By Joyce Alexander, RNP (Retired)
I’ve been reading some interesting books lately by some very interesting researchers in the field of psychology—Dr. Barbara Oakley dealing with the themes of altruism, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen on empathy, and others who are trying to discover what makes people altruistic and how empathy (or lack of it) affects how we behave toward our fellow men. I’ve come to some interesting conclusions concerning my own part in my abuse by multiple people who were/are high in psychopathic traits, and very low in empathy, compassion and altruistic behavior. I have wondered about my own ability to repeatedly “explain away” the abusive behavior that I experienced from family members and “friends,” and to expect that they would change their abusive behavior. What made me think that I could somehow, by appeasing them, forgiving them, and being kind and caring to these people, make them realize just how much they had hurt me, how much I had suffered at their hands? What made me think that I could effect a change in someone else’s character, or instill character into someone who so obviously had no conscience, empathy or remorse?
In my studying about psychopathic behavior in former associates and in family members who have actually repeatedly done horrific violence to others as well as toward me, including battery, rape and actual murders, I have finally come to the conclusion, like many researchers, Dr. Robert Hare, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen and Dr. Barbara Oakley, that there is little if any chance that a person who is very high in psychopathic traits and very low in empathy, without conscience or the ability to feel remorse for their behavior, is going to effectively change, either in their thinking or their behavior. That much finally got through to me. There are some things that are impossible to do no matter how capable you are.
When a person has had a life-long pattern of bad and/or violent behavior, does not have effective empathy, which is necessary for a person to have a conscience (a personality disorder), the likelihood of change is minimal. “The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior” is a truism that is not likely to change, no matter how “politically correct” it is to wish otherwise.
There are some instances when a person has a medical condition (either genetic or acquired) that keeps them from having empathy—autism or brain damage from a stroke or head injury, for example. But not all people who are without “normal” levels of empathy are violent or seem to enjoy hurting others. For those people lacking empathy and conscience, who do seem to enjoy control over others, or simply seem to enjoy hurting others, there is no “hope.”
Helper’s high
What about those of us on the other hand, though, who seem to have a desire to help others? It has been shown by medical and psychological research that “helping” others gives a chemical “atta boy” to the brains of those who are the helpers. This chemical “reward” for doing good reinforces the desire to “help” others. We are genetically programmed as a species to “do good.” It is rewarding to us and has helped keep the human race alive because we cooperate, help each other, and are to some extent altruistic.
The “pleasure” centers in the human brain respond to chemical stimuli from various sources—from orgasm, from doing good, from various drugs, and from various activities, such as “the runner’s high” that come from physical exertion. It has even been shown that working with your hands to produce something useful gives a chemical reward to the brain. That may be why people like to knit, crochet, build things, fix food, etc. But why, when the reward for “doing good” to someone, especially someone you love, is also accompanied by such intense emotional and/or physical pain, do we keep on doing what causes us pain as well as the “reward” for doing good? Why are we willing to endure the pain in addition to receiving the “reward” for “doing good?”
Narcissism
Some people high in psychopathic traits seem to be extremely high in narcissism, to the point that it is very obvious that they value themselves so far above others as to absolutely have no idea that anyone else has any value at all. They view others as lower than an object, but to the point that the very existence of other people is an insult to the highly narcissistic person. It seems as if the chemical reward for them for “doing good” is replaced by the desire for control.
If the narcissism is very apparent, people around the narcissist may notice this to the point that they don’t want to be around such a person. He is considered “stuck up” and we have probably been told from grade school on up that we should not “brag on ourselves” because it isn’t polite and others won’t like us. So the narcissism that is very apparent may be “off putting” to others around the person. Many people who are very narcissistic, though, have trained themselves not to appear as narcissistic as they actually feel. In other words, they have learned “good manners,” or to mask their true emotions. Those that don’t learn to conceal high levels of narcissism may not be very “popular.” A healthy level of narcissism, though, is an accurate self-assessment of your own abilities. The person who is very narcissistic may not be actually as smart or as competent as he thinks he is, however.
Self-assessment
I’m smart. I know that. I am capable and very able in learning how to do complex tasks such as fly an aircraft, knit, crochet, built things, train animals. I have led a life based on being a “can do” person. I’m somewhat justifiably proud of what I have accomplished in my life. That narcissism is a healthy level of self-assessment of my talents and abilities—yet my narcissism went further than that, I think, into making me think that there was nothing I couldn’t accomplish. Because I could do so many things, and do them well, I overestimated my ability to cope with the people in my life who were high in psychopathic traits and dysfunctional in relationships. I was too narcissistic in thinking I was able to accomplish the impossible—fixing dysfunctional relationships and dysfunctional people.
