It’s easy to get obsessed with, fixated on, “labels” and diagnostic categories like sociopath, psychopath, malignant narcissist, narcissist, etc. To be sure, labels and diagnoses can be important and informative.
In the case of “sociopathic” individuals, for instance, we know that there’s no changing them; we know that there’s no real hope for their redemption; and so, if you’ve correctly identified a sociopathic type, you can know that it’s pointless, self-destructive to invest another minute of your time in him. And this is a good thing to know.
But it’s also the case, I’d suggest, that an overfocus on labels and diagnoses can sometimes be a distraction, a form of avoidance, sometimes of obsession, and, in some cases, a habitually poor use of one’s time.
Does it really matter, as several LoveFraud readers have pointed out in various posts over the months, what precise label—accurate or not—you affix to an individual when he’s proven to be emotionally unavailable, or a compulsive liar, or an abusive personality, or a chronically selfish, self-centered partner, or a chronic, comfortable manipulator and deceiver?
Does it really matter, in the end, what you call this? It seems to me that what’s suitable to call this, and perhaps all that’s necessary, sometimes, to call this, is–This is a bad dude for me. This is the wrong dude for me.
Sometimes this is the diagnosis that ultimately matters: Wrong dude for me, or Right dude for me.
Whether he’s a narcissist, sociopath, or neither (in a fullblown sense); whether he’s got another personality disorder, or a hybrid of personality disorders, or whether, again, he fails to meet the full criteria for any personality disorder, sometimes this isn’t the main issue.
Often, what matters most is what it is that you require in a partner, and whether he has the goods to deliver it. And once you establish that he lacks what you require—say, sufficient integrity, emotional generosity, dependability, you name it—then, as I suggest, you’ve nailed the really, and sometimes only, relevant diagnosis—the he’s wrong for me! diagnosis.
I understand that a community of people who’ve suffered some of the common indignities inflicted by exploitive personalities can offer one another invaluable support, and I surely don’t mean to devalue the fantastic healing power of this communal process.
But it’s also important to remember, going forward, that we, each of us, needs to take a good, long look in the mirror and take charge of the kind of relationships that dignify us. I maintain that, in a great many cases, when we’re honest with ourselves, we discover, in examining the history of our relationships, that we may have tolerated, overlooked, or denied behaviors and attitudes that, in retrospect, should have been unacceptable to us.
These may have been the behaviors and attitudes of a sociopath, or just a selfish, immature partner; a narcissist, or just an emotionally unavailable, detached boyfriend or girlfriend.
We may have invested a great deal of false, unrealistic hope in the possibility that this person would change; that we could somehow change this person; that this person would somehow, someday, “get it,” wake up, possibly “grow up,” realize and, finally, properly value,what we had to offer him (or her)!
But as so many of us know all too well, this can be a misguided fantasy that leads us into dangerous, compromising investments–investments which can devolve us into protracted, paralyzing resentment of the individual in whom we made this too-long, too-patient and too-compromising investment; and then get hung-up on eviscerating him for his deviance—when all along, maybe more obviously than we ever wanted to admit, we might have recognized that he was the wrong dude for me.
Again, I sincerely don’t mean to minimize the trauma arising from the violating—sometimes the shockingly violating behaviors—of those in whom we’ve invested our trust. And I particularly don’t mean to minimize the pain engendered from the chronically violating behaviors of serial expoiters.
But I do mean to question whether, sometimes, dwelling on any diagnostic cateory, including the sociopathic spectrum category, can distract us from a most important, and, ultimately, liberating achievement, which is to own that sometimes we end up making terrible choices of partners, regardless of their diagnoses—partners incapable of doing us justice, and capable all too often of doing us terrible injustice.
These are partners—whoever they are, and whatever drives their unacceptable behaviors—whom we want to be grateful to be rid of, and whose destructive qualities, in future relationships, we want to seize every opportunity to steer clear of.
(As usual, my use of male gender pronouns in this article is purely for convenience’s sake. Everything discussed in this article applies equally to female perpetrators of deception and exploitation. This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
bulletproof,
People can have a double life (eg. Tiger Woods) and the partner doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. Elin thought that she had a good, loving husband – she assumed that she could trust him (which she should have been able to do) not to have a roving eye and indulge himself, having extra-marital affairs. My friend said that the women that revealed themselves as “the other woman” didn’t compare in beauty to his wife – she couldn’t fathom why Tiger Woods would cheat on his wife. When you realize that the person you’re married to is deceptive, you wonder what else he’s hiding – you do a double-take, the partner being a stranger to you.
