It’s easy to get obsessed with, fixated on, “labels” and diagnostic categories like sociopath, psychopath, malignant narcissist, narcissist, etc. To be sure, labels and diagnoses can be important and informative.
In the case of “sociopathic” individuals, for instance, we know that there’s no changing them; we know that there’s no real hope for their redemption; and so, if you’ve correctly identified a sociopathic type, you can know that it’s pointless, self-destructive to invest another minute of your time in him. And this is a good thing to know.
But it’s also the case, I’d suggest, that an overfocus on labels and diagnoses can sometimes be a distraction, a form of avoidance, sometimes of obsession, and, in some cases, a habitually poor use of one’s time.
Does it really matter, as several LoveFraud readers have pointed out in various posts over the months, what precise label—accurate or not—you affix to an individual when he’s proven to be emotionally unavailable, or a compulsive liar, or an abusive personality, or a chronically selfish, self-centered partner, or a chronic, comfortable manipulator and deceiver?
Does it really matter, in the end, what you call this? It seems to me that what’s suitable to call this, and perhaps all that’s necessary, sometimes, to call this, is–This is a bad dude for me. This is the wrong dude for me.
Sometimes this is the diagnosis that ultimately matters: Wrong dude for me, or Right dude for me.
Whether he’s a narcissist, sociopath, or neither (in a fullblown sense); whether he’s got another personality disorder, or a hybrid of personality disorders, or whether, again, he fails to meet the full criteria for any personality disorder, sometimes this isn’t the main issue.
Often, what matters most is what it is that you require in a partner, and whether he has the goods to deliver it. And once you establish that he lacks what you require—say, sufficient integrity, emotional generosity, dependability, you name it—then, as I suggest, you’ve nailed the really, and sometimes only, relevant diagnosis—the he’s wrong for me! diagnosis.
I understand that a community of people who’ve suffered some of the common indignities inflicted by exploitive personalities can offer one another invaluable support, and I surely don’t mean to devalue the fantastic healing power of this communal process.
But it’s also important to remember, going forward, that we, each of us, needs to take a good, long look in the mirror and take charge of the kind of relationships that dignify us. I maintain that, in a great many cases, when we’re honest with ourselves, we discover, in examining the history of our relationships, that we may have tolerated, overlooked, or denied behaviors and attitudes that, in retrospect, should have been unacceptable to us.
These may have been the behaviors and attitudes of a sociopath, or just a selfish, immature partner; a narcissist, or just an emotionally unavailable, detached boyfriend or girlfriend.
We may have invested a great deal of false, unrealistic hope in the possibility that this person would change; that we could somehow change this person; that this person would somehow, someday, “get it,” wake up, possibly “grow up,” realize and, finally, properly value,what we had to offer him (or her)!
But as so many of us know all too well, this can be a misguided fantasy that leads us into dangerous, compromising investments–investments which can devolve us into protracted, paralyzing resentment of the individual in whom we made this too-long, too-patient and too-compromising investment; and then get hung-up on eviscerating him for his deviance—when all along, maybe more obviously than we ever wanted to admit, we might have recognized that he was the wrong dude for me.
Again, I sincerely don’t mean to minimize the trauma arising from the violating—sometimes the shockingly violating behaviors—of those in whom we’ve invested our trust. And I particularly don’t mean to minimize the pain engendered from the chronically violating behaviors of serial expoiters.
But I do mean to question whether, sometimes, dwelling on any diagnostic cateory, including the sociopathic spectrum category, can distract us from a most important, and, ultimately, liberating achievement, which is to own that sometimes we end up making terrible choices of partners, regardless of their diagnoses—partners incapable of doing us justice, and capable all too often of doing us terrible injustice.
These are partners—whoever they are, and whatever drives their unacceptable behaviors—whom we want to be grateful to be rid of, and whose destructive qualities, in future relationships, we want to seize every opportunity to steer clear of.
(As usual, my use of male gender pronouns in this article is purely for convenience’s sake. Everything discussed in this article applies equally to female perpetrators of deception and exploitation. This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Thanks for the reminder Steve!
I’m not sure if this is rational, and I’m not sure I can even explain it, but at this point in my recovery I’m working on my spirit, and trying to hold on to compassion, forgiveness including self-forgiveness, and (this might be ridiculious) for some reason I can have compassion for, and forgive someone much easier if he’s NOT a sociopath.
I am very well aware, however, that all three have been bad for me, and am not interested in having a relationship with any of them. I am interested in understanding what the attraction was, on both sides, and learning from it.
I agree, though that one can distract one-self from the larger issues by getting stuck on labels.
Thanks, again Steve.
Steve,
This is a good article, being very helpful to me.
Very pointed article, Steve – and very timely.
Those of us that have been in the N/S/P relationship are so focused on finding answers for what we went through that sometimes the “Diagnosis” is such a relief – the knowing there was nothing we could do to change anything eventually sinks in.
