When is history predictive of future behavior? Who can change? Who will change? Can sociopaths change? What is meaningful versus unmeaningful change?
I would argue that history is most predictive of future behavior when the mindset of the individual—especially the motivational mindset of the individual—remains static. By this I mean that short of a radicalized mindset, one can assume that the individual’s historical behaviors and attitudes will not change, at least not meaningfully.
So motivation goes directly to the question who is likely, or unlikely, to make changes in historical behavior patterns. One must ask, what is the individual’s motivation to change previous behavior?
This isn’t always easy to answer for several reasons—one, we can disguise our motives; also, we can want to believe that someone’s stated motive is their true motive, when it isn’t (sometimes against our better judgement). Plus, as change-intenders, we can also deceive ourselves about our own motives, further complicating the task of ascertaining the true motive(s) behind an intended change.
In the case of the sociopath, we can be quite sure of this: His motives will be self-serving (which alone isn’t necessarily a fatal problem). What makes the problem “fatal” is that the sociopath’s motives will be exclusively self-serving. Sure, he may be motivated to please you, but it will be, exclusively, to benefit himself (from his pleasing you).
This means the sociopath won’t be looking genuinely to benefit you with his change, but rather, principally (if not entirely) himself.
And so sociopaths, if motivated enough, can make changes. But one can’t stress enough that their motives to change will be shallow. Now it may not look like this on the surface—that is, a slick sociopath can seem to want to change with convincing, genuine intent. But eventually, often much too late for his partner, the underlying, dominating self-centeredness of his agenda will surface.
This is a fancy way of reminding ourselves that the sociopath is manifestly out for himself; thus any changes he endeavors will be pursued with the aim to protect and advance his interests, his gratifications; not yours.
Let’s consider the case of the abusive personality—more specifically, someone with a significant history as a serial emotional, if not physical, abuser. Can this individual change? And, if so, under what circumstances?
If he’s a sociopath, we have our answer—no. The sociopathic abuser is a flat-out hopeless case; he will never stop his abuse in a permanent, reliable way. The reason why is that he’s lacking an essential motivation: to want, genuinely, to cease his role as a cause of his partner’s suffering.
In the sociopath’s case, he lacks this motivation permanently because, basically, he lacks love and empathy for his partner. This is the sociopath’s essential defect—his incapacity to love and empathize maturely. He is primitively, functionally deficient in this respect. Consequently, he has no intrinsic incentives to sacrifice himself meaningfully (including to make meaningful changes), especially in the long-term, for others.
Can the sociopath cease his abuse temporarily? Yes, if the short-term incentives are strong enough. The sociopathic abuser can sometimes suspend his abuse just long enough to recapture what he wants (like renewed sexual attentions), or just long enough to avoid losing what he’s unprepared to lose (like a doting partner who makes his life convenient in many ways).
But bear in mind the shelf-life for his changes will be temporary; also, i think it bears repeating, these changes will be driven to improve his, not your, sense of security and comfort.
Conversely, where you have an abusive individual who is capable of feeling love and empathy for his partner, it is possible that he may reach a point of recognition that he no longer wants to be a cause, through his abuse, of his partner’s suffering. This is where the kernel of hope lies and where the work begins–from the recognition that one can no longer justify, or rationalize, being a source of suffering to another. However this requires a capacity to empathize; and where one feels love, as well as empathy, for one’s victims, then one has a chance to begin to work through one’s abusiveness.
Unfortunately chronic abusiveness is often associated with, and supported by, a highly narcissistic mindset, in which capacities for mature love and empathy are limited. This explains why it is often very difficult to treat successfully chronic relationship abusers.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
one_step, good link! Love that man’s voice!
I think after all the crazy we will turn out to be
better!!!!!!!! We will be SUPER-HUMAN!! lol
How is the gardening going?
At least while you are there, you can forget about
all the crap for a while, that’s what happens for me
when I go do my volunteer work.
Dear Chic,
Yea, “in compliance with parole” they even had a GPS tag on him but didn’t monitor it except AFTER A CRIME. DUH?
I go so angry at the excuses of the DA and the cops for why they didn’t do anything more to monitor him or to give him a longer sentence that I had to leave the room. Makes you want to biatch slap them for their “higher and mightier” attitudes.
That look of RAGE on his face when the girl mentioned the hitting him in the nose and his comments to his attorneys about “she didn’t hit me” show the true thoughts of a psychopath if I ever saw anything that did.
