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Why A Relationship With A Sociopath is Soul-Destroying–Some Thoughts

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Many people describe a long-term relationship with a sociopath as “soul-destroying?” Mine was. But, why? How does this happen. I’m still searching for all the answers, but here are some thoughts.

Insidious Erosion

Perhaps some, but not all, of the answer is erosion.

Increasingly, he doesn’t come home for dinner; she’s chronically late for commitments with you; he flirts with other women in front of you, then denies it, attributing your concern to your insecurity; instead of engaging you over brunch, she’s constantly checking her phone. Sometimes, she just ignores you. He contemptuously rolls his eyes as you voice your opinion, but denies it. He says he wants to take you to dinner and wants you to pick the place. As you are leaving to go, he subtly criticizes you (“Gosh, I thought you’d want to get more dressed up. Too bad there’s not enough time to change”¦we’ll be late.” or “Why are you wearing a dress and heels, wouldn’t jeans have been better? I just want you to be comfortable.) Of course, you haven’t caught on yet, that no matter what you wear it will trigger a dismissive comment. Once seated, he undermines your restaurant choice. (“I hope my meal’s better than when I came here for business last week.”)

Embedded in each of these is the message you are inferior, unworthy, nothing.

The Erosion’s Source

The source of the erosion magnifies its impact, as it is delivered by a person you love and respect, perhaps above all others. You don’t leave the relationship, as each comment is either so small that it flies under your defensive radar screen or it flags your defenses, but, when you talk about it (as communication is part of a healthy relationship), you are told you are too sensitive, too emotionally immature, too needy (more criticism). To prove to yourself and to the person you love that you are strong not weak; mature, not immature; independent, not needy; you soldier on. Scrape, scrape, scrape, the erosion continues.


Gaslighting is crazy making and the source of the gaslighting makes it all the more insidious—a person you think has your back and wants the best for you. This is the person who you are sure agreed to pick up wine for a dinner party you are hosting, yet arrives empty handed. He states with unwavering confidence that you never asked him to bring home wine. If you had, of course he would have, and gosh, you can be sooooo disorganized and forgetful. This doesn’t match your memory, but his confidence makes you assume you misremembered. He then discounts the need to have wine for your guests. By doing so, if you still feel it’s necessary to serve wine, you must run out at the last minute to get it. Will he thank you? No, because he’s already deemed it unnecessary. He may even mention that you can be so controlling to insist on things being your way. He’ll be relaxed and gracious when your guests arrive. You’ll be rushed and harried, “Relax, Babe,” he’ll say, “you’re sooooo tense.” He’ll shake his head to communicate to your guests, “See what I put up with?”

Scrape, scrape, scrape your confidence wanes.

Who Am I?

Over time, you hardly recognize yourself. You ask, “How did it come to this?” “Who am I?”

As corrosive as these things are, I feel that if this is all that had happened to me, I would have rebounded faster. As evidence for this, during my toxic marriage, when I’d be away from “Paul,” for a week or so, I’d feel a resurgence of confidence and strength. I was like a wilted flower that just needed sunlight and water—I was weak, but still intact.


The idea of a self-concept is central to the personality theory of the famous psychologist Carl Rogers. He defined it as “the organized, consistent set of perceptions and beliefs about oneself.”

This “organized,”internally consistent theory of who I am and what I believe makes me me. It is my essence—my identity. Perhaps this is my soul (speaking nonreligiously). This is what Paul nearly destroyed during our separation, divorce and post-divorce aftershocks.

I can infer what some of the foundations of my belief system must have been:

  • I am smart and competent
  • I am safe
  • If I work hard enough, I can tackle life’s problems
  • Life has predictability
  • Most people are fundamentally good
  • The legal system makes sense, generally justice will prevail
  • I am honest
  • ”¦

The brutal realization that Paul is probably a sociopath, that I’d wasted 20 years of my life on a man who’d never loved me, and being subjected to his fury and rage and constant emotional and financial attacks set in motion a cascade of events that eventually shattered most of my basic beliefs about myself and the world and strained other beliefs close to breaking.

