By Joyce Alexander, RNP (Retired)
I’ve been reading some interesting books lately by some very interesting researchers in the field of psychology—Dr. Barbara Oakley dealing with the themes of altruism, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen on empathy, and others who are trying to discover what makes people altruistic and how empathy (or lack of it) affects how we behave toward our fellow men. I’ve come to some interesting conclusions concerning my own part in my abuse by multiple people who were/are high in psychopathic traits, and very low in empathy, compassion and altruistic behavior. I have wondered about my own ability to repeatedly “explain away” the abusive behavior that I experienced from family members and “friends,” and to expect that they would change their abusive behavior. What made me think that I could somehow, by appeasing them, forgiving them, and being kind and caring to these people, make them realize just how much they had hurt me, how much I had suffered at their hands? What made me think that I could effect a change in someone else’s character, or instill character into someone who so obviously had no conscience, empathy or remorse?
In my studying about psychopathic behavior in former associates and in family members who have actually repeatedly done horrific violence to others as well as toward me, including battery, rape and actual murders, I have finally come to the conclusion, like many researchers, Dr. Robert Hare, Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen and Dr. Barbara Oakley, that there is little if any chance that a person who is very high in psychopathic traits and very low in empathy, without conscience or the ability to feel remorse for their behavior, is going to effectively change, either in their thinking or their behavior. That much finally got through to me. There are some things that are impossible to do no matter how capable you are.
When a person has had a life-long pattern of bad and/or violent behavior, does not have effective empathy, which is necessary for a person to have a conscience (a personality disorder), the likelihood of change is minimal. “The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior” is a truism that is not likely to change, no matter how “politically correct” it is to wish otherwise.
There are some instances when a person has a medical condition (either genetic or acquired) that keeps them from having empathy—autism or brain damage from a stroke or head injury, for example. But not all people who are without “normal” levels of empathy are violent or seem to enjoy hurting others. For those people lacking empathy and conscience, who do seem to enjoy control over others, or simply seem to enjoy hurting others, there is no “hope.”
Helper’s high
What about those of us on the other hand, though, who seem to have a desire to help others? It has been shown by medical and psychological research that “helping” others gives a chemical “atta boy” to the brains of those who are the helpers. This chemical “reward” for doing good reinforces the desire to “help” others. We are genetically programmed as a species to “do good.” It is rewarding to us and has helped keep the human race alive because we cooperate, help each other, and are to some extent altruistic.
The “pleasure” centers in the human brain respond to chemical stimuli from various sources—from orgasm, from doing good, from various drugs, and from various activities, such as “the runner’s high” that come from physical exertion. It has even been shown that working with your hands to produce something useful gives a chemical reward to the brain. That may be why people like to knit, crochet, build things, fix food, etc. But why, when the reward for “doing good” to someone, especially someone you love, is also accompanied by such intense emotional and/or physical pain, do we keep on doing what causes us pain as well as the “reward” for doing good? Why are we willing to endure the pain in addition to receiving the “reward” for “doing good?”
Narcissism
Some people high in psychopathic traits seem to be extremely high in narcissism, to the point that it is very obvious that they value themselves so far above others as to absolutely have no idea that anyone else has any value at all. They view others as lower than an object, but to the point that the very existence of other people is an insult to the highly narcissistic person. It seems as if the chemical reward for them for “doing good” is replaced by the desire for control.
If the narcissism is very apparent, people around the narcissist may notice this to the point that they don’t want to be around such a person. He is considered “stuck up” and we have probably been told from grade school on up that we should not “brag on ourselves” because it isn’t polite and others won’t like us. So the narcissism that is very apparent may be “off putting” to others around the person. Many people who are very narcissistic, though, have trained themselves not to appear as narcissistic as they actually feel. In other words, they have learned “good manners,” or to mask their true emotions. Those that don’t learn to conceal high levels of narcissism may not be very “popular.” A healthy level of narcissism, though, is an accurate self-assessment of your own abilities. The person who is very narcissistic may not be actually as smart or as competent as he thinks he is, however.
Self-assessment
I’m smart. I know that. I am capable and very able in learning how to do complex tasks such as fly an aircraft, knit, crochet, built things, train animals. I have led a life based on being a “can do” person. I’m somewhat justifiably proud of what I have accomplished in my life. That narcissism is a healthy level of self-assessment of my talents and abilities—yet my narcissism went further than that, I think, into making me think that there was nothing I couldn’t accomplish. Because I could do so many things, and do them well, I overestimated my ability to cope with the people in my life who were high in psychopathic traits and dysfunctional in relationships. I was too narcissistic in thinking I was able to accomplish the impossible—fixing dysfunctional relationships and dysfunctional people.
