Bill Clinton is an excellent example of being able to twist reality and truth 99.999% of the time. He came by the name of “slick Willy” very honestly.
Donna, And Skylar, we all three posted over each other. LOL
As with everything in life, there is a spectrum. There is no clear black and white from where a narcissist ends and a sociopath begins. There are degrees to everthing. What this article sounds like is a slightly less volitale sociopath vs. a sociopath that is at the more evil end of the spectrum. They are both, most likely, sociopaths. Or perhaps one is a malignant narcissist while the other is a sociopath. At this point it is just semantics. They are both dangerous to the soul and one needs to be careful in dealiing with either.
I’m personally at a point where all the labels are only getting me more frustrated in understanding my experience. I seem to be the only one who sees my ex for what he is. So, is he a sociopath/narcissist if I am the only one to acknowledge it. If it is only my truth we are dealing with here, is it still relevant? At this stage of my healing, I don’t know. All I do know is that I am glad to be rid of him and fully on the path to healing.
My truth is really all I’m left with in the end. And that has to be enough. It just simply has to be.
Dear Sisterhood,
Welcome to LF, and yes, to VALIDATING YOUR TRUTH….and your truth IS VALID, even if only you validate it.
It took me a long time to realize that I could validate my own truth, and like Columbus who was the only man in the world at that time that thought the world was ROUND, it did NOT change the shape of the world that he was the ONLY man who believed that.
Truth is truth…even if you are the only one to believe it. So Towanda for you Sister!!!! YOUR TRUTH IS VALID. YOU ARE VALID. That’s all you need to know. Welcome to Love Fraud.
Thank you, Ox Drover.
I’m starting to spiritually understand it all now. What a difficult journey it has been, though. I’m tired right now. But I do know freedom from this pain is in me already. I just have to dig a little deeper for it to be fully realized.
Thanks, again.
I am not so sure about this opinion. My husband was immoral. It was not until he came to decision time that he crossed the line into sociopathy. That’s what I think about these type defined as immoral… they just haven’t crossed that line. B/c once they do, they WILL NOT (chose NOT) to pull back.
When I was a kid, I stole candy. Actually I stole a lot of candy. Why did I stop? Didn’t want to do it anymore. Made me feel bad. I WANTED to pull back. My conscience kicked in.
So I was IMMORAL, I crossed the line. THEN, while immoral, I chose to reverse myself. The difference is that once immorals cross the line, they don’t reverse.
I believe they are just unevolved spaths. Once they EVOLVE or cross that line… how many IMMORALS people of the caliber we were in relationship with do all of you think chose to reverse BACK??