It’s easy to get obsessed with, fixated on, “labels” and diagnostic categories like sociopath, psychopath, malignant narcissist, narcissist, etc. To be sure, labels and diagnoses can be important and informative.
In the case of “sociopathic” individuals, for instance, we know that there’s no changing them; we know that there’s no real hope for their redemption; and so, if you’ve correctly identified a sociopathic type, you can know that it’s pointless, self-destructive to invest another minute of your time in him. And this is a good thing to know.
But it’s also the case, I’d suggest, that an overfocus on labels and diagnoses can sometimes be a distraction, a form of avoidance, sometimes of obsession, and, in some cases, a habitually poor use of one’s time.
Does it really matter, as several LoveFraud readers have pointed out in various posts over the months, what precise label—accurate or not—you affix to an individual when he’s proven to be emotionally unavailable, or a compulsive liar, or an abusive personality, or a chronically selfish, self-centered partner, or a chronic, comfortable manipulator and deceiver?
Does it really matter, in the end, what you call this? It seems to me that what’s suitable to call this, and perhaps all that’s necessary, sometimes, to call this, is–This is a bad dude for me. This is the wrong dude for me.
Sometimes this is the diagnosis that ultimately matters: Wrong dude for me, or Right dude for me.
Whether he’s a narcissist, sociopath, or neither (in a fullblown sense); whether he’s got another personality disorder, or a hybrid of personality disorders, or whether, again, he fails to meet the full criteria for any personality disorder, sometimes this isn’t the main issue.
Often, what matters most is what it is that you require in a partner, and whether he has the goods to deliver it. And once you establish that he lacks what you require—say, sufficient integrity, emotional generosity, dependability, you name it—then, as I suggest, you’ve nailed the really, and sometimes only, relevant diagnosis—the he’s wrong for me! diagnosis.
I understand that a community of people who’ve suffered some of the common indignities inflicted by exploitive personalities can offer one another invaluable support, and I surely don’t mean to devalue the fantastic healing power of this communal process.
But it’s also important to remember, going forward, that we, each of us, needs to take a good, long look in the mirror and take charge of the kind of relationships that dignify us. I maintain that, in a great many cases, when we’re honest with ourselves, we discover, in examining the history of our relationships, that we may have tolerated, overlooked, or denied behaviors and attitudes that, in retrospect, should have been unacceptable to us.
These may have been the behaviors and attitudes of a sociopath, or just a selfish, immature partner; a narcissist, or just an emotionally unavailable, detached boyfriend or girlfriend.
We may have invested a great deal of false, unrealistic hope in the possibility that this person would change; that we could somehow change this person; that this person would somehow, someday, “get it,” wake up, possibly “grow up,” realize and, finally, properly value,what we had to offer him (or her)!
But as so many of us know all too well, this can be a misguided fantasy that leads us into dangerous, compromising investments–investments which can devolve us into protracted, paralyzing resentment of the individual in whom we made this too-long, too-patient and too-compromising investment; and then get hung-up on eviscerating him for his deviance—when all along, maybe more obviously than we ever wanted to admit, we might have recognized that he was the wrong dude for me.
Again, I sincerely don’t mean to minimize the trauma arising from the violating—sometimes the shockingly violating behaviors—of those in whom we’ve invested our trust. And I particularly don’t mean to minimize the pain engendered from the chronically violating behaviors of serial expoiters.
But I do mean to question whether, sometimes, dwelling on any diagnostic cateory, including the sociopathic spectrum category, can distract us from a most important, and, ultimately, liberating achievement, which is to own that sometimes we end up making terrible choices of partners, regardless of their diagnoses—partners incapable of doing us justice, and capable all too often of doing us terrible injustice.
These are partners—whoever they are, and whatever drives their unacceptable behaviors—whom we want to be grateful to be rid of, and whose destructive qualities, in future relationships, we want to seize every opportunity to steer clear of.
(As usual, my use of male gender pronouns in this article is purely for convenience’s sake. Everything discussed in this article applies equally to female perpetrators of deception and exploitation. This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
OxY,
TOWANDA! Even though I forget what that means I know it’s significant and something good. I’ll take it!
I’m 44, so I’ll betcha I’ve eaten a few cows/steers.
Thanks so much for your support, Oxy, really.
It’s scary how addicting those toxic relationships can be. You keep waiting for the crumbs. They giveth and taketh away, and you get addicted to the crumbs. It’s called being intermittently conditioned and is a part of operant conditioning. They say that this intermittent conditioning is extremely powerful and difficult to break. But, it’s what I grew up with, so when I meet someone with the same dynamic as my family…BAM!! I’m hooked into waiting for those measley crumbs.
