This semester I am teaching Psychology of Women at the University of Bridgeport. This is the second time I have taught this course. It is a fun course to teach because everyone likes it. This week we took up the issue of whether overall women’s personalities are different from men’s. A significant percentage of the class believes that men and women are very different in many domains and that this difference is biologic or genetic. The author of our textbook is a feminist from New York so she tends to down play any gender differences found, and she attributes nearly all gender differences to culture.
To balance the views of the textbook, I look for other articles to share with the class. This week I found a great paper, and coincidentally some interesting statistics were also reported in the news. The paper I found is entitled Why Can’t a Man Be More Like a Woman? Sex Differences in Big Five Personality Traits Across 55 Cultures. It was just published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. The results are shocking and a wake up call.
The authors found that there are significant sex differences in personality in the areas of neuroticism, agreeableness, conscientiousness, and extraversion. This means that around the world, women are more anxious/fearful, more agreeable, more conscientious and possess more positive sociability traits than do men. Of course all the sexist people in my class attribute this to an inherent biological difference between the sexes. They also expect me to agree with the biological view. After all I spent five years in a lab at Yale studying the effects of sex steroids on the brain.
In spite of my background I do not accept that these gender differences in personality result from a preprogrammed unfolding of the genetic plan. I believe they are largely culturally determined. My position is supported by the study I am sharing with you. It turns out that gender differences in personality are the LARGEST in Western countries where women have the most opportunity and the greatest equality. Furthermore, gender differences in personality around the world are due to differences in men, not differences in women.
Yes, that means that America and Europe lead the world in producing men who are fearless, disagreeable, lacking in conscientiousness and positive sociality. This is very important to us because these are the very personality traits that are associated with sociopathy (See Are they just evil people?).
The study found that communal, trusting cultures produce men who are more androgynous in their personalities. The men from communal cultures are more fearful, more conscientious, and more prosocial. Fearlessness, is perhaps the most important temperamental trait leading to the development of sociopathy. Furthermore, smoking among women around the world is associated with the largest sex differences in personality. This is interesting because maternal smoking has been linked to sociopathy in offspring (see Maternal smoking linked to sociopathy in Offspring).
So how do we put this all together? I think maleness and the hormone testosterone make boys more sensitive to early environmental experiences. If boys are raised in a loving environment, where social bonds and self-sacrifice for the family are strongly encouraged, then they will grow up more loving and prosocial. If boys are raised to be independent and look out for number one, they are more likely than girls to develop antisocial attitudes. Add to that, the effect environmental toxins have on impulse control and you have an explanation for the high prevalence of sociopathy in our society.
That brings me to the news this week. According to the Pew Center on the States Public Safety Performance Project , 2,319,258 adults were held in American prisons or jails at the beginning of 2008. This means that 1 in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars. Since 80 percent of those in prison are sociopaths, nearly 3 percent of the young adult male population is a jailed sociopath. In spite of this the crime rate remains stable due to the many who are not in jail. To read more see MSNBC.com. What percentage of the total young adult male sociopaths are in prison anyway? If you guess 30 percent, that means a sizable percentage of young adult males are sociopathic. We just don’t know.
These statistics are a wake-up call for us all. The practices and beliefs of our society are leading to more sociopaths being formed than would otherwise be formed. We need to rethink our values and our child rearing practices. We need to say strongly that it is very important for boys to grow up possessing the capacity for guilt and empathy. We need to stop believing that dominance and competitiveness are the most important personal qualities to possess. We need to stop conditioning boys to be callous by bombarding them with violent entertainment.
Furthermore, we need to provide our children with a safe clean environment. That starts by eliminating smoking in women of child bearing age and telling teen aged girls they have a responsibility not to start smoking. If teen aged girls start smoking, it is unlikely they will quit in time to prevent exposure of the unborn. In some segments of our society, up to 30 per cent of pregnant women smoke.
Women can sit around complaining that there are not enough “good men” to go around. Or, they can do something about these issues so that future generations will not face these largely preventable social problems.