My Self-Concept Is Undone

My self-concept—my identity—my soul—was decimated. It was no longer organized and consistent, in fact, it hardly existed at all. So many of the pieces which once comprised it had been invalidated. The wilted flower didn’t just need water and sunlight, it was as if it had been uprooted and shredded—leaves torn from stems, petals ripped and crushed. In this situation, putting the pieces back together was not possible—they no longer fit—they no longer worked. I was no longer an integrated whole.

One Building Block—Holding On

Even as I write this, I am having a bit of an “ah-ha” moment. In the midst of despair, fear, profound sleep deprivation and searing emotional pain;  I remember clinging desperately to one of these pieces—that I am honest. In my spent, totally stressed-out state while Paul relentlessly attacked me during our separation and divorce, I clung to that premise like a shipwrecked sailor clinging to a piece of driftwood—no matter what Paul did, no matter how underhanded, dishonest, scary and even illegal his behavior I would not compromise my integrity. At first, I hardly had the strength to fight at all, but when capitulating to his demands only brought more exploitation, I fought back.

Yet, even when I fought back hard, I always fought clean. Full stop, end of story. Perhaps I had such clarity on that point because it was one thing I could control, and it was one piece of my former self I could choose to retain.

A Second Building Block

Yes, it was soul-destroying. The “me” that existed prior to Paul did not just evolve, as most people do as they grow and mature, she turned to ash. She almost ceased to exist. I feared that a gust of wind would scatter the ash and what was left of me would be gone forever. Yet, that did not happen. My son’s similar undoing pushed him close to suicide. His distress and the maternal drive to save him focused me. Regardless of any previous flawed parenting, being the best mother to him that I could be had to be at the core of the new me. Full stop, end of story. So now I had two building blocks—I am honest and I will be the best mother to my son I can possibly be. The rebuilding would need to continue from there.

Driven to Understand And Reintegrate

Is this why victims of sociopathic relationships are so driven to understand? Simply putting former pieces of oneself back together is not an option. For some, being newly remade is required. To do that I had to autopsy the experience in painstaking detail. I had to know what was real, not what I wanted to be real, and to review and analyze to understand what parts of my original self were intact, which needed to be thrown out, which needed to be modified and what aspects that were never there must be added.


My own cautionary tale of unwittingly investing almost twenty years of my life into a relationship with a sociopath and sometimes diverting from the best path, is chronicled in my book Husband, Liar, Sociopath: How He Lied, Why I Fell For It & The Painful Lessons Learned (available via, just click on title above). As I don’t get a “do over,” hopefully some of my painful lessons can help others impacted by these toxic people.

 Identifying names, places, events, characteristics, etc. that I discuss here and in my book have been altered to protect the identity of everyone involved.

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Hope Springs

My goodness, what an excellent article.

Soul destroying for sure. That is a phrase that I use often, because that is exactly what happens when one is with a SP.

SPs are capable of destroying anyone’s soul, even their own parents’, as our son has done and still tries to do with and to us. Now that we have no contact, we have reclaimed our souls! It can be done.

Thank you, as always, for the post. Your posts are so insightful and resonate with all of us.


Brilliant. One of the best posts you’ve written.

It’s really strange, this huge desire and drive to understand. For me one day there was a subtle ‘slip’ in reality. Before that I’d realised that I wanted to change and I’d even posted (in a comment on another website) what direction I wanted to change in. Then a couple of weeks later I ‘changed’. I became lighter, stronger, more resilient. The obsessive thoughts abated. I integrated Ps into my new reality. And the reactions of other people too, thinking about it. I’m pretty close to the change that I wanted – I think the rest of it is going to happen slowly, naturally.

Very weird. But I do read about how Ps are catalysts for spiritual change.


Before I ever realized just what the sociopath was, I had figured out that he was systematically taking everything important in my life that wasn’t HIM and grinding it to dust beneath his heel.


Dear NoMoreWool,

thank you so much for your post above, that’s it in a nutshell for me, I have been going around and around in my head as to WHY things happened, partly me because of my up bring making me a perfect target, mostly him because its his thing and he has been this way since a child by all accounts.

