Stonewalling is when someone shuts you down from communicating. He just “bails” on your efforts at communication, refuses to take you seriously; refuses to engage a discussion of your concerns.
He may ignore or dismiss you, express fatigue with you (and your concerns); he may listen without offering a thoughtful, respectful response, and then credit himself for having listened, perhaps even listened at a length he may complain about.
In any case his unthoughtful, lazy, dismissive, or flat-out non-response to your feelings and concerns captures the essence of stonewalling and will reflect his pure contempt for which he’ll take no responsibility.
Rather, he may depict you as a boring windbag who doesn’t know when to “stop talking,” or who’s always making or looking for “trouble,” without recognizing or owning how his insistent refusal to listen, his determination NOT to listen, actually provokes, passive-aggressively, your very instinct to “talk” and “pursue him” until he gives a meaningful response.
He may flat-out tell you he’s bored by, and uninterested in, the concerns you raise, regardless of how strongly you feel about them, and regardless of how strong your need to discuss them is. It may be that the more urgency you feel to broach your concerns, the more he’ll contemptuously stonewall you.
When your concerns pertain to the relationship itself, his rebuff will feel especially cruel and leave you feeling especially helpless. It will also very likely be dripping with some form of passive-aggressive, if not aggressive, contempt.
Now this is stonewalling, and stonewalling is a nasty, hurtful thing to do to someone; it leaves the stonewalled party feeling as negated as a person can feel.
You don’t have to be a sociopath to stonewall. Plenty of non-sociopaths stonewall. But many sociopaths are stonewallers, and the act of stonewalling itself, especially when it’s intentional, often contains the cold, callous attitude of the sociopath.
The stonewaller’s absence of empathy for the stonewalled party, perhaps even the relish the stonewaller takes in messing with the stonewalled party’s head, in watching her twist and squirm and perhaps make humiliating efforts and bids to be heard—there can be something actually sadistic about this.
Stonewalling will tend to elicit some common feelings in the stonewalled party—among them shame, anger, rage, infuriation, humiliation, desperation (to be heard), helplessness, and a sense of being driven crazy.
Stonewalling, then, is a form of “gaslighting” insofar as it can leave the stonewalled party feeling as if she’s speaking a foreign language inaccessible to the stonewaller even though she knows perfectly well the stonewaller speaks the language, literally, but either refuses to speak it or “acts” like he doesn’t.
This can have a “crazy-making” effect, as if he’s accusing her (as he may very well do) of speaking incomprehensibly.
Stonewallers, whether sociopaths or not, are seriously disturbed communicators. Their indifference to the stonewalled party’s experience, as noted, can be chilling. Their stonewalling often reflects character pathology, in which case they won’t change—they will always be stonewallers.
Stonewallers are destructive partners whom it’s best to avoid, and even leave, for your sanity’s and dignity’s sake. I make this strong suggestion in cases where the stonewaller refuses to assume total and genuine responsibility for his stonewalling, which is not always, but too often is, the case.
You need to stop banging your head against the “wall” (the pun is apt) trying to reach the stonewaller, because he is not reachable. Futility is what you are left feeling again and again, until you feel depressed and hopeless. The futility is not in your head. It is real, and will always be the experience with the stonewaller, who disowns responsibility for the suffering his stonewalling causes you.
Identify the stonewalling partners in your life; if they can’t, or won’t, take charge of their stonewalling, get them out of your life as best, completely and fast as you can.
(This article is copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun was strictly for convenience’s sake and not to imply that females aren’t equally capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Oxy: Why did I even put all that down…up down and around the block, I know it’s insane, like some parallel universe I have to drop out of…life happens, I keep thinking I have to get rid of all these other problems in my life, THEN I can address it , THEN I can deal with it, when it’s the reverse – if I dealt with it, I’d still have problems but I could deal with them so much better. I AM addressing things in my life now, trust me, one by one and this is one of them I am not going to beat up on myself (or grow that lump further…) I have recently come up with an idea for making more money with my art, and it’s WORKING…finding answers to my house situation…in PROCESS of working…went to doctor and although this is scary, like someone said, knowledge is power so I’m going to give myself credit here ( and not apologize for so many ‘I’s”) and say I’m making progress, I just went ahead and spilled my guts here, all my wimpy guts here to see…
Speaking Up,
We posted over each other so I just read your post…I’m glad you understand and could relate – so much. We will probably both get Oxy’s skillet but it won’t be fatal – you always hurt the ones you love here (and want to shape up!)
Oh boy, you’ve had your share of trials…I’m pulling for YOU! At least you had him charged and as you said are keeping the grand-daughter away but if she knows of your situation that still is something I hope you can get yourself out of – and it’s so not healthy for you. We both need to get away from people who would do us (or anyone around us) harm. From dysfunctional family pasts, we need to close that door and know there are so many great people out there who are NOT dysfunctional, can appreciate and love you for who you are today. Sometimes it’s so hard when you do get to a point of being too isolated – I hadn’t been to a doctor in so long, felt I couldn’t afford it but I finally found a place that would do a sliding scale based on my income and they’ve helped me so much – and what a nice group of people…I’ve always been too much of a loner, even coming here to this group was such a big step and revelation, a family in itself who is understanding and not judgmental.
I’ve already written too much, think I wore myself out today with followup on getting medical records together and writing here,
I feel kind of blitzed. But you’re here and if you just reach out you’ll find new ways to change your own situation. Do some research on how you can get some help with limited income, it’s out there. And be creative in thinking in new ways about how you could get out of high expenses with your house…I’ve been exploring that, different living situations, etc.
Good luck – thank you so much for sharing.
(((speaking))) and (((persephone)))
I know and understand where you are. It’s classic spath experience.