I think in part, my narcissism was because there were so few things I couldn’t accomplish if I set my mind to it and worked hard at acquiring the knowledge and skills to learn a new task, and perform it well. It never occurred to me that I could not also be “successful” in fixing a bad relationship with a person who had no conscience. Just as my psychopathic son, Patrick, who is extremely bright and also extremely narcissistic, never had any trouble in school, decided there was no one on earth as smart as he was, and that because he was smart, he could “get away with” anything. It never occurred to him that there were cops that were “smart enough” to catch him. Even when he was caught in his most violent crimes, crimes he didn’t even try to cover up, it never occurred to him that he would not be successful next time. When he was caught again, his narcissistic idea that he was the smartest, most capable person on Earth didn’t let him realize that he was wrong. His narcissism precluded him having an accurate self-assessment, or assessment of the capabilities of others.
I too was very narcissistic in my appraisal of my own abilities to effect change in these people, no matter how many times I failed in effecting change in them. No matter how many times I failed, or how bad the pain was because of my failure, it never dawned on me that I wasn’t capable of success if I just tried harder in this endeavor. If I just gave more of myself, if I was just more selfless, more giving, surely next time I would succeed. My own narcissism kept me in the game. My own desire to effect change in someone else’s behavior was fueled by my narcissism, by my poor self-assessment of my abilities.
Ignoring the danger
If a horse or a steer was aggressive and I was not able to effect change in the animal’s behavior, I would eventually give up when the animal continued to try to hurt me. I could at some point come to the conclusion that the potential harm to myself was not worth the effort of trying to control the animal’s violent tendencies. Though I am an excellent animal trainer, I know that not even the best animal trainer in the world can make some animals safe to work with, and the danger of trying to continue to do so foolish. Why could I not see that where it concerned dangerous humans?
Why was I willing to put myself, my life and my health, to say nothing of my happiness and peace, at risk in order to maintain a “relationship” with dangerous people for extended periods of time, decades in some cases? Why did I focus on the potential reward of changing their abusive behavior instead of on the pain they caused?
Family secrets
Part of the answer, I believe, lies in the way I was conditioned in my family, that the family “secrets” must be kept at all costs so that the “neighbors didn’t know.” This culture of shame, and covering up the general knowledge in the larger community that our family was not a “nice normal family” was handed down for generations by abusers and enablers working together to hide the family dysfunction. I participated in this “cover up” by keeping information about my son Patrick’s crimes from general knowledge of my extended family and “the neighbors” for years. I participated in the family myth that he had “found Jesus” when I knew otherwise. I participated in “family Christmas” celebrations that were a travesty and were anything except a “Norman Rockwell Christmas.” I think partly because I was so narcissistic that I thought if I just kept up the pretense long enough it would become real ”¦ especially if the “neighbors didn’t know.”
My coming out of this FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) was traumatic for me as well as for my family members who were as invested in this fantasy family as I was. That change from the status quo on my part released the “hounds of hell” within the family dynamics and resulted in my psychopathic son, Patrick, sending one of his ex-convict buddies to try to regain control of the family, since he couldn’t do this by emotional manipulation from inside his prison cell. He would kill me, if that is what it took in order for him to regain control. Several members of my family co-conspired with him, or at least knew what was going on and did nothing to stop the attack on me. Maintaining the status quo within the dysfunctional family was of paramount importance for everyone involved. Maintaining the FOG without change felt secure to them. Life was predictable. Change was scary.
Seeing the light
It was only the fear of actually losing my life that made me “see the light,” and see just how dangerously I had been behaving in trying to convince myself that I could effect change in these people. They had no conscience, no empathy, and enjoyed a high level of narcissism that made them believe themselves invincible. I too had felt invincible, and was way too narcissistic in my own self-assessment of what my capabilities were. I could not control these people, I could not change them, and they were too dangerous to deal with.
Now I try to look at myself more realistically, and to see that while I am a smart, capable person, there are some things that I am not capable of, and I need to be aware of these things. While I was realistic and humble enough to realize that there are some animals I can’t safely train, I am now humble enough to admit there are some dangerous people I can’t afford to associate with either, no matter how altruistic I feel or how much reward I get from helping others. The rewards I get from being “helpful” to others must also be tempered with the humility that I am not all-powerful in my abilities with people, any more than I am with animals. Just as I must assess the potential benefit of helping a person or training an animal, I must also assess the potential “costs” in terms I can afford to pay. While I still feel good when I am able to help someone else, I am no longer willing to overlook the repeated bad behavior of others and convince myself that if I am just “helpful enough” that I can change them.