I have had no contact with him since January when he stopped invading my space by coming to my house. I have still ignored his odd text messages and carried on with life.

I have thought about the why’s and how’s of the two years I spent wit him, and in a small statement you summed it up better than all my convoluted thought processes.

well done. I have felt myself thinking about him this week so came back to the blog because its all so plain on this site, like a breath of fresh air.

I have a long way to go as I realize that I- in dating him have touched upon old childhood hurts and injuries-trauma that I had thought I had dealt with-clearly its time to journey back to my past and pick up the broken pieces of my childhood heart and heal them.
time to put those pieces of my sweet little girl heart back where they belong and hold myself in far higher esteem that that dickhead ever did.


I can’t even imagine what it’s like to live with one of these slime buckets for 20 years. The 3-month relationship I had with one almost killed me. You must be incredibly strong. Perhaps your strength and resilience can be a third building block.


Hard to believe how quick time flies …with a socio never a dull moment mine used to say ,,,,& if u are reading yes its me & I surviced!!

and I am sure that during some of those years u thougth about leaving him & then only to be sweet talked back, the minute u think about leaving they up the sweetness and the dream delivery ,,just wait,,,,

I actually had physical withdrawal like symptoms he had his hooks in me so deep..& had me so conned,, why would I not believe the person I loved most in world?

Now I can spot them when they try & hit on me & they still do
only now I can see the body language & the tactics, or the words they say & u know they now know I know !!! LOL
& before they knew I had less of an idea …

some one will say who they are especially if its a man when they meet a woman within the first few sentences or the first few gestures ,,,what their core is

so watch & listen very carefully for those first ten minutes
when u first meet …I have heard incredible things ,,,

LISTEN ….do not interpret, don’t make perfectly logical excuses, do not assume, or project your values onto them,,,do not think about waht to say next just LISTEN
do not get so caught up in their flattery
or his desire to help u,,,
or his plans for your future that are exactly are what u want …

Listen …to the predator give himself away,,,,and they do
with what they say & in their facial expressions,,,,now that I know what to look for I see it…..

we are taught to cover and make excuses for our abusers at an early age ,,your mom or dad probably did same & you learned to gloss over , overlook, call it something else,,,,
instead of the abuse that is was,,,,

I would like to know how many people in these long term rel with a soico had parents that were socios, borderlines or narcissists
I bet 100 per cent….
its familiar & we down paly it ,,,taught to get along s kids & then we try as adults to do same at the expense of our very identity ,,

,,,,,May all come back as cockroaches in their next life and if u don’t believe in that maybe there is a special place in hell just for the sociopaths
so that might give u some peace of mind
peace to all of you & remember no one can take your core
only feels like it for a while ,,,,
“the day the music died ” will soon pass,,,,& you will be singing “I will survive” once again ..

u will I promise ,,,,,
& you will be so much wiser & stronger

Rosie Jackson

Every single word you wrote rang true.
So well put and to use your music metaphor, like an anthem!
And your certainly right about listening to them. As soon as I heard his voice behind me I was creeped out…..should’ve run right then and there. That was 25 years ago and I’m still listening to “Sympathy for the Devil” but “Time is On My Side”, not his.

Rosie Jackson

Every single word you wrote rang true.
So well put and to use your music metaphor, like an anthem!
And your’e certainly right about listening to them. As soon as I heard his voice behind me I was creeped out…..should’ve run right then and there. That was 25 years ago and I’m still listening to “Sympathy for the Devil” but “Time is On My Side”, not his.


oops sorry for few spell errors in rush ,,,:)))


Kudos to the author! This is so spot-on and is written in a way that any victim can relate to and learn from it. I especially related to this statement:

“To do that I had to autopsy the experience in painstaking detail.”

After 13 years with my ex-spath, that’s exactly what I did for almost 3 years and I must say that the DETAILED autopsy I performed is what is most responsible for me being in the excellent place I find myself in now, 4 years after my world imploded. Thank you!


