By Joyce Alexander, RNP (Retired)
I’ve been reading some interesting books lately by some very interesting researchers in the field of psychology—Dr. Barbara Oakley dealing with the themes of altruism, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen on empathy, and others who are trying to discover what makes people altruistic and how empathy (or lack of it) affects how we behave toward our fellow men. I’ve come to some interesting conclusions concerning my own part in my abuse by multiple people who were/are high in psychopathic traits, and very low in empathy, compassion and altruistic behavior. I have wondered about my own ability to repeatedly “explain away” the abusive behavior that I experienced from family members and “friends,” and to expect that they would change their abusive behavior. What made me think that I could somehow, by appeasing them, forgiving them, and being kind and caring to these people, make them realize just how much they had hurt me, how much I had suffered at their hands? What made me think that I could effect a change in someone else’s character, or instill character into someone who so obviously had no conscience, empathy or remorse?
In my studying about psychopathic behavior in former associates and in family members who have actually repeatedly done horrific violence to others as well as toward me, including battery, rape and actual murders, I have finally come to the conclusion, like many researchers, Dr. Robert Hare, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen and Dr. Barbara Oakley, that there is little if any chance that a person who is very high in psychopathic traits and very low in empathy, without conscience or the ability to feel remorse for their behavior, is going to effectively change, either in their thinking or their behavior. That much finally got through to me. There are some things that are impossible to do no matter how capable you are.
When a person has had a life-long pattern of bad and/or violent behavior, does not have effective empathy, which is necessary for a person to have a conscience (a personality disorder), the likelihood of change is minimal. “The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior” is a truism that is not likely to change, no matter how “politically correct” it is to wish otherwise.
There are some instances when a person has a medical condition (either genetic or acquired) that keeps them from having empathy—autism or brain damage from a stroke or head injury, for example. But not all people who are without “normal” levels of empathy are violent or seem to enjoy hurting others. For those people lacking empathy and conscience, who do seem to enjoy control over others, or simply seem to enjoy hurting others, there is no “hope.”
Helper’s high
What about those of us on the other hand, though, who seem to have a desire to help others? It has been shown by medical and psychological research that “helping” others gives a chemical “atta boy” to the brains of those who are the helpers. This chemical “reward” for doing good reinforces the desire to “help” others. We are genetically programmed as a species to “do good.” It is rewarding to us and has helped keep the human race alive because we cooperate, help each other, and are to some extent altruistic.
The “pleasure” centers in the human brain respond to chemical stimuli from various sources—from orgasm, from doing good, from various drugs, and from various activities, such as “the runner’s high” that come from physical exertion. It has even been shown that working with your hands to produce something useful gives a chemical reward to the brain. That may be why people like to knit, crochet, build things, fix food, etc. But why, when the reward for “doing good” to someone, especially someone you love, is also accompanied by such intense emotional and/or physical pain, do we keep on doing what causes us pain as well as the “reward” for doing good? Why are we willing to endure the pain in addition to receiving the “reward” for “doing good?”
Narcissism
Some people high in psychopathic traits seem to be extremely high in narcissism, to the point that it is very obvious that they value themselves so far above others as to absolutely have no idea that anyone else has any value at all. They view others as lower than an object, but to the point that the very existence of other people is an insult to the highly narcissistic person. It seems as if the chemical reward for them for “doing good” is replaced by the desire for control.
If the narcissism is very apparent, people around the narcissist may notice this to the point that they don’t want to be around such a person. He is considered “stuck up” and we have probably been told from grade school on up that we should not “brag on ourselves” because it isn’t polite and others won’t like us. So the narcissism that is very apparent may be “off putting” to others around the person. Many people who are very narcissistic, though, have trained themselves not to appear as narcissistic as they actually feel. In other words, they have learned “good manners,” or to mask their true emotions. Those that don’t learn to conceal high levels of narcissism may not be very “popular.” A healthy level of narcissism, though, is an accurate self-assessment of your own abilities. The person who is very narcissistic may not be actually as smart or as competent as he thinks he is, however.
Self-assessment
I’m smart. I know that. I am capable and very able in learning how to do complex tasks such as fly an aircraft, knit, crochet, built things, train animals. I have led a life based on being a “can do” person. I’m somewhat justifiably proud of what I have accomplished in my life. That narcissism is a healthy level of self-assessment of my talents and abilities—yet my narcissism went further than that, I think, into making me think that there was nothing I couldn’t accomplish. Because I could do so many things, and do them well, I overestimated my ability to cope with the people in my life who were high in psychopathic traits and dysfunctional in relationships. I was too narcissistic in thinking I was able to accomplish the impossible—fixing dysfunctional relationships and dysfunctional people.