Dear Bluejay,
I think you are right that she “trusted” too much. I think everything about him is SLIMY now—if he isn’t a P, he is “very high in the traits” but lots of people who get “rich and famous” who were “nice people” before they got rich and famous become narcissistic and entitled jerk wads with the money and fame and women throwing themselves at them.
In any case, I am glad for her sake that Elin has handled this thing pretty well. I also heard on the news yesterday that the women he slept with are ALSO getting “pay offs” through this female barracuda lawyer in California who is representing them for the “trauma” they experienced since they got exposed! LOL
WOW! So he ended up paying for his toys after alll! LOL Good enough for him. He sure hasn’t shown any “class” in any of this that is for sure. Not afterwards, and his behavior before the exposure sure wasn’t “classy” at all. Even his golf game is in the pits so maybe he is going to pay a much bigger price, which I think he deserves to pay.
I hope she will do well and raise her children well and have a good life. The fact that she did get a divorce from him shows me that she has some backbone and some self respect.
and just one or two more points on this whole Elin/ Tiger thing…bluejay…
I get really angry when people say ” She was so beautiful looking, why would he WANT for anyone else, and they all were not a good looking as her” the reason I get angry with this attitude is because it rates a woman by how good looking she is…and the more beautiful she is…then by some ridiculous leap of faith she will be safe from her man doing the dirt…..it is not ABOUT GOOD LOOKS!!! its about the depth of the relationship,It’s about two adults relating and making a commitment that one would hope run deeper than what you look like on the surface…
There are men out there blissfully married and in relationships with ordinary even ‘ugly’ (in comparison to the air brushed images of women all over the media) women, but they love the PERSON!!! and that is what it is all about….there will always be someone better looking, younger, flirtier, more exciting but when you join with someone, you love the person they are and see beyond the “looks” thing…it does not mean a thing at the end of the day…and that is why it must be so hard for beautiful looking women because they have been “told” that they are safe…not so…Cheryl Cole, Elin Nordegren, Jennifer Aniston, Brittany Spears,
Sandra Bullock….on and on….not about looks…it’s about the promises a man makes…only to break them without conscience.
Venting here and feeling really like I’m clearing a ton of negativity xx
ifinallygotthelesson – i read your first post upthread, and have to admit that i haven’t waded through all the responses, so forgive me if i am repeating something someone else has said.
you need to plan for the three month mark – there is a saying, ‘failing to plan is planning to fail’. find some resources (counselor, yoga, exercise, meditation, tai chi, writing, watching funny movies, reading about spathy, etc.) and start building a plan to carry you through.
one of the things that can be very useful is to make a list of all the crappy things he did, with a big red flag (stars are so passe) at the one that was the worst, and read it when you are feeling at risk or ruminating on him. commit to logging in here and reading or writing; go for walks, etc. you need to support and bolster what is good in life and turn your back on what is pulling you down. I don’t know what your financial, work or human resources are, but you can do this with almost no resources at all. good luck.
best,
one step
one of the things that became very hard for me in the ‘story’ that the spath conned me with, is that the main character was always 2 inches away from physical death or predation that would harm him emotionally (try not to laugh about that last one, okay?).
Someone who used to be a regular poster here and I have been emailing one another and talking on the phone for some months. She is not well, and still has people in her life who are n/p – although they are very much at arms length. the last few months she has had a horrible time of it. she is not in contact with them, but one of them is harassing her. she is afraid and although she is not responding to him she has become almost frozen with panic, and not taking any legal steps to ensure safety as she fears he will kill her if he is riled. at least this is what i see. of course i don’t know the all of it.
i haven’t heard from her in 2 weeks now, and my heart is breaking; I don’t know if something has happened to her. this is so difficult – i know her on phone and online – y’all can see some of the connections to my ppath experience. she also is smart funny and artistically talented…….i am a sucker for these peeps. don’t mean ‘sucker’ in a bad way – i am just attracted to folks who are like this. smart funny artisitc that is, not physcopathic.
i know i can’t do anything beyond what i have in terms of reaching out; there is nothing else to do, until she surfaces. my heart hurts.