But now as I watch my single friends dating and finding “The Not Right Dudes ” I see only the need to recognize those behaviors we find hurtful and unacceptable and just say “NEXT!!!” .
No need to figure out why he won’t pay for your lunch, why he said he was coming over and blew you off, why he ate dinner at your house and left before the dishes were even in the sink.
I hear of these things happening from my friends and it is so discouraging to even consider dating .
But it’s what they are dealing with – after you cut someone enough slack for an off day, a bad mood, low on funds week etc – then it may be time to just cut them lose permanently.
Thanks as always for your insight
Hello good people:
You save my life on a daily basis. This is such a powerful site, get more from this than the ph.d I see, she means well I guess, but a lot of lip service, pat answers, placates just angers me more.
I have been free of the animal for 6 weeks now. He stalked me at my home on Aug 6, called cops and haven’t seen him since thank God.
I have noticed that I feel like a completely different person now. I feel really sad, I find myself missing him, but after I have been educated by all of you about the depth of their evil, I ask myself how can I miss someone who was a lie. The entire rel was a total lie-the worst betrayal ever.
I have lost my innocence and my friendliness, I’m sadder, I’m sorely disappointed in humanity, paranoid and suspicious of everyone now. I am very angry and so deeply sad and heartbroken by all of this, can’t believe that people like this really exist and how they destroy and change lives for forever. Everyone is under suspicion now because I was duped big time, I mean how can I trust even people that appear to be nice and good, that is what the X-Sociopath did to me, he was the most complimentary person I’ve ever met, always helping people, very generous, helped me out financially, cried when I would have sad days and rush right over to comfort me and now that I finally have swallowed the bitter truth of reality and my denial has been ripped from me, how can I trust potentially good people in the future. I thought this guy was the best thing that ever happened to me until his monster self came out.
I just feel destroyed on every level. The pain and abandonment I feel brings back the trauma and pain from childhood. Mother was a sociopath-made my life a living hell, sister was one, and so was dad, although dad may be an N and have sociopathic tendencies.
So, I grieve again my childhood for all the horror it was and I grieve the X-sociopath too. I grieve bad people it makes me feel worse.
He would hold his monster inside for about 1 month to 2-3 months then he would fly into a sadistic rage worse than I experienced with my father as a child. He would pant like Mel Gibson like an animal, those tapes chill me to the bone. He sounded just like Mel.
Then after getting away from him after he’d get like this, I would miss him, long for him, get terribly lonely and go back to him and the cycle started all over again. It’s been a hell of a life for so long and was so deeply hurt by his rages, he never hit me, but the emotional and mental hurt was enough.
I am sober from him for 6 weeks now, missing him has been haunting me a little bit. I usually make it to 3 months no contact and go back because I was never strong enough to withstand the horrible pit of loneliness. As time rolls on, I heal from the pain he inflicted and go back.
This time is different though, I know if I can make it n/c for 4 months I am home free this time. I hope I can be strong this time and not go back.
Life sucks sometimes.
I forgot to say that after reading: ‘Without Conscience’, by Dr. Hare last night, and reading Dr. Martha Stout’s book: ‘The Sociopath Next Door’, I have realized one thing loud and clear:
It takes a hell of a strong person to swallow the bitter pill that we have been emotionally involved with the most dangerous person on earth, all wolves in sheep’s clothing.
I don’t know after reading the facts how one can truly feel a sense of peace and safety and sense of trust in mankind in this world. I am a cynical person now. Never was before.
I never, ever wanted to admit the truth who the X really was-a demon. I’ve realized now it takes a very strong person to swallow this reality, the reality that some people we come across are really sociopaths that look like me and you and there usually nice folks in a mask. So scary.
It takes a person with a very strong ego structure to admit this reality to themselves. I was sleeping with the worst enemy. I always locked my doors at night and he was always adamant about protecting me from the world reminding me to lock up, shut the windows etc…..I thought gee I’ve got a real protector here, but the reality was I was sleeping with the enemy far more dangerous than a robber breaking in.
I never truly knew what I was dealing with. I spent a lot of time analyzing and trying to figure it out. I thought oh he’s bipolar and just needs meds, or I thought he just needed anger management, or I thought it was his abusive childhood, but never, ever thought in a million years his diagnosis was Psychopath! I am still in a state of numbness and shock. How could this possibly be? I can’t wrap my brain around it still that people really do seek out to hurt you and manipulate you, just like my mom did to me my whole life. I am truly baffled. I used to believe that there was good in everyone and always gave others the benefit of the doubt, unconditional love and all that nonsense. No more.
I am about to read: ‘Snakes in Suits’ by Dr. Hare. I have to admit to you the devastating truth that every boss I have ever had was a sociopath, maybe, just maybe 1 or 2 weren’t but the rest were.