Thanks again, Oxy! I need to go to bed, but will write more tomorrow. Nitey!
Hopeful6596 out!
Dearest hopeful,
you are so right about living on crumbs falling from the spaths table! For almost 30 yearsI was in ignorance and denial re my two spath daughters. Last June, I found Lovefraud, and talk about scales falling from my eyes!
Ive read and read articles and blogs, from LF and learned heaps.About gaslighting,,about the FOG they put you in,{false guilt,obligation, and fear, THAT was totally my life} I turned myself intoa human pretzel, trying to please these biatches,{now 44 and 46 years old.] I made excuse after excuse for them. Forgave them over and over for their crap treatment of me,allowed the older one to bleed me dry financially to the tune of well over A$10,000 {and that only in the last 4 years}. Like poor NewLily, who has since passed away, I lived on crumbs of affection,-poor Lily died still hoping against hope theyd change,{her 3 spath daughters].Nope they did not.They did not love her, any more than my two do.
I am finally through with both of them, it has been very hard to accept that NO they dont love me and prob. havent since they both turned 15. Nope they will NEVER CHANGE as they are both spaths, and therefore have no consciense, no guilt, no compassion, no capacity for kindness or remorse. Its all about them. No-one else counts.They both just use everyone.
Ive just hada HUGE clear out, and thrown away everything that reminds me of them, photos, after the age of13 or so, cheap or freebie “gifts’, heaps of stuff. Now I have to get them out of my mind and heart.I have to concentrate on remembering them as little girls only. Thats it.I admire Oxy so much, what pain she has been thru re her murdering spath son and the other lying son.I think, “If Oxy can do it,{cut them out of her hert and life witha rusty bowie knife, ] then thats what I HAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE. And I WILL! Oxy, you are the trail blazer, your one amazing lady!
Love and HUGS!! Mama gem.XX
This is a good article and lot’s of different take’s here on label’s. I understand so much how IFINALLYGOTTHELESSON need’s that label. These people truly take over our mind’s. We all came upon the word physcopath or sociopath or narcissist in different ways, but what ever it was that caused us to stop and investigate that label, that term, that personality disorder is what saved or changed our life. For me the word sociopath rang so true when describing my X and I will always think of him as that. And to ifinallygotthelesson, I felt what your feeling, that big stupid feeling of loss, dang that didnt make any sense to me 2.5 years ago..wanting someone so evil back?~! But I promise you, you will stop feeling this way..and maybe we needed this big lesson because people do lie and there are bad people around every corner..about time we realized this dont ya think? But there are good people around every corner also, give yourself time, six weeks, six months, you will get where you need to be, square with yourself and the world, hang on….I promise you will not always feel so untrusting, if I made it to the other side of finding me so can you…
Thank you, Steve. Very thought – provoking. Also points to the fact, less palatable: we made a choice. A therapist recently told me: “You chose him to be a father of your child”. It rang wrong on so many levels. He manipulated me. He raped me. He violated me. And then …. Then I had to accept that it was my choice to allow this to happen. Now, that I came to terms with this, and came to terms with who I am (more or less, because I think there is always a way to improve oneself), I must address another fact: I do not trust that little voice, that little whisper. I do not hear it, or if I hear it I can’t tell what is normal and real and what is PTSD. So, I go back to my “trusted” friends and run things by them and this sort of emotional insecurity and mistrust in my judgement is totally new, but when it comes to men, “he was a bad dude for me” is a no – brainer. ” He IS a bad dude for me” raises all sorts of uncertainties. Is he? Am I overly sensitive? are these my trust issues coming in the way?. If one does not have a GOOD point of reference, how can one distinguish? So, red flags are now flaring even when they would have never been before. At least, I am able to go back to the good old DSM and actually perform a mundane self – detached evaluation by comparison of what i think I see to what is on its pages. Let’s face it: by now, the well adjusted adults are married to their life partners, they are not seeking new relationships and when they are widowed, the competition is fierce and not only among the living.
I am dating someone, who calls himself “damage goods” and I have to agree. At 46, he’s had three prior relationships. RED flag. Back to DSM now. Dude, what is YOUR diagnosis?
GettingIt – Therapists always say the unconscious thing don’t they…as if you really did know what was going on…I know you simply didn’t and you were totally violated…how do you ‘allow’ someone to violate you…it wouldn’t be Violation if you allowed it!!!