I am not trying or meaning to be cold–but I just read how a woman went to jail for the murder of her child by her boyfriend…she just stood by and let the abuse go on.
Now she sees…
I have been involved with addicts in the past (became sober, great person today) but all the “help” I gave $$, laundry, food etc. just let them function status quo.
Dr. G.,
I read over what I wrote last night, I am not telling you to “abandon” your daughter or your grandchild (the victims) but just as her psychopath is addicted to violence and drugs, she is addicted to him.
The Stockholm Syndrome, where the victim becomes passive, and compliant and actually thinks the abuser is “saving” them from something more horrible is a classic example of this “addiction.” Cult members become convinced that their “leader,” even when that leader is abusive, is “taking care of them.”
I would suggest that you learn as much as you can about how victims “bond” to their abusers in ways that don’t make any more “sense” to the average person than the “senseless” thinking of the abuser. That may be the way you can helpyour daughter the most.
It may also mean that you have to engage in some “tough love” where she is concerned, not abandonment at all, but she may fight you tooth and nail at first until she is away from the abuser.
If your grandson is in danger or neglected, you might very well consider bringing in social services, they have dealt with this sort of thing frequently. It may be that you can get custody of him, which might bring her around. I would suggest that you recruit anyone who has experience with this, take their suggestions, etc. Maybe even call your local DV shelter number and talk to the people there, tell them your story and see what suggestions they have for you. These people too, see this every day. They have experience and knowledge of resources available in your community.
Good luck and God bless you.
OxDrover, you have excellent wisdom and insight. Thank you for your thoughts. The young boy is his son from a marriage that went very bad. My daughter graduated top of her class (Honors). She wants to go to college, but her sociopath has beat her down into thinking that she will never get anywhere. I can only hold on to her old friends, who genuinely love her, and bring them together from time to time. There have been sessions between us that have cleared her mind. She has even taken on other women who have this addiction. The other dsy she was telling me about a new found friend who was abused. The girl went back to him even after he told her that he was going to take her in the woods and kill her. My daughter told me that she never wanted to see her again. I stopped her there and said think about what you just said. Your friends have had that same reaction to you. I told to remember that feeling, because it will help her to deal with her feelings.
talk about an ideologically bent reality here.
Here is a leftist”
Since you don’t read what they work on and how they work, you probably have no idea as to their assertions, and how far off they are.
note that any machine cant exceed its making. Life is a form of machine. The human cant exceed the abilities inherent in the machine. so while humans can adapt to an arbitrary culture, that does not mean that they don’t have any default culture and are totally blank slates waiting to be written upon.
In fact, despite all their love of Darwinism (because he kills religion to them), they hate Darwin (Because he disproves their ideology, but really doesn’t disprove religion).
Please note that the person writing is a teacher. That is, their ideological ideas are taking precedence over fact, and they are skewing what they teach to favor what they are promoting and asserting. They have an agenda other than truth. they want a SPECIFIC truth whether it exists or not.
WATCH what happens” the piece starts off reasonable.. then”
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/02/29/why-are-there-so-many-sociopaths-in-america/
Why are there so many sociopaths in America?
This semester I am teaching Psychology of Women at the University of Bridgeport. This is the second time I have taught this course. It is a fun course to teach because everyone likes it. This week we took up the issue of whether overall women’s personalities are different from men’s. A significant percentage of the class believes that men and women are very different in many domains and that this difference is biologic or genetic. The author of our textbook is a feminist from New York so she tends to down play any gender differences found, and she attributes nearly all gender differences to culture.
To balance the views of the textbook, I look for other articles to share with the class. This week I found a great paper, and coincidentally some interesting statistics were also reported in the news. The paper I found is entitled Why Can’t a Man Be More Like a Woman? Sex Differences in Big Five Personality Traits Across 55 Cultures. It was just published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. The results are shocking and a wake up call.