They know that just having contact with them is detrimental for us, that’s WHY they want contact. We HOPE that we can do it, in order to regain some monetary compensation that we need so badly. But it just makes it worse. They are a virus, they suck our blood.
If we don’t have the psychological hygiene to look at them and see only a parasite, then they win. Unfortunately, they look so human and they play the part so well.
We can go to a movie and know that it isn’t real but when the sad part comes on we still cry. WHY? because that’s how we are built. This is part of our makeup and unless you can become above it all, don’t even think that you can be with a spath and feel nothing. Don’t even try it. They will leave you slimed. I’ve recently discovered that slime is shame and shame is powerlessness. THEY TAKE AWAY OUR POWER BECAUSE THEY ARE POWER ADDICTS. THAT’S THEIR GOAL.
They feel nothing so they do have that advantage.
Persephone,
I don’t know what I said spiritually but I think I’m more pragmatic than anything. I try to stick to facts and to examples of things that I’ve seen repeated over and over when I theorize on spaths.
What I’m saying to you is that you have to let go of your emotions for him. Your responsibility is first and foremost for you. Once you have that set, you can help others. He is what took you down this slippery slope, so let him go as a loss.
I know that it’s hard. Recently, I keep dreaming about my spath and fixing him, even though it’s been 3 years NC. The heart doesn’t know pragmatism. It’s just stupid.
Persephone and Speaking UP,
Sharing here, spilling your guts, actually is very validating because we DO believe you, we DO relate and we DO care.
and Persephone, a big TOWANDA for taking care of yourself and going to the doctor! For finding affordable care! GREAT!!!!
Sky,
You have been down such a hard road yourself and I didn’t realize its been 3 years NC for you, Congratulations.
What I was thinking about were your thoughts on the ‘Meaning of Fear’ thread when you mentioned your struggle with your family of origin, your programming. It hit home with me when you said “I was raised to take responsibility for every one, so as an enabler extraordinaire, being powerless is difficult to admit. ” And then to One and Grace, “This (the act of letting go) is very difficult for me, not because I think I can control everything but because I think that I should WANT to. Revise that to: I FEEL that I should WANT to . .It feels like the right thing to do to take responsibility for anyone with a pity ploy. I know this is wrong but it feels right. How do I change that?”
One/joy then says: ” Sky, classically, pray for the willingness to change it, pray to drop the should.”
So I’m thinking it has been a kind of spiritual struggle for you as well or however you term it. It made me feel as though I wasn’t alone in that same struggle, feeling that somehow I needed to have someone else’s permission to turn my back on this person, even with the injuries I’ve felt. So I think you and One/joy were sharing something very important to Speaking Up and I right now. Thank you Sky, I’m finally getting it about taking care of myself first, quite a few circumstances have forced me to do that and it’s actually given me more confidence and trust in myself.
Oxy, thanks for being there (and withholding the skillet!) If I hurry I can go to bed fairly early tonight, I’m beat! More sleep is another resolution I’m following through on…
persephone7
I cannot believe I wrote the TRUTH about my own downfall in this situation I am in.
I am sick of heart.
I think I need to be needed. My son, Trevor, was the only person in the world i felt ever loved me…now he is gone and since have had a career crash, divorce, death of sociopathic parents, abandonment of siblings, bankrupsy, and now this horrid involvement of my granddaughter…
How much can one take?
How much?
SpeakingUp, I cannot imagine the loss of a child – I just can’t. I am so sorry that your son passed and that you have this huge void in your heart.
I wish that I had strong words that would help you. I don’t. I wish that I could say how to push through these seemingly insurmountable challenges. I can’t – I’m trying to just get through each day in better order than the one before.
I don’t have an answer for how much a person can take. I wish I knew. When it seems that I can’t take another hit on the chin, I read stories like yours and OxD’s and Darwinsmom’s, and I realize that I have VERY little to complain about.
The one thing that I can say to you, SpeakingUp, with sincerity and truthfulness is that you are loved HERE. Even if you don’t feel that you are “love-able” (deserving of unconditional love), you ARE loved in this world. On this site, and OFF of this site – there are people out there who truly and sincerely CARE.
Brightest healing blessings to you.
Speaking_Up:
No Contact is HARD!!!!!! It’s one of the hardest things I ever had to do in my life actually. So I understand, I do. We all have our reasons for the things we do even if they are not always the best reasons.
Hugs to you.
Speaking Up,
I’m so sorry about your loss of your son, I have children and almost lost one of them several years ago and I remember the terrible feeling of even possibly facing that reality.
You’ve been given a gift of finding this site so you CAN speak your truth – so don’t let that be a hurt to you. And acknowledge to yourself and to God (or Higher Power) that you have had so much to deal with and pray for guidance and help each day. And I pray for STRENGTH and patience and courage, any attribute that you feel lacking!
You and I and everyone here have taken a collective hit on the chin but we don’t have to anymore. But some of us have to take baby steps and you realized you could’ve slept in your car now, that’s a step. You had the creep charged, another step. So you’re doing your part to get healthy, I’m trying to and I see it gradually working and I’m getting calmer, less sad and defensive about everything – which makes me more effective! When you can, treat yourself to some little pleasure even if it’s a pretty candle or soap or CD, you can find treasures even at a thrift shop for $2-3 that can lift your spirit and say in a concrete way that YOU COUNT.
The thing I’ve struggled with is just changing my thinking which is something we need to do, too. And just knowing that what we’ve been through (and in our case are still struggling with) is a kind of addiction so approach it like that – approach and take it on, as I’m writing this, I’m talking to myself, too. I’ve succeeded in not engaging in any drama, not reacting, becoming the grey rock and though I haven’t succeeded yet at total NC, I think it’s close at hand.
Sending you alot of love, have to get ready for work, will check in once more and then later today.