WOW what a nice article. You are very clear! I really appreciate and empathize with your analysis and conclusion.
After years of looking into a carnival mirror of ourselves (the ppaths reflection to us) its a wonder we can tell anything about reality at all. BUT you found the 2 most meaningful things to cling to: integrity and kids/motherhood. I also believe those are the 2 most basic drives for me and many other ppath victims.
I recently had an ah-ha moment about having to remember so much (i also had a 20+ year relationship) and having to piece back memories with new filters and understanding. PTSD for us is possibly NOT soley addictive, although Im sure some parts have addictive qualities. Our brains require that we correct mistakes and find solutions to mistakes so that we have better outcomes. When we delve down through the seven levels of HELL, in remembering and reintegrating our past with new knowledge, we have to almost completely dissolve ourselves to finally find ourselves. This is truly a traumatic experience! AND this experience causes PTSD/ PTSD similar brain processing.
So while we may have chosen to save our beloved ppath by decending into hell (dark night of the soul or dante’s inferno), I think in the end it is us that we have to deliver from hell. On a funnier note, we were searching for ourselves all along and we didn’t realize that his reflection of us was disordered and a mask.


I came across this book preview on Amazon called The Devil’s Toolkit
by H G Tudor (Author)
Wondering if anyone has read it.
The preview is written from the perspective of the spath and the tools they use to erode and abuse.


I’d stay away from this book. Just my opinion.


I Googled the above book and stumbled upon this..
WARNING- This can be triggering as there are posts from the author and a blow by blow account of the evil doings.
I am reading it because I NEED TO SEE THIS.
It is helping me to understand from the spath, EVIL, the Devil himself how they know exactly what they are doing.
For me it is giving ME power but as I stated I can imagine this may trigger some.



Wow Strong! What a website. Certainly is a malignant narcissist. This person has some obvious intelligence, and an ability to write; is completely aware of what they are doing, but not at all conscious of what they ARE. They really do see themselves as having a divine purpose (and not a negative one): to test us and see if we are worthy, that we can be ‘good’ even in the face of evil. And their evil is then given a positive spin, because they are sent to test us. Kinda old testament style. LOL!

This spath see’s it as throwing down the gauntlet, and challenging our goodness to a ‘dual’. Ridiculous. They can point out the abuse, but have to imbue it with it with this stupid mystical and spiritual reverence. Geez! Barf.

What a load of crap! Not what it reveals, that is interesting. Just what a load of crap a narcissist spews about their own self-importance. This site is such an excellent representation of how much attention they need. Sam Vaknin, another psychopath, also makes money and receives some acclaim for his ‘observations’ about himself. Almost makes it seem like they possess self awareness. Which, of course, they obviously do not.

I think this site could really trip someone up if they weren’t ready. I found it downright amusing and disgusting.

Thanks for sharing. Slim


Or maybe it is a non-disordered person writing from a disordered perspective? Either way, ewwwwww


I got so grossed out by reading the comments and response by the disordered one.
ewwwww is right.



I don’t know why or how but I somehow feel much better after reading some of the blog posts there.
Ii’s difficult to explain but it’s almost a feeling of relief???
IDK if the posts are even real but the content was somehow validating.


I thought for awhile that it was a normal person who was just pretending to be a Narcissist, but I found out differently.


Strong, I totally get it. I also felt that way. It just gets to the sickness of the whole thing.


I don’t know who runs that Narcissist web site, but some of it (like the categories “Somatic Narcissist,” “Cerebral Narcissist”) sounds like it’s straight from the writings of Sam Vaknin, “Malignant Narcissist Extraordinaire.”


He’s also a clinically diagnosed psychopath, I forget to mention…


Well. I noticed that if anyone on there has anything negative to say about “the author”, all the commenters will gang up on that one person. Everyone on there, except for a very few, seem to worship this psychopath/Sociopath, or whatever he is. The Author’s name, I think, is Tutor..or Tudor..or something like that. I’ve watched the site from afar and he is worshiped on there, and the ones who have anything against him end up being ganged up on and then I seem to never see them, again…unless they just leave on their own. But, I guess he has some devoted followers who have been there a long time, but even newcomers seem to instantly fall in love with his charm, even if they went in they expecting to hate him. These sociopaths are master manipulators.


The site triggered me profusely and I ended up having to leave.