I think in part, my narcissism was because there were so few things I couldn’t accomplish if I set my mind to it and worked hard at acquiring the knowledge and skills to learn a new task, and perform it well. It never occurred to me that I could not also be “successful” in fixing a bad relationship with a person who had no conscience. Just as my psychopathic son, Patrick, who is extremely bright and also extremely narcissistic, never had any trouble in school, decided there was no one on earth as smart as he was, and that because he was smart, he could “get away with” anything. It never occurred to him that there were cops that were “smart enough” to catch him. Even when he was caught in his most violent crimes, crimes he didn’t even try to cover up, it never occurred to him that he would not be successful next time. When he was caught again, his narcissistic idea that he was the smartest, most capable person on Earth didn’t let him realize that he was wrong. His narcissism precluded him having an accurate self-assessment, or assessment of the capabilities of others.
I too was very narcissistic in my appraisal of my own abilities to effect change in these people, no matter how many times I failed in effecting change in them. No matter how many times I failed, or how bad the pain was because of my failure, it never dawned on me that I wasn’t capable of success if I just tried harder in this endeavor. If I just gave more of myself, if I was just more selfless, more giving, surely next time I would succeed. My own narcissism kept me in the game. My own desire to effect change in someone else’s behavior was fueled by my narcissism, by my poor self-assessment of my abilities.
Ignoring the danger
If a horse or a steer was aggressive and I was not able to effect change in the animal’s behavior, I would eventually give up when the animal continued to try to hurt me. I could at some point come to the conclusion that the potential harm to myself was not worth the effort of trying to control the animal’s violent tendencies. Though I am an excellent animal trainer, I know that not even the best animal trainer in the world can make some animals safe to work with, and the danger of trying to continue to do so foolish. Why could I not see that where it concerned dangerous humans?
Why was I willing to put myself, my life and my health, to say nothing of my happiness and peace, at risk in order to maintain a “relationship” with dangerous people for extended periods of time, decades in some cases? Why did I focus on the potential reward of changing their abusive behavior instead of on the pain they caused?
Family secrets
Part of the answer, I believe, lies in the way I was conditioned in my family, that the family “secrets” must be kept at all costs so that the “neighbors didn’t know.” This culture of shame, and covering up the general knowledge in the larger community that our family was not a “nice normal family” was handed down for generations by abusers and enablers working together to hide the family dysfunction. I participated in this “cover up” by keeping information about my son Patrick’s crimes from general knowledge of my extended family and “the neighbors” for years. I participated in the family myth that he had “found Jesus” when I knew otherwise. I participated in “family Christmas” celebrations that were a travesty and were anything except a “Norman Rockwell Christmas.” I think partly because I was so narcissistic that I thought if I just kept up the pretense long enough it would become real ”¦ especially if the “neighbors didn’t know.”
My coming out of this FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) was traumatic for me as well as for my family members who were as invested in this fantasy family as I was. That change from the status quo on my part released the “hounds of hell” within the family dynamics and resulted in my psychopathic son, Patrick, sending one of his ex-convict buddies to try to regain control of the family, since he couldn’t do this by emotional manipulation from inside his prison cell. He would kill me, if that is what it took in order for him to regain control. Several members of my family co-conspired with him, or at least knew what was going on and did nothing to stop the attack on me. Maintaining the status quo within the dysfunctional family was of paramount importance for everyone involved. Maintaining the FOG without change felt secure to them. Life was predictable. Change was scary.
Seeing the light
It was only the fear of actually losing my life that made me “see the light,” and see just how dangerously I had been behaving in trying to convince myself that I could effect change in these people. They had no conscience, no empathy, and enjoyed a high level of narcissism that made them believe themselves invincible. I too had felt invincible, and was way too narcissistic in my own self-assessment of what my capabilities were. I could not control these people, I could not change them, and they were too dangerous to deal with.
Now I try to look at myself more realistically, and to see that while I am a smart, capable person, there are some things that I am not capable of, and I need to be aware of these things. While I was realistic and humble enough to realize that there are some animals I can’t safely train, I am now humble enough to admit there are some dangerous people I can’t afford to associate with either, no matter how altruistic I feel or how much reward I get from helping others. The rewards I get from being “helpful” to others must also be tempered with the humility that I am not all-powerful in my abilities with people, any more than I am with animals. Just as I must assess the potential benefit of helping a person or training an animal, I must also assess the potential “costs” in terms I can afford to pay. While I still feel good when I am able to help someone else, I am no longer willing to overlook the repeated bad behavior of others and convince myself that if I am just “helpful enough” that I can change them.