I had to leave every single job I’ve had due to the evil bosses and co-workers. I have been poor my whole life because of them. Am terrified to get back into the workforce. The last job I left was in Feb. I hope the next job, God has some mercy on me and that I can experience working with good people, not the ones that set me up and plot against me. I can’t take much more of these evil tyrants. My soul is really tired.
Dear Gothelesson,
Congratulations! TOWANDA!for you! I think in getting over the addiction to the “bad dudes” it is like getting over the worst hurdle in any addiction it is the first 90 days. I quit smoking about a year ago and I think the first 90 days were the hardest, but just as we must stay TOTALLY NC WITH CIGARETTES and can’t even “have one” we must stay totally NC with the psychopath or we got back to “ground zero” Stay strong, you CAN DO IT THIS TIME, I AM CONVINCED by your strong words.
BTW Emotional abuse can be worse than physical abuse, and is rape of the soul!
Steve, this is a great article and one that we need to be reminded of. It does not matter what we call them, as long as we recognize the behaviors that are unacceptable. Doesn’t matter WHY they lie, THEY LIE=THEY ARE BAD. Doesn’t matter WHY they cheat–they CHEAT=BAD DUDE FOR ME. Doesn’t matter WHY they are dishonest, DISHONEST=BAD DUDE FOR ME.
We must set our own boundaries of what is acceptable to us, and skip over the part where we EXCUSE BAD BEHAVIOR that is basically ANYTHING DISHONEST. It doesn’t matter if he was abused as a child, that is not a pass to become an abuser himself. It doesn’t matter that his X-wife was a witch, that doesn’t excuse or give him a pass to be dishonest with me.
It doesn’t matter why he robbed the bank and went to prison, he is a CRIMINAL=BAD DUDE FOR ME!
According to Kent Kiehel, PhD, who is studying convicts, the AVERAGE score on the PCL-R of ALL convicts is 22, with 25% of them being >30 and qualifying as psychopaths, so if we eliminate all associations with people who have been in prison, we will eliminate most of the psychopaths, and “ALMOST-psychopaths” at least out of that sub-set of people we might know. I realize that SOME people can change (those of us here at LF have done a LOT of changing for the better) but I don’t intend to try to hang around a dysfunctional person to see if they will self-heal. I don’t need the aggravation and drama. They can heal on their own time, I don’t need to be trying to have a relationship with a dysfunctional person who treats me poorly. NOT my job!
Good article, STeve. Thanks.
ifinallygotthelesson,
You can make it No Contact, you’re right on that point. Involvement with a sociopath and/or psychopath definitely shakes up your view of the world, reality. I have become a cynical person, still wiped out mentally from the whole ordeal of the discovery of this mental illness, never being able to be how I was before I knew that the husband fits the criteria of a sociopath, still being unsettling (to the core), hard to stomach.
Dear Steve:
I have to say that the word-personality disorder does not even come close to describing the scope of their evil.
Have you ever been involved with one? If not, you just cannot know.
For me, I have to keep loud and clear and define it for exactly what it is and who I’m really dealing with at all times. Psychopath works for me. Bad dude doesn’t even come close to describing it. I need to remain in reality of what is to get on with it.
Some of your points are ok, but inappropriate in this forum of deeply wounded caring souls. Bad dude would keep me in a relationship, psychopath doesn’t.
ifinallygotthelesson,
Your comment about evil bosses reminded me of a story that I heard about earlier this week on the Today show about a man who committed suicide due to a bullying boss, no less, working for a prestigious magazine put out by UVA. This man sought help for himself (attempting to resolve his workplace issues) through different avenues via his employer and didn’t get any response to his concerns, so feeling completely despondent, he ended his life. He left a suicide note, indicating that abuse from his bullying boss was the reason he committed suicide. The employee had read or was reading a book about how to deal with a narcissistic boss. A picture of the boss was shown (a younger man) on the show – he put out a statement to the media denying any responsibility for this deceased man’s final action. Too bad the employer didn’t take effective action toward helping this employee (who was at the end of his rope).
Dear Got the lesson,
The labels we place on them: Sociopath, psychopath, Narcissist, malignant narcissist, EVIL, Demon, or whatever we want to call them, including “bad dude” is in reality UNIMPORTANT, the thing we must grasp is WHATEVER YOU call it, it is TOXIC and POISON and we must stay away.
Staying with someone who is a “bad dude” is no more reasonable than staying with a “psychopath” — there are lots of people who are NOT GOOD FOR US, who will use and abuse us who don’t quite qualify as a psychopath by Hare’s definbition (PCL-R) but if they injure us they are TOXIC and POISON. There are levels of toxins, from bad to immediately lethal, but even “bad” is more than enough reason not to drink it.
You’ve been severely injured by the monster (that’s another good name for them) and now you need peace, distance and time in which to effect your healing from those wounds. Glad you are here, keep on reading it will be salve to your soul! (((Hugs))))