I think in part, my narcissism was because there were so few things I couldn’t accomplish if I set my mind to it and worked hard at acquiring the knowledge and skills to learn a new task, and perform it well. It never occurred to me that I could not also be “successful” in fixing a bad relationship with a person who had no conscience. Just as my psychopathic son, Patrick, who is extremely bright and also extremely narcissistic, never had any trouble in school, decided there was no one on earth as smart as he was, and that because he was smart, he could “get away with” anything. It never occurred to him that there were cops that were “smart enough” to catch him. Even when he was caught in his most violent crimes, crimes he didn’t even try to cover up, it never occurred to him that he would not be successful next time. When he was caught again, his narcissistic idea that he was the smartest, most capable person on Earth didn’t let him realize that he was wrong. His narcissism precluded him having an accurate self-assessment, or assessment of the capabilities of others.
I too was very narcissistic in my appraisal of my own abilities to effect change in these people, no matter how many times I failed in effecting change in them. No matter how many times I failed, or how bad the pain was because of my failure, it never dawned on me that I wasn’t capable of success if I just tried harder in this endeavor. If I just gave more of myself, if I was just more selfless, more giving, surely next time I would succeed. My own narcissism kept me in the game. My own desire to effect change in someone else’s behavior was fueled by my narcissism, by my poor self-assessment of my abilities.
Ignoring the danger
If a horse or a steer was aggressive and I was not able to effect change in the animal’s behavior, I would eventually give up when the animal continued to try to hurt me. I could at some point come to the conclusion that the potential harm to myself was not worth the effort of trying to control the animal’s violent tendencies. Though I am an excellent animal trainer, I know that not even the best animal trainer in the world can make some animals safe to work with, and the danger of trying to continue to do so foolish. Why could I not see that where it concerned dangerous humans?
Why was I willing to put myself, my life and my health, to say nothing of my happiness and peace, at risk in order to maintain a “relationship” with dangerous people for extended periods of time, decades in some cases? Why did I focus on the potential reward of changing their abusive behavior instead of on the pain they caused?
Family secrets
Part of the answer, I believe, lies in the way I was conditioned in my family, that the family “secrets” must be kept at all costs so that the “neighbors didn’t know.” This culture of shame, and covering up the general knowledge in the larger community that our family was not a “nice normal family” was handed down for generations by abusers and enablers working together to hide the family dysfunction. I participated in this “cover up” by keeping information about my son Patrick’s crimes from general knowledge of my extended family and “the neighbors” for years. I participated in the family myth that he had “found Jesus” when I knew otherwise. I participated in “family Christmas” celebrations that were a travesty and were anything except a “Norman Rockwell Christmas.” I think partly because I was so narcissistic that I thought if I just kept up the pretense long enough it would become real ”¦ especially if the “neighbors didn’t know.”
My coming out of this FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) was traumatic for me as well as for my family members who were as invested in this fantasy family as I was. That change from the status quo on my part released the “hounds of hell” within the family dynamics and resulted in my psychopathic son, Patrick, sending one of his ex-convict buddies to try to regain control of the family, since he couldn’t do this by emotional manipulation from inside his prison cell. He would kill me, if that is what it took in order for him to regain control. Several members of my family co-conspired with him, or at least knew what was going on and did nothing to stop the attack on me. Maintaining the status quo within the dysfunctional family was of paramount importance for everyone involved. Maintaining the FOG without change felt secure to them. Life was predictable. Change was scary.
Seeing the light
It was only the fear of actually losing my life that made me “see the light,” and see just how dangerously I had been behaving in trying to convince myself that I could effect change in these people. They had no conscience, no empathy, and enjoyed a high level of narcissism that made them believe themselves invincible. I too had felt invincible, and was way too narcissistic in my own self-assessment of what my capabilities were. I could not control these people, I could not change them, and they were too dangerous to deal with.