I must take responsibility for my own life, my own behavior, and set my boundaries in such a way that I eliminate those dangerous relationships, no matter how smart or capable I am in other aspects of my life. There are just some things we can’t accomplish no matter how hard we work, and changing someone else is one of those things.
Excellent article, Oxy!! I think many of us can relate to all of it — and this question in particular resonates with me:
“What made me think that I could effect a change in someone else’s character, or instill character into someone who so obviously had no conscience, empathy or remorse?”
Good luck to all of us who are just starting out on the No Contact path. It’s hard at times. But it comes down to one question, I think: Do we want to be happy and healthier, or would we rather continue to self-destruct? It’s up to us.
I have another question that’s been weighing on me. Do sex addicts ever lose their drive (or testosterone levels), thereby “curing themselves” simply because of biology or age? My spath has repeatedly told me that he has a high sex drive, so it made me wonder if he’ll be a better person (and no longer a cheater) if and when that sex drive lessens. Not that I want to go back to him! Just curious to hear what you guys think. Thanks!
Thank you Oxy! You and other authors here have helped me finally get it through my thick skull there is no changing a spath. I have only been on here within the last few months reading and sharing my story about my step-daughter who nearly put my wife in jail for child abuse. And within this time, you and others have taught me to move on whether it is through NC or just a mental switch to not take the contact with the spath with any seriousness. Your artical puts it all in perspective and will help me keep my expectations in check.
SnowSettled,
I came back here to see if anyone has posted answers/suggestions to your three questions, as I have those, too. But then I remembered an article here about making a list of his behaviors that are hurtful to you, or that you would think were deal breakers with someone else. Keep the list with you, make copies, read often, especially when you are doubting yourself. I haven’t done it yet, haven’t wanted to face it. (Actually, I made one about a year ago. It had 20 points. And that was before the horrible times of the last two months. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah…)
Then take that list and look at those irrefutable facts, and think about whether or not numbers 1, 2 and 3 really matter. I’ve wondered so many times why I let him talk to and treat me the way he did. Nobody has ever DARED to talk to me like that. Why could he get away with it? Is this what LOVE really is?
Dear Snowsettled,
Just to let you know, I have a psychopathic son in prison for murder and he used all those arguments your psychopath used to you for you to keep on “supporting” him….it doesn’t matter if it is a son, husband, wife, daughter, friend, or whatever….the point is that after years of studying behavior….FINALLY I realized there is NO SUCH THING AS AN EX CONVICT, OR AN EX RAPIST, OR AN EX CHILD MOLESTER…..one person MIGHT have one crime and reform but NOT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.
Studies have shown that most convicts are VERY HIGH in the traits of psychopaths, and that 25 % of them are “card carrying” psychopaths and with your psychopath having 1) multiple arrests for crimes, and 2) being arrested for what I assume is a serious crime, probably murder, there is ZERO CHANCE he will “reform” he is pulling the wool over your eyes.
Get away from him, stay away from him….YOU DO NOT OWE HIM ANYTHING. Even if you two were married, you owe him nothing. Do not read any more letters and don’t take any more phone calls. You have a chance to get away from him between now and the trial. USE IT FOR ALL IT IS WORTH. God bless.
Thank you one step joy, and sky, for your comments on another thread,{which Ive lost.}Yes, Im gradually emerging into the light! Funny how our unconscious gives us clues.
Last night, i dreamed that Deb,{my spath daughter,}was just born, and placed in my arms. I was so thrilled, and proud. Immediatly, she latched onto one of my breasts,-nothing wrong with that, she was a new baby an
d hungry!Except she was sucking thru my clothes. Sucking sucking. As she sucked, I felt all my life force draining out of me, leaving me an empty husk.
“Get her off of me!” I cried. “Shes sucking me dry!”
This a reference to her sucking me dry financially and emotionally since the age of 16 to 45.I knew I had to tear this “thing” off of me, for my very survival. I woke up wrung out, in a cold sweat.
Shaking all over in fear.
love,
Mama GemXX
Dear Gem,
It IS AMAZING how our dreams tell us things about them isn’t it? I know the dream must have been unpleasant, but at the same time, even your subconscious is starting to realize that she is an emotional as well as financial vampire. Good fo ryou!