You trusted someone….okay so do we stop trusting if there is something from the checklist? of course there are loving people who are damaged goods, and make wonderful partners, but they might have a few of the ‘red flags’ that you will beat yourself with if he turns out to be a sociopath…
Elin Nordegren (Tiger Woods wife) said the following…it struck me again what we are dealing with here…primarily something that is very hard to see because the perpetrator hones all his energy on concealing it….you are not going to see the damage until it’s done
she says:
“Ive been through hell” to People magazine “it’s hard to think you have this life and then all of a sudden- was it a lie? you are struggling because it wasn’t real”
that sums it up perfectly for me today….Tiger Woods seemed like the good guy…right up until he wasn’t…..so don’t tell me you can see it coming, the evidence repeatedly suggests you cannot.
I see red flags in everyone these days…is it just me? probably…
bulletproof,
I have a good friend who talked about a t.v. interview that she saw with Elin Nordegren, where she discussed her marriage to Tiger. Personally, I am proud of Elin, ending her marriage with Tiger. I know that she was devastated by her discovery (feeling badly for her, having her life explode before her eyes) that he was a serial cheater, but hopefully, she can use her experience(s) for good, learning from the whole mess. Elin seems to have handled herself in a classy way, reaching the conclusion that you can’t live with someone that you don’t trust. True.
GettingIt,
What your therapist said was rubbish. Be good to yourself.
bluejay- yes I am very proud of Elin as a woman, how she handled things from the moment she found out to now. He has held herself so gracefully, and broke away no contact very soon (had to be devastating)
she is blessed with financial bliss for herself and her children, making it possible to afford the right help I’m sure..the right distance, the right luxury to mind herself….how many ordinary women have handed over their financial power to the man, from a position of love and trust and have that violated and be left with nothing…
I’m sure for Elin it was particularly difficult to be so public, to be humiliated at that level…she had not a clue he was cheating on her…no clue and why should she ? there is a popular attitude out there she was a fool not to know…how could she not know..but I would totally understand how she did not know.
but that’s the thing these remorseless people act flawlessly showing no signs of discomfort with a double life….they say one thing and do something else BEHIND your knowing…..lying easily and fluently, not a bother…they do not sweat, get nervous, worry, feel guilty…..list is endless…then you find out…it’s a head wrecking moment as everything you ever thought was real comes apart along with the heart…stripped down to the bone betrayal
Dear Getting it,
My suggestion right now is doing sit and grieve because you may not find a new love at your age. Yep, you are right, the odds are against it, but that is NOT WHAT WILL GIVE YOUR LIFE MEANING AND HAPPINESS….I lost my husband in a plane crash 6 years ago and after his death I FELT OLD, UGLY AND UNLOVEABLE….my happiness DIED with him. It should NOT have died with him, my happiness should have been my OWN and not have belonged to him. Sure I should have been sad at his loss, but not totally UNDONE–within a year, Ii was so needy and unhappy I fell for the first Psychopath that came along, just “knowing he would make me happy again.”
Now, FINALLY I am realizing that my happiness depends on ME and not being married, or part of a couple, or even if I am in love or not, my happiness is MINE and can’t be given to me by someone else (or taken away by someone else’s opinion of me).
It was a long road to come to that realization, but I made it and frankly, ONLY NOW am I where I could even be a good partner in a relationship if one fell into my lap!
Also, You need to learn to TRUST YOURSELF again….that will take time. You let yourself down by not keeping yourself safe. BUT you KNOW BETTER NOW, SO YOU WILL DO BETTER NOW. Re-learning to trust myself was a big part of my healing as well. Being sure my “self” had enough knowledge and back bone to protect me took some Training and “learning.” Knowledge is power. Take back your power! PUT YOURSELF FIRST.
I too grew up not knowing what is “normal” and you can get some good ideas on Dr. Leedom’s new article that came out today “Psychopathy is a spectrum” will explain a great deal I think to us all. I think it is the best article on LF.
Take heart, you are making progress. Just “slow down’ and be good to yourself and the trust in yourself will return! You will learn to keep yourself safe! ((((Hugs)))) and God bless.
Dear Gem,
I can’t believe you have been here a year already, and over! Glad you came here, sweetie! I know it has been a difficult year for you and you’ve had a lot of stored up pain, anger, wrath, pain, and more pain stored up to get through, but I’m so glad for you that you are making it through the muddle!
Read Liane’s new article for today, it really is a great one and I think the best one on the entire internet.
Cleaning it out is good for the soul too! Toss it all away! Let it go, and as each box of carp goes out the door, let the pain go with it! ((((Hugs))))) and God bless.