The authors found that there are significant sex differences in personality in the areas of neuroticism, agreeableness, conscientiousness, and extraversion. This means that around the world, women are more anxious/fearful, more agreeable, more conscientious and possess more positive sociability traits than do men. Of course all the sexist people in my class attribute this to an inherent biological difference between the sexes. They also expect me to agree with the biological view. After all I spent five years in a lab at Yale studying the effects of sex steroids on the brain.
Note that this teacher has already damned everyone that disagrees with her ideological position.
Of course all the sexist people in my class attribute this to an inherent biological difference between the sexes.
Is that the words of a person exploring truth, or a person that feels that the position they hold allows them to assert the truth they want, and then dispose with contempt the thoughts of others?
Replace sexist with jewish, black, nazi, etc. it’s an equivalent to a racial attack if you don’t specialize the form.
In spite of my background I do not accept that these gender differences in personality result from a preprogrammed unfolding of the genetic plan. I believe they are largely culturally determined. My position is supported by the study I am sharing with you. It turns out that gender differences in personality are the LARGEST in Western countries where women have the most opportunity and the greatest equality. Furthermore, gender differences in personality around the world are due to differences in men, not differences in women.
Read that first sentence” “In spite of my background”..”
What does that say for which triumphed? The medical knowledge she gained that refutes her ideology, or the ideology that she favors that establishes her whole teaching career that would be gone if the ideology dies out?
I believe they are largely culturally determined.
Ok. Then how does this ephemeral nothing actually determine? Culture is a subset of reality. Its not all of reality.
What darwinistic force creates a focus for culture and then creates a person that no culture, and even bad cultures, are equivalent to good cultures on the brain?
Put another way” what stops a organism with a good culture, from reinforcing the biases biologically which then causes convergence on those qualities as favored?
The point is, that science is showing that she is way way way wrong. a much better scientist, who did hormone work too, a woman by the name of susan pinker.
The Sexual Paradox – Susan Pinker – Book Review – New York Times
Are girls wired not to win? – Times Online
Susan started out with the same feminist ideological ideas, however unlike this poster she didn’t deny what she learned and then slip back into the comfort of a world of lies can create. Why? is a whole other thing.
By the way, the cultural explanation for culture suffers from the same problem behaviorism suffers from.
In both theologies, there is no way to explain the creation of their selves.
What behavior would induce or trigger the behavior of realizing behaviorism?
My position is supported by the study I am sharing with you. It turns out that gender differences in personality are the LARGEST in Western countries where women have the most opportunity and the greatest equality.
Does that prove her thesis? Not at all, before even getting to it she would have to assume that the culture that she is referring to is creating the largest because of the tenets of the old culture or the new culture.
Is it moral momentum, or a new creation?
Well, it was western culture that granted the freedom to explore, and not the newer culture, the newer culture came AFTER. She is claiming eggs with no chickens.
Yes, that means that America and Europe lead the world in producing men who are fearless, disagreeable, lacking in conscientiousness and positive sociality. This is very important to us because these are the very personality traits that are associated with sociopathy (See Are they just evil people?).
This is arguable. The islamics today are a lot more fearless and disagreeable, lacking in concientiousness and positive sociality.
Did feminism start in the east and move to the west, or from the west?
Then that fact contradicts her assertion.
ALSO, her assertion that these are the traits of sociopaths are WRONG”
Sociopaths are charming, not disagreeable. They lack a conscience, not conscientiousness.
But WAIT, she is a useful idiot for socialism, would she learn what real sociopaths are like, or would she learn not to see her leaders? This is a teacher, who will be pouring this crap into others minds.
The study found that communal, trusting cultures produce men who are more androgynous in their personalities. The men from communal cultures are more fearful, more conscientious, and more prosocial. Fearlessness, is perhaps the most important temperamental trait leading to the development of sociopathy. Furthermore, smoking among women around the world is associated with the largest sex differences in personality. This is interesting because maternal smoking has been linked to sociopathy in offspring (see Maternal smoking linked to sociopathy in Offspring).
Wait a minute. How do we determine androgynous thoughts? In other words.
How can she measure that if that doesn’t exist?
FEARLESSNESS is NOT the most important tempermental trait. Lack of empathy does not make one fearless.