I know what you mean, it’s hard to watch. 🙁
Hello everyone,
I often wonder about the current classification system that makes a distinction between the “Sociopath” and someone suffering from so called “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”. Because in my experience, there is the same inability/unwillingness to change in the latter as in the former. Moreover, I get very irritated by the distinction that is often made between Sociopathy and NPD. In Martha Stouts’ book “The Sociopath Next Door”, for example (and likewise the DSM 4), she argues that people with NPD can “experience emotions such as love and guilt, but lack empathy” (whereas the sociopath can feel neither love, guilt nor empathy). Well, to put it simply, I think this is absolutely wrong for the following reason: How can it possibly be maintained that one can feel love WITHOUT EMPATHY! To my way of thinking, that absolutely misses the mark, because the very nature of love, one might almost say, is that it is perhaps 87% empathy.
In a word, I think people like Martha Stout and the folks in charge of DSM 4 give the NPD people FAR too much credit. (For one, “Narcissist” sounds less harsh and severe than “Sociopath”.) In fact, I think there is really no meaningful demarcation between full blown Sociopathy and NPD. The point of confusion is the supposed ability of NPDers to “experience love.” However, what they really experience is NOT love. (Again, show me love without empathy and I’ll show you a misguided notion of what love is.) What they actually experience – at best – is the selfish rush of emotion (what a thirteen year old calls “love”) that can apparently be mistaken for love. But it is not even close to real love, and I almost find it offensive that certain people (i.e., the NPD vampires) are given credit for such a quintessentialy human faculty which they in fact do not possess.
I think the real truth of the matter is that there should be no distinction made between the two disorders. At best they should both be viewed as subsets of ASPD. But let’s stop giving the NPD folks so much credit – THEY CANNOT LOVE! To love without empathy is such a contradiction in terms that it’s absurd on its face, and it does a profound disservice to anyone who has ever been victimized by someone with NPD (Ask John Edward’s wife what HIS “love” amounted to! If John has NPD then I think he should only be granted that less stigmatizing title if we classify it a subset of Sociopathy. Because it IS sociopathy – I defy anyone to prove the contrary!)
Of course, it is acknowledged that NPD is almost impossible to “treat.” Still, I think people are often fooled because of this mistaken notion regarding their ability to feel love and guilt (sans empathy, of course). I smiled when Aeylah asked if her Spath could “change”, because I knew what Oxy would say – and I’m in entire agreement. But I think the victims of NPD (again, poor Elizabeth Edwards) are very frequently caught in the same trap of word games and manipulation. So as a defense mechanism and in service to the truth of the matter, I think we should call them ALL sociopaths – and forget the meaningless little distinctions about narcissistic “love” and “guilt” – because it’s just so much B.S. The crux of the matter is the lack of empathy – it always comes back to that. A person without empathy is by definition a chronically, hopelessly toxic individual (there is no reforming them, ever), and it is entirely fruitless to look for a human emotion/motivation in any aspect of their conduct. By even giving them the benefit of the doubt means one is already well on the way to victim status.
Very well – those are my thoughts for what they’re worth. This issue has been on my mind of late, and I’m curious what others think. At the least, to get back to the main point of the thread, I think the only relevant thing is to decide whether or not someone has empathy. The lies, manipulation, emotional abuse, and all the rest of it – are just so many manifestations of its absence. But once it is determined indeed that empathy is not present, then as far as I’m concerned what you have is sociopathy (Again, I maintain that NPD is a very concrete variety of sociopathy). And as we all know, sociopathy can never be cured or ameliorated – it can only be avoided.
constantine…I know you are right and well done for trying to articulate that complete puzzle about the love thing..and empathy…I must confess however my mind is reduced to scrambled egg when I try to make sense of it…so I just go for a walk and look at nature instead….I agree with you on the meaningless little distinctions…they drive me up the wall….toxic…the damn lot of them
oxy- reminded of a line in the very funny sit com we used to have over here called Absolutely Fabulous (Ab Fab) with Jennifer Saunders….anyway Jennifer is in denial the whole time about her weight, and she is sitting with her mother in the kitchen…(mother is hilariously passive aggressive) she stares over at her mother depressed about her weight and confides about how bad she feels…she says ” you know inside this fat person there is a thin person trying to get out….” her mother smiles kindly and replies…”just the one dear? ”
I agree with another great Oxy line on psychopaths:
“The only thing “genuine” about them is that they are 100% FAKE!”
Dear Oxy and Hens,
Thank you for clearing up the FOG in my brain!