Now I try to look at myself more realistically, and to see that while I am a smart, capable person, there are some things that I am not capable of, and I need to be aware of these things. While I was realistic and humble enough to realize that there are some animals I can’t safely train, I am now humble enough to admit there are some dangerous people I can’t afford to associate with either, no matter how altruistic I feel or how much reward I get from helping others. The rewards I get from being “helpful” to others must also be tempered with the humility that I am not all-powerful in my abilities with people, any more than I am with animals. Just as I must assess the potential benefit of helping a person or training an animal, I must also assess the potential “costs” in terms I can afford to pay. While I still feel good when I am able to help someone else, I am no longer willing to overlook the repeated bad behavior of others and convince myself that if I am just “helpful enough” that I can change them.
I must take responsibility for my own life, my own behavior, and set my boundaries in such a way that I eliminate those dangerous relationships, no matter how smart or capable I am in other aspects of my life. There are just some things we can’t accomplish no matter how hard we work, and changing someone else is one of those things.
sunday nite i didnt allow my bf to disarm me (just looking at him makes me lose my nerve as his eyes and smile make me revert to spath-coping: doing ANYthing, putting up with ANYthing to have him in my life).
Anyway, i was able to get him to sorta say he wasnt in love with me even if he still said he loves me. i fed him all the words (u were just in love with the idea of being in love, etc) and he said them. i just needed to hear him say it. he’s not a spath so becuz im a nice person he doesnt want to hurt me so he kept letting me bug him, basically–being with me but with huge limits and a huge emotional wall now put up. ok, i also happen to think he does want to be with me but hes scared shitless at making changes.
i went out with someone else sunday afternoon even, trying to move on. i have put myself on a dating site, trying to just give the man SPACE so i dont become fatal attraction material here. i realized yesterday morning i have never been with someone that didnt want to be with me (one reason i bot the spaths lies and abuse–of course he really wanted me LOL). i dated some in high school and there was one man in adulthood i dated seriously for 18mos, but i didnt want HIM so we didnt stay together—and that was a STUPID STUPID mistake. this guy was soooo a gift to me and still is a great guy now married happily.
i dont know how to deal with rejection is my problem 🙁
im not terribly attractive (usually im fat even), have always had kids and been broke so why i have not had to learn to get over men is beyond me. i did go thru a long period of time where i did not date at all–so maybe this was the normal learning curve everyone else has and i missed?
it has been over for about 3 wks now (or at least he decided he didnt want it anymore) and i didnt want it to be and cudnt hack it being and ive been hurting and hurting bad but still im hurting now. just depressed and not being a mommy hardly.
im wondering if this is the legacy im left by the spath, the inability to stop a bad thing or at least, a hurtful to me thing. cuz im sooo used to takin abuse and makin excuses how its ME, something I need to change, if i just do the rite thing or give him wat he needs at this point in his life…
i said do u want me to just give up, 3x to him sunday and he didnt answer me once. i wish his abuse cud be recognizable to me, so blatant like the spaths, instead of going dead on me like a normal person! i dont know how to function in the real world with non-spath ppl
sorry im rambling
A Truly excellent post Joyce. I have finally figured out what was wrong with him (and me). I knew for years quit doing the same thing because it’s not working . I reinvented myself 32 times.This is me for the last 25 yrs. No matter how many times I thought I was the one who failed, (or he would convince me I had failed- I always felt like I was never good enough) or how bad the pain was because of my failure, it never dawned on me that I wasn’t capable of success if I just tried harder in this endeavor. If I just gave more of myself, if I was just more selfless, more giving, surely next time I would succeed. My own narcissism kept me in the game. Oh my God, this says it all. I am SO, so, SO thankful for this website. I kept thinking over and over something was wrong with my husband (and his family dynamics). I have been to 5 counselors over the course of our marriage. I am currently in the midst of a nasty divorce. I must figure how out he can “feel” as if he is winning – or we’ll fight forever. You should’ve seen the property division worksheet he made – it was amusing. He put on it things like toaster, mixer, blender, crockpot, board games, but no mention of all the items well over several hundred dollars each that he’d already left with. Greedy pig! The best advice I’ve seen on here too is NC. NO CONTACT. Cut them off, don’t answer them, don’t call, NOTHING, deem them irrelevant, don’t give people like this the time of day. They are clamoring for space in your head. Make them stay in their own sick head, sick mind and sick thinking. Love fraud is a godsend. It took me way too long to realize that there are people like this who have no problem whatsoever with violating rules of basic human decency and if they ever feel bad, it’s only fleeting.