Charles Manson has a big fan club, too, of women who worship him. For these women it fills a void to have someone to connect with. The only way to connect with a sociopath is to let them control you. It you swallow their belief system and give them power, they promise you that love and connection you don’t have that you would normally get from a healthy family. It’s very tragic. This is the allure of cults and gangs. They promise you that feeling of belonging that everyone needs but not everyone has. It’s a difficult condition to work with – that emptiness of not having a loving family – but it’s not unworkable. Everything is workable.


Hmm, this makes a lot of sense. It’s really very frightening what people will do to other people in following the orders of someone so ruthless. Yes, some are very addicted to the forum and talk about being on an airplane, traveling home from “so and so place” and checking in on The Blog, or being at the Beach sunbathing, and checking in on The Blog, and the Sociopath greets them like long lost friends, stating their Blog “Name”, and “Nice to see you, again!” Mostly all women on there. Just weird. Somehow he manages to use someone to scapegoat and he is able to get the others to gang up on that person. If that person says something nice, the “gang” says she is “arse kissing him”, and if she says something negative, then they become vultures and tear that person up. If she says something funny, they make it sound like she is stupid. Yet, if any of the rest say any of the same types of comments, and other commenters show hugs, and hearts, and applause. I don’t know how the Sociopath manages to get all the others to gang up on one particular person all the time, but he makes it happen.


I thought it worth repeating that the only way to connect with a sociopath is to let them control you. If they cannot control you, they cannot connect with you. Since there is a spectrum for this disorder, some may have some ability to love and connect to a degree – but again, it will only be if they can exert control over you and you behave the way they want you to. Some control you very overtly, by telling you what you can and cannot do. Some find that when they cannot control you overtly, they will resort to more covert methods like gaslighting. The key to recovery is breaking free from the control. In order to do that, you have to be willing to let go of the connection you feel when you are in their clutches – all the good stuff you get from them. This is very difficult because those things are addicting, even if they are just intermittent. Without that connection – whether it be real or imagined – it can feel like you will die of loss.

There are so many people out there longing for connection, who feel isolated, lonely, and a desire to belong. These people, especially young ones, are easy targets for cult leaders and other sociopaths. The really charismatic sociopaths can convince mobs of people that they are “loved” and special if only they behave in the way the sociopath wants. And if they don’t, they will be excommunicated. It’s a very powerful and manipulative tool. We all want to feel special. And they use that against us.


Speaking from experience, your comments really hit home, Stargazer, and give me such insight and enlightment. These are things I had never even thought of. The Sociopath could not so easily control BPD on there because even though the BPD desperately wants to belong more than anyone else, and also not be abandoned, the BPD is triggered on this Sociopath’s Forum, becomes chaotic, becomes moody, and chaotic, and cannot so easily be controlled as the rest due to the volatile rage that is being triggered within her. Thus, the Sociopath made her into a Scapegoat. The BPD also began taking up a bit too much of the attention that was meant for the Sociopath in terms of Negative replies, and this might have caused enjoyment at first for the Sociopath in seeing the BPD ganged up on, but perhaps eventually it took attention off from the Sociopath, himself, and he vowed to get rid of her by furthering his short, abrupt, and obstinate replies just for her, (while being charming and funny to all the other commenters), which caused the others to further harass the BPD. Whenever anyone was kind to her, including the rare time the Sociopath was cordial to her, she’d respond in just as much kindness, out of relief- due to all the times they were all so mean to her. But, out of the blue, for no reason, he’d scorn her, again, and they’d gang up on her all over, again, causing her to rebel. Vicious Circle.

Also, she was triggered due to the private correspondence, off the blog between she, and the psychopath. Apparently, when she had first joined the blog, he emailed her first. This is something the other commenters never knew, or would ever know about as to part of her anger and chaotic manners on the forum in the way he addressed her in front of everybody there. Anytime she tried to make it known about the private communications, the Sociopath erased her comments.

Any other thoughts on this particular scenario, Stargazer?


Alaska, I haven’t read that forum, and I don’t know the conversations you are talking about, but just by your description, the entire forum sounds unhealthy to me and one I would probably not participate in. Yes, sounds like a lot of games being played and lots of people playing them or participating in them.