Stalin was not fearless. Stalin was paranoid.
Hitler was not fearless, Hitler was paranoid.
Hillary is not fearless, she is paranoid.
I wish her links went to real papers and not to other drivel ideological discussions in circles.
So see, doesn’t lead to the study, see leads to a bunch of idiots cherry picking an abstract.
If you are waiting for her to show her assertion, prove her point, or anything like that. you wont get it.
So how do we put this all together? I think maleness and the hormone testosterone make boys more sensitive to early environmental experiences. If boys are raised in a loving environment, where social bonds and self-sacrifice for the family are strongly encouraged, then they will grow up more loving and prosocial. If boys are raised to be independent and look out for number one, they are more likely than girls to develop antisocial attitudes. Add to that, the effect environmental toxins have on impulse control and you have an explanation for the high prevalence of sociopathy in our society.
How do we put what together? Wrong assertions as to key sociopathic traits.
And an agenda so wide you can drive a truck through.
Whats even more amazing is that she is so used to cognitive dissonance that she doesn’t see herself contradicting her ideology while trying to prove her ideology.
I think maleness and—.
Wait a second. didn’t she just tell us that that’s all a cultural construct?
Then how can you get “maleness” as a cause when it’s a symptom not a cause?
And how does testosterone make boys different from girls and not be a “a preprogrammed unfolding of the genetic plan”?
If boys are raised in a loving environment, where social bonds and self-sacrifice for the family are strongly encouraged, then they will grow up more loving and prosocial.
This is wrong. period. this denies a biological basis for sociopathy. And if she read information that was not cherry picked as conformational she would have seen the recent mri studies that show their brains are different.
She can understand that color blindess is biological, she cant understand that love is biological
If you don’t have the rhodopsin molecule then you don’t see a color. In fact if anything along the chain that has to happen breaks down, then you don’t see a color.
Would she say that seeing color is a cultural thing? guess what, these ideological people HAVE said that.
And she is actually more akin to the religious Christian Science people than she is along the lines of classical real science.
What if a person doesn’t have the attachement points for oxytocin, or they are weak.
She takes for granted that she likes goodness thinking someone instilled that in her”
She has never worked with sociopaths. Period.
She believes that if they had nice homes that they would be nice people. she confuses secondary sociopathy as a defense mechanism with primary sociopathy, which is just how they are.
If one is clever one will see that her attitude and ideology are exactly whats sociopatsh would want normals to think so that they could create havock. Wahts also potential is that she could be a sociopath too. she likes a sociopathic polity.
Anyone care to lsit out the worst historical sociopaths since the French revolution and put ther ideology next to it?
Hitler: socialist
Stalin: socialist
Mao: socialist
Castro: socialist
The list of the greatest mass murders since the French revolution have been socialists. Socialism is modern monarchy, a modern feudal state in which the good people are tricked to serve a sociopathic leadership.
Feminism is totalitarian.. it’s a branch of communism.
Yeah.. she doesn’t believe, because she didn’t believe the sociopaths that are tricking her.
She is blindly following people of the same ilk as the short list above.
“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10
“A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.” – Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806
“The Women’s Caucus [endorses] Marxist-Leninist thought.” — Robin Morgan, Sisterhood is Powerful, p. 597
“No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” — Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18
The reason the US has so many sociopaths is the same reason that russia has them. the children of derzhinsky have been pushing the same hell on the US.
Lenin was the first to make no fault divorce.
Sex education was lukacks and hungary
All socialists wish to destroy religion and family. One only has to read the piece by mamet in the village voice and realize that it was his rabbi that forced him to listen to the other side, and so broke the spell
Feminism is part of a soft eugenics program.
Right now the brightest and best women have chosen to not have children. demographically that would do what?
Margret sanger feminist hero started planned parenthood as the negro project to exterminate the blacks.
She wrote about it in her AUTOBIOGRAPHY.
Feminists twist M Einstein as the math person not A Einstein.
But I bet that feminist above knows nothing of emmy” because emmy didn’t do it with feminism, she did it on her own.