felling the stuffing still knocked out of me today. i went to check my email (webmail not through my software) and there is an email from n sire. !@.......#$%^&* i blocked him in outlook, but not through webmail. and because i am feeling so done in from the allergic reaction to the IV antibiotic last night and the infection in my leg i find myself reacting in a diff way than usual. i feel that ‘what if he is mad at me’ – AS IF THERE IS ANYTHING LEFT HE CAN TAKE FROM ME. I doubt the email is about my mom, probably it’s about my walking away when he showed up last weekend. or maybe about my mom’s bday. i had the same reaction to seeing it that i used to have to reading the spath’s blog…i want someone else to read it and let me know if it is anything important and if i need to deal with it. oh aghh.
one/joy ~ if I can help, let me know. If you are here right now, I can post my e-mail & then delete it as soon as you have it.
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Dear Honestkindgiver,
Welcome to LoveFraud and glad that you found validation in my article….I think the way we see ourselves as capable is part of what keeps us engaged in trying to fix them.
I can only imagine the “list of property” that he submitted. LOL I know it isn’t really funny but what can you do but laugh at such insanity! Good luck with your divorce. You do sound though like you are starting to put 2+2 together and I’m glad for you! It is only when we can realize that NO CONTACT is our salvation that we can start to mend. Welcome to LF!
Dear One/Joy,
Somewhere I missed the “IV antibiotics” and the infection, so sorry you are having serious health issues. The stress does crap out our immune system and add to our health risks.
The contact you have to have with the N-sperm donor because of your mom only increases that stress, and I can definitely understand your need to know what is in the e mail but dreading to know what he said, and the feelings that engenders.
I do think your idea to get someone else to read the e mail and say, “you need to look into this” or “blow it off” is a good idea. WONDERING about the contents of the e mail is stress in itself. Take care of YOU right now and get that iinfection cleared up. (((hugs)))
hi oxy – well, i fell in a crevice of rocks getting out of the lake and got a tiny little gash in my leg. 24 hours later I had a red area the size of my hand, so off to the emerg. i went. I sat in emerg for 6 hours in all as the red doubled in size. I talked to them about my chemical and antibiotic sensitivities and allergies and they elected to give me a drug i had never used (i have only used antibiotics 3 times in my adult life due to the number of reactions i had as a kid). instead of the one i had earlier this year that i tolerated really well. i had a reaction to it about 5 minutes in to a slow drip and spent most of the night in hospital. (they wanted me to take one drip last night and come back and do another this morn) so NOW i am on the other one i suggested they use to begin with. it is a wider spectrum antibiotic (and therefore their reticence in using it just in case i may need it again) BUT they didn’t bloody well listen to me – i have ONLY used antibiotics 3 times in my adult life! I am not a person one should ‘experiment’ on.
sigh. so in bed, losing a day of work, and feel like crap. and keeping an eye the black marker outline to make sure it doesn’t creep further. it’s quite close to my ankle, so there is concern.
and that’s my little story. i whined lots last night about it. now i just feel like crap.
patience patience patience – always my job.
Dear One,
The stress does absolutely crap out our immune systems….I kept having one life-threatening infection after another…and YOURS IS LIFE THREATENING, so stay on top of it!!!! Gosh, kiddo, that is frightening! Glad you got to the ER before you lost your leg or your life. Unfortunately when it goes like that (rapid cellulitis) there really isn’t any way to get a culture on it as there isn’t any puss to culture, so the docs sort of have to guess at what the bug is. I know that the antibiotics sometimes play heck with our systems, but if given a choice of that or death, I think I’ll take the antibiotics. I had my first ever allergic reactions (broke out from head to toe) twice with my stress-induced infections and I think, but can’t prove, the stress makes us more prone to allergic or other reactions. I’ve had way too many antibiotics in my life, but wouldn’t be alive without them, so am grateful for their availability. So take care of yourself One, can’t run lovefraud without you! LOL
Be sure and drink plenty of fluids and REST and try to stay as peaceful as you can. I’m sending you my best thoughts!
Dear Oxy ~ I did read something just recently… can’t remember where at the moment. It said something about being under stress making us more susceptible to allergic reactions.
From personal experience, it does seem as if my allergies are worse when I am stressed over a period of time. I just thought of something else too. I occasionally get cold sores aka herpes simplex 2. They also seem to occur more often when I am under stress.
back to the hospital. it’s spreading. carp. 🙁