I must take responsibility for my own life, my own behavior, and set my boundaries in such a way that I eliminate those dangerous relationships, no matter how smart or capable I am in other aspects of my life. There are just some things we can’t accomplish no matter how hard we work, and changing someone else is one of those things.
Oxy – what you have dubbed narcissism (in yourself) would be called co-dependence, the dark side of ‘people pleasing’, part of the karpman drama triangle or egotism by others. I don’t know that it matters what it is called, but that we know what it does to us and our lives, that it usually comes from living with dysfunctional and disordered people, and how to effectively change it within ourselves and save our own lives.
i know that I can get to what I call codependency via many paths. living with my family….through my religion, through working with dysfunctional bosses….and trying to warn the the dupes of the the spath who spathed me. I think it has a lot to do with control and being in intolerable circumstances – we either hang on harder and harder until it twists and kills us or we let go.
you have learned to let go. it’s a huge learning, and one that most of us who have these tendencies have had to learn over and over again to change our behaviours.
i had an interesting experience with a fellow i have talked about here before. he is a business colleague and someone i work with from time to time. i have known him for 4 years or so. i have very high respect for this fellow – he is an amazing connector who is spectacular at his job. we have never been friends – we don’t do things outside of business dealings. but we are very friendly business colleagues.
it turns out his marriage is unraveling. I sensed this about a year ago and it just freaked me out on principle – in general i was pretty easy to freak out at that point, but i also knew that i absolutely didn’t want to know about it. a few weeks ago we met to discuss my ‘reformed n’ executuve director (now ex exec director, yay!) , and my colleague starts to talk about about his home situation. i was very guarded and circumspect. i am so wary of others drama after the spath – it flat out scares me.
i talked with a mutual friend who asked how he was doing. i thought about how there has been a big big silence (energetically) around him for the last 2 weeks, and just called to say i am thinking of you – because i figure he is really struggling. he called back and was very grateful for the call. this time i did not hold back my thoughts, i was not circumspect – i was clear and forthright with him about what i saw of his situation….now, comes the hard part: my reaction to being open and forthright, and saying something to someone who is in a big drama (the spath WAS ALWAYS IN A BIG DRAMA AND I AM DRAMA-ED OUT!). I was pretty shakey for most of the day. BUT I REBOUNDED! I AM OKAY TODAY. i had a similar experience last week with being forthright. scared/ shaky/ rebound (with mom and n sire). I think i am making some progress.
I know i will not get heavy into supporting this colleague. just won’t, just can’t, just don’t want to. I don’t want to fix him, but am not completely sure why i reached out to him given my aversion to drama and my inability to deal with it (right down to a physical inability). i like him very very much – he is good guy. i did have something that needed saying. i know in my heart that what makes him brilliant at his work, is part of what has messed up his marriage. and maybe i will talk about that with him someday and maybe i won’t, but it was so important for me to be honest with him – even if doing so was an emotional risk. i think i need to grow a skin again, and i think it will involve taking some risks and NOT reacting to every drama around me as if it were under my skin. (Insert PTSD jingle here.)
i have been thinking about this the last few days – how do i apply what i have learned post spath and apply it in my day to day? How do i start living and engaging and NOT BE STOOPID?! I am such a sensual impulsive creature, and i have done without so much for so long – i am more deprived than i was when the spath came along (one of the reasons she could snare me). i mean, i just ache and yearn for life…..i am at risk all the time if i open up to people.
i think i need to look at what is going well in my work relationships. and how i am doing okay. i feel lots of anger in my gut and it’s about a lack of love in my life. it’s a really strong strong anger. i have had to go into my workplace several times in the last 2 weeks and i am sick for it, so i also have to recognize that this is not the best time to try to understand my feelings…i have to just let them be. tonight, instead of ruminating i started cleaning.
i will have a rommie in a couple of weeks. seems SHE is real and will be here soon. (she is coming from overseas) i sure hope it goes okay….!!! i made the decision slowly with much trepidation (I checked her out, but you never know). i have to admit that she comes from the country that the fake boy supposedly did, and this caught my attention when i saw the email asking if anyone had a room for her. silly one step. (one laugh i get is – if the spath ever calls she will get someone with the REAL accent. snort)
i have a LOT to do to get the place ready (find, buy and hang a door, move all the computer tech (involves drilling holes in walls) major cleaning in the room she will be in and a whole lot of cleaning and organizing. I have been tossing stuff out for weeks – i don’t work so fast! but i have been making progress. i now have to reach out to some folks and get some help to get things done. and i think that’s if for this post.
onestep – I am butting in here, and this is just my opinion..I think all people have times of drama and chaos and need support or a shoulder or an ear, we need to vent, get different opinions etc…kinda like having a good cry and feeling better afterwards…
It’s people who live in a constant state of drama and chaos, people who feed on it that I avoid, it may take me a few times to realize I need to back off cause this person needs rescued over and over, but if someone is having a bad day or breakup of a relationship and they need to share the burden for a wee bit, shouldnt we of all people offer an ear or a hug and some encouragement?