Oxy; Thank you for reminding me “The only thing “genuine” about them is that they are 100% FAKE!” …priceless!
Hens; Wow…I didn’t even think of his statements as Gaslighting, but you are so right.
A sofisticated manipulator and actor who can come off sounding so altruistic is very dangerous to desipher when your caught up in the emotion of it all!
Dear Constantine,
Can’t remember the exact name of it but Dr. Leedom did an article here recently (last few weeks) so shouldn’t be too difficult to find about the fact that psychopathy is a spectrum of a disorder not just a cut and dried, “he is, or he ain’t
You are right Narcissism is a BIG part of the problems with the psychopath. You could NOT “be” a psychopath without being also a Narcissist. (I think the new DSM V is going to put “narcississistic PD as part of PPD not separate.)
Keep in mind that there is no absolute on TALL or FAT or BIG or LITTLE and the same with the psychopath. A person can be a psychopath and just appear to the world like an unreasonable jerk—not be likely to kill anyone etc. he is still ALL FOR HIMSELF but somewhat limits his CHOICES of what he will to to what he think he might be able to “get away with”
This is the cop/doctor/lawyer etc psychopath but limits his worst behavior to those nearest and dearest or maybe someone at work he can verbally or even physically abuse.
Psychopaths have CHOICES in how they behave….I think a lot of what they do is fueled by how much RAGE they have when their CONTROL is thwarted, or like that John Gardner rapist murderer who was featured on the 2 hour Dateline last night. His particular thing happens to be control, rape and murder and he CHOSE to do that—-over and over again.
Other psychopaths choose to belittle, gaslight and cheat on their spouses. Some others choose to not work and have someone else meet their needs for food, clothing, transportation and shelter. CHOICES.
Aeylah, you are right, when they are GOOD ACTORS and good at GASLIGHTING it is difficult to know what to believe. If you are in the FOG (Fear, Obligation and Guilt) you will believe it all, even knowing it isn’t true, somehow you still “believe.” That puzzled me about myself, even if I knew it was a lie, I still believed. Now that is dedication to denial! Just keep on remembering that he IS the lie. He doesn’t JUST lie, he IS a lie. Nothing about him is real. Stay strong and stay NC!!! ((((hugs)))))
hi sahbby – i was at work yesterday and only thought of the poo spath once during the day – that’s major, considering what’s going on right now. she did, however suck up every piece of my brain last night. or i should say – i let her suck up my brain. it’s been really shitty.
the garden is winding down. not as much fun this year – not so many people active and working togehter, and i live farther away so don’t get there as often. but still, it is soil and plants and it is giving me a way to be in the community to some extent. i want to move out to the country. don’t know how that might happen yet…with my own big garden.
how is your volunteer work going?
Constantine,
The confusion of Narcisstic/sociopathic love and the lack of empathy, with resulting harm reminds me of the classic case of trauma bond victims. Very well explained in the book “The Betrayal Bond” by Patrick J. Carnes.
In my case it started with and continues with my NPD father; I know he loves me, he occasionally shows it with his actions….(he helped me buy a car), occasionally his words…..(when he tells me I am smart)…never says “I love you”…., yet he fluctuates between periods of being loving to periods of exteme cruelty, emotional abuse and neglect…..He himself claims very proudly to have no empathy! …yet when he is cruel he reminds me that as my father he’s only doing this because he “loves” me and cares for me.
Knowledge of this personality disorder and now knwoing that they do not change, even when you are fooled into believing they can, (as was my case in my previous post)….. has finally given me hope to change what I can….ME…..not to please anybody but to better understand ME and why I have befallen to predatory men all my life. I accept my own shortcommings as a codependant personality….and work hard at re-training myself to think healthy.
In the mean time, I treat people like my NPD father with minimum contact and wear the psychological shield when I’m around him knowing what he is and who he is…..period.
one_step, just thinking of the spath once while you were at work is great! I hope you can wind it all up with the lawyer soon and then you can fight off the vampire biatch by just healing and feeling better everyday!!!!! Fark her!
I forgot that the gardening would be winding down (since it’s still 100 degrees here during the day, it feels like summer, blah, I’m sick of it). I hope someday your dream comes true and you can move to the country.
The volunteer work is going ok. I think I’ll go out there tomorrow. Today I am leaving in a few hours with my sister to go spend the day with our cousin. Hopefully I can stop thinking about myself for a few hours! Maybe I’ll take an Ativan, LOL.