Like most other women in history. Note that after leftist feminism, we haven’t produced ANY great women like in the past.
said by Einstein in eulogy to be “[i]n the judgment of the most competent living mathematicians, […] the most significant creative mathematical genius thus far produced since the higher education of women began.”[2] Almost universally known as Emmy Noether, she had penetrating insights that she used to develop elegant abstractions.
So here we have a person under the thrall of a sociopathic ideology trying to deflect us away from real sociopaths and make men sociopathic as a group. Gender racism excused by the faulty logic of oppressor and oppressed class dilectics.
I wonder if she knows that feminists were originally terrorists? (rote zora).
That they are silent as to the gang rapes in malmo, Norway, etc” because multiculturalism trumps feminism in totalitarian socialism.
Do some deep study into the history and the direction that all the communist fronts are taking us.
The US would never go with exterminating people by force, but if you make life hard, hit them with propaganda, then Margret sanger said we can trick them into self extermination.
“Birth control: to create a race of thoroughbreds.” — Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, November 1921, (vol. V, no. 11); p.2
“More children from the fit, less from the unfit—that is the chief aim of birth control.” — Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, May 1919 (vol. III, no. 5); p.12
“The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” — Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. – Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College.
So which is the sociopathic system? up is down, down is up. bad is good, good is bad. arbiet mach frei”
We follow the seven sins now, not the virtues.
Feminism is devolving us. Since we don’t believe in genetics, we don’t believe that making good mate choices matter.
Shoot, this doctor believes that sociopaths can be cured, and sociopaths are not born, and therefore every man has a sociopath in side them.
She thinks the argument over stem cells was an argument on limiting science.
Nope. We now are going to make those cells from adult lines.
So why arent feminsits happy?
Because they lost justification for their eugenics program.
If you can justify the use of the states monopoly on deadly force to steal from one group of people and bless another.
Then that same process can be applied to steal the life of a growth, and redistribute the wealth of life to the elite.
She hasn’t noticed that her side is responsible for 165 million deaths by torture and such, she excuses them.
She even follows the same ideology, but doestn know it. she really doesn’t understand how this happened in germany.
How she is a part of it happening the exact same way here”
Duped by sociopaths she is now a useful idiot teaching the world how to make it better for them.
Take everyone of the leftist or feminist goods, and analyse whether it makes things better sociopaths you will get a big surprise.
She doesn’t understand dialectical materialism, and material equivalence.
Serial monogamy is mathematically the same as 20 sociopaths sharing a harem of 50 women in which the women upkeep themselves.
A man with a harem can have a new woman every week.
A man with serial monogamy and feminism can have a new woman every week.
The difference is that now she is on her own”
no friends to protect her, no family, and taught all the ideas that open her up to being played.
This person doesn’t know sociopaths at all.. she is a well educated dunce whose nice nature keeps her from accepting the fact that there really are bad people out there that want to hurt and that no amount of niceness, childhood love and such will make better.
Heck I bet she doesn’t even know where do it for the children came from!
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
Mein Kampf; the Ralph Manheim translation published by Houghton-Mifflin, 1943. pg 403.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
So who is she really following?
Turns out she is being used by the sociopaths.
Few are ready to recognize that the rise of fascism and Nazism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies. This is a truth which most people were unwilling to see even when the similarities of many of the repellent features of the internal regimes in communist Russia and National Socialist Germany were widely recognized. As a result, many who think themselves infinitely superior to the aberrations of Nazism, and sincerely hate all its manifestations, work at the same time for ideals whose realization would lead straight to the abhorred tyranny.”
— F. A. Hayek, “The Road to Serfdom.”
“You can’t make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society” – John Dewey, “the father of modern education,” – avowed socialist, co-author of the “Humanist Manifesto.” & member of 15 Marxist front organizations.
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas socialist party presidential candidate
Fascism is not some kind of right-wing, militaristic, religiously motivated authoritarianism. Historically, it is an outgrowth of socialism. Mussolini was the leader of the most radical wing of the Italian Socialist Party. He was violently anti-Catholic. That liberalism (social democracy) would adopt chunks of the fascist program as their own is evidence of an impulse within the liberals toward snuffing out liberty in favor of equality.