I’m not sure how else to respond, unless you have a more specific question? Thanks for your comments.


Thank you, Stargazer; I think I was just getting it off my chest…


BTW, If you are interested in BPD, a book I recommend is “The Buddha and the Borderline.” It is a self-written account of a woman’s journey from self-destruction in relationships to self-awareness. As someone who was diagnosed with BPD myself many years ago, I really enjoyed reading. Another book is the Bible for BPD. It’s called, “I Hate You. Don’t Leave Me.” I have never personally read this book, but I probably could have written a book just like it with all I’ve been through. I do think that the labels are less important than how we relate to our lives, our feelings, and our reactions. If we can learn to manage these things in a healthy way, the label doesn’t matter. We each have our particular brand of neurosis, and I believe they are ALL workable.

“Is sociopathy workable, too?” you might ask. I used to wonder about this a lot, especially right after I broke up with the sociopath in 2008. My answer now is, who cares? I am not the one who is going to try and change them. I just avoid them.


I actually saw someone on this forum mention these two books earlier; maybe even you…and I, therefore, have these two books on order! So, I will be checking them out soon. I am also working with DBT Skills, but takes lots of practice.

The only reason why I do not think Sociopathy/Narcissism is workable is because these types of people feel they do not need to change in any way, shape, or form, and they think it is everyone else who are the misfits. Anyway, this has been my experience from the Narcissists/Sociopaths I have encountered. One needs to want to change, or feel a need to change, in order for any change to even begin to take place, I imagine.


Hi Alaska, just wanted to let you know that Donna Anderson of Lovefraud has a bookstore up at the top of this site. Most of the books I believed she has done a book review…not sure though.

As for Sam Vaknin, YES, he is a diagnosed Psychopath!! Beware. Like you when I first left my ex h I saw his videos online but he triggered me so I stopped watching them. And later learned of his diagnosis thru a documentary film (online) and sure enough he is and he is extremely controlling & abusive towards his wife. She is fully under his mind control. Very sad that she had not escaped his evil grips.

IF you go to the top right corner of lovefruad & do a search on his name you will see Donna Anderson’s encounter with him in a post.


Oh, I see; the one I am talking about though is that other author who has a public blog site called Knowing the Narcissist. His name is H. G. Tudor. No one has ever seen him, but supposedly only heard his voice on YouTube which all the women melt over. Crazy how they worship him so, and attack those who say anything against Tudor on the Blog.


Hi Alaska, my advice to you is to stay away from any site that states they are a sociopath or a narcissist….to dangerous for your mindset & emotions. I have read that you can be hypnotized & tranced by a sociopath via phone & reading material.

This guy HG sounds like a bad guy & should be avoided all together.


Thank you, Jan7! I never thought about the concept of being hypnotized and tranced by even reading material by a Sociopath, but now that you mention it, two things come to my mind:

1). Evil is very deceptive and if one is willing, on their own choice, to enter this doorway, then they are entering into an uncontrolled, unnatural environment where no good thing can come out of it.

2). I found that even when I was feeling emotionally strong on a given day, and very happy, if I happen to get a Notification from a commenter about one of my comments and when to check it out, and entered back into this Sociopath’s Forum, I would inevitably leave feeling angry, infuriated, misused, and many other negative feelings that I cannot explain. But, I just kept thinking it was “my problem”, and never considered it the triggering of the blog until before I finally left upon realizing that what I was feeling and how I was even acting on the Blog was not really Me- (it was bringing out the very worst of the worst of who I could possibly be, and I didn’t even like that person who it was bringing out). Even now, I am still recovering from the effects of the darkness of where I was, but at least I am recovering, and moving forward.

There is that saying, “When you stare into the abyss for too long, it stares back up at you”. I am not sure if this is what this quote means. But, I went there in the first place looking for answers from previous Narc relationship, and the longer I stayed, the more the darkness tried to penetrate into me…what’s scarier is that i did not run away from that darkness. I keep asking myself why I did not just run away from the beginning. ☹️

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