I recently had a dream that I was covering the Oscars, and George Clooney walked up to ask if I’d like to be his date for the ceremony. (LOL) Of course I said yes. Suddenly we were at another location, waiting on a table at a restaurant, and I glance over to see that the dude had grown about a foot and a half. He was gigantic. “Hmm,” I thought. “This isn’t George Clooney.”
As he signed autographs and posed for pictures, I slowly started to notice that his face wasn’t even that cute — he was morphing into the imposter that he really was. And then the real George walked up behind us, tapped me on the shoulder and told me he just wanted me to see the truth.
All sorts of meaning there, huh?!
Thank you so much all for the replies so far. I was having an extremely dark day, and it made my heart feel so much lighter to come back and see the insightful words.
Sarahsmile: It’s amazing that even though we find these behaviors so subtle and hard to explain to others, it only takes a few words, and then someone who knows exactly what you mean immediately identifies.
‘The way he talks to me’ has recently become one of those irrefutable facts for me too. When I begin to question myself in the way that he can lead me into- about whether I am overreacting or too emotional, I wonder if I am this way and act it around everyone. Then I realize that no one else would even talk to me that way if they truly had any respect for me. I’m not the crazy one, even if I may feel it so much recently!
I honestly don’t even think he sees anything wrong with it, and I’ve told him as much, which perhaps makes it even more frightening. How can we be under the illusion we can change a person, when they can’t see something/don’t want to that is so blindingly obvious to others. Unfortunately now, most of our interactions occur with no one else present, but when he was out of prison there were occasions that people observed the way he spoke to me and were shocked. He didn’t pay attention to them either.
I am definitely going to take your advice on writing that list. I have been trying to do a lot of writing recently so that I can order it all in my mind. I also like to write down things that I know would occur if I break No Contact. For example, the way the conversation would go if I picked up the phone, and how I know I would feel afterwards.
You are right, we get so focused in on the details instead of the big picture, and my questions are a part of that I guess. I think it’s because we are trying to figure something out that is just not logical, so being living, breathing, feeling humans we struggle and struggle to make sense of it.
I really hope that going through this same thing at the same time will help us both remain strong with our No Contact!
Candy: Yes, you’re right. The reason he is in prison, it’s all him. In fact, this last time he was out, he couldn’t have had a better shot at a good life, it was all on the table for him, and he threw it away. This gave him a third felony and since he’s in a “three-strikes” law state, that’s why he’s now facing the life sentence.
He always says he wasn’t in his right mind when he committed that last crime. I’m beginning to realize this is one example of many where he doesn’t take responsibility. Shifting the blame as you said, that’s perfectly it. I read back through letters I have sent him because I almost thought I hadn’t been clear enough with him due to his response that seemed completely mismatched to my feelings.
But my letter and my explanations were right on.
Skylar: Yes, I do feel that if he cared enough about not being in prison, he wouldn’t have committed another felony 1.5 months after being out again, in front of video cameras no less. So I’m thinking you are right, he doesn’t care. Well up to the point that being in prison limits his opportunities anyway.
He loves to tell me that I don’t care about it or him, probably because he knows that’s something I will fight and it gets a reaction out of me. You are most definitely right about the drama.
Ox Drover: Yes, I have begun to understand this time before the trial the same way. I will now have a couple of months to distance myself if the worst occurs and he is let go. Although, it wasn’t murder, one of his crimes was violent and he gets into numerous problems in prison, which is one of the key things that has led me over the months to realize who he is when he’s not talking to me.
Again, thank you all so far, it has been so helpful, especially since it’s evening time now and that means my phone will keep ringing over and over from him for the next couple of hours- The strength to keep up the No Contact must come first and foremost. I feel like the first few days of it are the hardest and most stressful, being pulled in different directions, between what you believe, what you have been manipulated into, and what you are beginning to see as the truth and the light.
Dear Snow,
NO CONTACT allows us to “decompress” from the pressure of their lies and manipulations.
I highly support the 3 STRIKES laws and putting habitual criminals in prison for NATURAL LIFE. By the time someone has committed 3 felonies, they have shown that they are NOT going to reform.
My psychopathic son has been out only less than a year total since he was 17, he is 40 now, he went from crime to bigger crime in a matter of months. They do NOT FEAR prison the way you or I would, and they do NOT learn from their consequences of their behavior because they put the BLAME on someone else. They do not accept responsibility…it is always someone else’s fault that they did x, y or z.
aliciad:
I’m not sure about the high sex drive waning as men get older. I think it does a bit, but not enough for them to stop completely doing what they are doing. Look at all the men in their 60s and even 70s who are still predators.