hey there butt in hens! 🙂
yes, what you say is about NORMAL. normal is pretty screy these days – after evil, it is hard for me to gauge what is ‘normal’. with some people it’s not so hard, especially if i don’t know them well. i kinda go with my instincts. there is a guy who i know thorugh work who just moved out of town. i had a talk with him one day and thought he was really interesting. told him to give me a shout when he was in town. he did and we went for a walk last weekend. i am trying, but it freaked me out a bit – wondering what HIS motivations are (i don;t mean sexaul blah blah, just as a person). I obviously want to let people in again, just freaked out by it when i do. so, i guess i need to go slow, try to keep it real, back off when i get freaked, and realize that i will undoubtedly make some mistakes. it’s like the whole world is full of vampires now. and i am out in the day wondering which of the bats will try to suck my guts out….but my guess is that if i start to feel played I will go into fuck this mode pretty quickly. OMG i am so afraid of being played again. she almost destroyed me hens. between her and the chemicals i was almost destroyed.
i have to realize that i can learn to trust others and myself again.
this guys marriage is going south if HE doesn’t make some big changes, and i don’t think he will. i told him that he has being doing the same thing harder and harder, and it’s not working – that he’s going to have to try a radically different paradigm. that he should go to a marriage counselor alone and try to sort it out. i don’t know why but she’s going to leave.
it’s weird i feel like i have some sort of preternatural pwers since the spath – but that could just be the PTSD talking – but I see things SO differently. I see the wrack and ruin coming. I expect wrack and ruin. I feel the tiny intimations of it (hmm, does sound like PTSD – everything is SO big). I look at this guy and go, that marriage is already over – based on only a couple of conversations. nope, there isn’t good in everyone, and neither is their hope in every situation.
One Joy Step,
Hanging a door aint so easy ya know! Puulleezze I live with a carpenter..lol.
Glad to hear you are cleaning out stuff (I luv that). Did you get a secretary yet?
It sounds like you are doing well, happy for you 🙂
just realized that ‘butt in’ sounds dirty. hehe
haha Ana – nooo, but I REALLY need one!
yes, i don’t suppose it will be – the part of the frame that houses the hinges has to be chiseled out again as they were partially filled and painted over. So, send over the carpenter, k? 😉
One Joy Step,
Yep, if you have any questions, just ask and I’ll put ’em to work! He LOVES door hanging for some reason lolool.
I think you are very smart and careful of you interact with and why. And for a very good reason! You have great introspection of youself…prolly from all the vajrayogini meditation….
Take care of you anyway you can! You are a great role model here One Joy Step. I always look forward to your posts.
I’m serious if you need help hanging that door..let me know.
Thank you Ana, for the perspective (here i am feeling like an alien, with cause for being careful, but an alien none the less, because i am feeling so cautious) and for the offer of help. I am sure i am going to need it.
and for yet again, reminding me of practice, and that i contribute here even if i don’t feel i can or want to contribute much other places except at work.
one/joy,
I feel exactly the same way as you right now. As you so perfectly put it, “I see the wreck and ruin coming. I expect wreck and ruin.” It’s making me very wary of meeting ANYONE new. Which sucks, because like you, I’ve always been very open and trusting of people. I enjoy people.
Tonight my 12-year-old son and I had an interesting talk. (I feel like I’ve been halfway here for my kids for the past 15 months, thanks to the horrible spath relationship.) I told him that I regret wasting a year of my life on a person who was really bad news.
His reply (I wrote it down when we got home because I think it’s profound): “Here’s the way I look at it. These days, unless something really bad happens, people live to be like 100. That means you have about 60 more years to get it right. It’s like a video game, when you get killed but have more lives waiting. You have 60 MORE LIVES.”
And then my science-loving kid added this: “It’s like a virus. Once your body has it, it will fight it off harder the next time.”
I feel kinda bad about getting relationship advice from my 12-year-old son, but the kid is smart. 🙂 We will ALL know better next time!
aliciad456 = my fear is that i won’t. and as i was writing the above posts i realize that i might not see the crap right away, but I suspect i will sooner than later.
i met a woman a while ago, and we had some things in common. I suggested we go out for a tea. so we did, and i ran like fuck away from THAT one. she has a booth i a local market and i actually avoid that isle. i felt violated by her intrusiveness and very uncomfortable with what she told me about herself a this first tea and i guess , her desperation about a couple of things.
god, just thinking about 60 more lives makes me tired! out of the mouths of babes!