Dear One,
I “get attached” to LF bloggers every day! They move away from LF and I don’t hear from them and I WONDER, are they OK? Did they go back to him and he killed her? and I know that your private conversations are probably even more involved than what we post here on LF (though I can’t imagine how much more as we pretty well spill our guts here! LOL) But I do understand your care and concern and worry….the thing we have to understand and make ourselves BELIEVE (I think) is that these are ADULTS, and that THEY MUST MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS and that no matter how much we care we can’t CAN’T save them against their wills.
There used to be a poster here from the UK who came here in DANGER from her violent Husband, with the LF group behind her, she left him….and he vandalized her property, etc. etc. and then, SHE WENT BACK. Came back here a time or two, but as far as I know NEVER left him again. I really really got angry at her when she went back that first time, and you know—it is NOT MY PLACE to get angry at anyone who does not do what I think is right for them. That’s what ENABLERS do. If you don’t do what your enabler tells you to do they get mad at you. I cannot set myself up as responsible for anyone else’s life unless that person is my young child. Even then, they have the right to some decisions of their own.
I freely give my opinion here on LF–don’t hold back much–but at the same time, I can’t get “angry” with someone who doesn’t take it. If I do see that someone has no intention of “saving” themselves and some how just seems to get a kick out of playin theh “yes, but…” game (They get people to give them suggestions about what to do then they say “Hes, that’s a great idea, but I can’t do it because…..”) and they play that game with no real intention of EVER changing their lives, just more pissing and moaning about it and “yes, but.”
But stepping away from someone who REALLY DOESN’T want advice is not the same as getting angry with them. I have the right to step away, but not a right to be angry with them because they didn’t follow my advice, or even use good sense. They didn’t do anything to me.
So I guess what I am saying is, your friend may not be making what you (or any of us) would think would be a “wise” choice or decision…but that said…you can’t save her from herself no matter how much you care! ((((Hugs))))
bulletproof,
Good point to make (and be reminded of) – anyone can be cheated on, no matter what one looks like. I agree with what you say about what constitutes a true, loving relationship. It is helpful to read your comment, seeing what I should not have included in my earlier post, being corrected. What I personally thought is that Tiger’s wife is not a shallow person, she did what was right for herself and her children, not staying with someone that she couldn’t trust – she had to revamp her thinking about him. The solution for herself was to end the marriage. I hope that she has a good life with her children, extended family, friends, etc. (seconding what Oxy said). I think that how she carried herself speaks to the public – she’s a good role model.
Dear Bluejay, I agree with you, I think (from what little I have seen on TV or read) she has handled herself with dignity, and he has not had ANY dignity. He makes me want to puke, and I say to her “Good Job.”
As far as the “quality” of the women he was with and how they have handled themselves on the air and in print—they rate right there on the same scale as Tiger as far as I am concerned. They knew he was married and rich, so they were “interested”—it wouldn’t have mattered to them if he’d have had 3 heads and 6 arms as long as he was famous and rich….especially the RICH part. One even had the nerve to complain how stingy he was! ROTFLMAO
OxDrover,
Elin is a quality person, that’s for sure.
GettingIt,
Today, I have thought about your earlier post. Personally, I don’t think anyone is “damaged goods’. I have a friend who would refer to herself as “a Christian under construction”, still being improved upon. All of us (who work on ourselves) are building toward something better, in my opinion. I may have had some hellish experiences, but I am not totally down. For whatever reason, I keep walking each day (even during the times when I was absolutely crushed, barely functional), understanding then why people choose to end their lives, but not going that route. I feel like I have experienced every emotion possible and I’m still here. A magazine that I subscribe to is Guideposts (a monthly magazine) and there was a story in there last year or this year by a woman who shared her story – she had been married and divorced something like two times. This woman’s friend suggested that she list all the qualities that she wanted in a husband then pray about it. She did what was recommended, praying for two years about this matter. A man pursued her (a genuine Christian), being some years younger than herself, and they ended up marrying – this person had all the qualities that she had placed on her list. That is an encouraging story. As far as I’m concerned, if we’re breathing, their is still hope for anything.