Snuffing out liberty in favor of equality
How procrustean of our happy indoctrinating teacher.
artfldogr–
I’m sorry, but after only six years of college and a couple of degrees, I am unable to understand your point–I can’t under stand for sure if you are pro or con to fascism, socilalizm, or legal equality of the sexes…
You have put in lots of words and ideas, and quoted various people’s ideas, but somehow I am too dull to understand how they flow into an idea or an opinon.
Maybe if you would use tiny little words, and shorter sentences I might be able to understand. Thank you.
Artfldogr –
What was that? I am degreed as well, and not only did I loose interest in what I did read, but what I did read made no sense and formed no opinion…I agree with you OxDrover. And I am usually so patient to people who stumble on here…I can’t even pity this one because I don’t know what they were talking about.
you are right. i came out of nowhere with that and that was wrong. it was out of context, and assumed too much prior knowlege. (it came after a heated debate with another person, while that is no excuse or justification that makes it valid, it might explain the context).
I was quite a bit offended in the fact that ideology is a basis of knowing rather than empiracism of some sort. the fact that someone can ignore so much to assert so much and then hear others chime in as if its a club and they dont realize stuff was a bit upsetting to me. ultimately all this plays with peoples lives, and while i am pretty smart, i have not come up in privileged background and have watched such cliques describe a reality that doesnt match and then go out and teach that schema to others.
for a neutral example away from this and the people here.
I was reading a nursing book on various domestic violence. the book wasnt big, but it was notable in that it was a textbook used at a medical college, and a reference in their library.
what is interesting was that the book was ideological tinted, so the information in it, or not in it would define the world of the nurses that were taught it.
people have a weird way of living through their definitions and ideas of the world rather than the world itself. depending on how they are taught they can get a kind of mindblindness to things. police taught that purple people never commit crimes, will bias their judgments later and excuse behaviors that are not extreme enough, and if they are, they cause dissonance.
the book basically taught that violence went in one directoin, from the father figure, to the mother, children, and elderly. there was no mother to children violence, no female to male violence, etc. not one mention at all. none.
so what kind of world would the person who went to a lot of school have if that was part of their curriculum?
degrees are great, but they arent perfect, and they are a product of a predefined world view. more so if the world is so keen on ideology based views. dont get me wrong, i do respect a degree, and i do hope that my wrong usage of terms is understood correctly…
the person who wrote the starter piece is a teacher, she has already said she is injecting an ideological view. a bias into the minds who are not their for bias.
now 6 years from now, they will sit and judge the world with a set of degrees and will they understand someone that is very poorly trying to point out their bias?
i was wrong in how i approached that. totally wrong as you obviously were willing to hear a less copious and more back and forth dialogue. i am more used to the net denizens that are quite a deail thicker and who tend to only give you once chance to say something.
Ok – I get there was an apology in there…But do you even know what type of blog site that this is?
Notice how YOUR “opinon set” influenced the way you approached OUR DISCUSSION GROUP—
“I am more used to the net denizens that are quite a deal thicker and who tend to only give you once chance to say something.”
Also the way you wrote it, with quotes by others interspersed within your diatribe it was very difficult to know if you were speaking that or if someone else was being quoted.
This group is a DISCUSSION group for victims of people who are psychopathic. It is also for learning what kind of people who are labeled “psychopathic” DO, how they tend to think, how they tend to act, and the genetic as well as cultural differences in them.
The PURPOSE of this group is to facilitate healing in those people who have been victimized by people with these personality DISORDERS. This is a condition that while it has genetic, psychological, social, cultural, behaviorial, and emotional components is essentially a manner of treating others as OBJECTS, and completely without remorse of any kind.
The people who post here for the most part have a common experience and a common interest and are very accepting of ideas of different cultures and psychological outlooks, we all have OPINIONS and we try to respect your OPINION and each other’s opinions.
In a philosophical discussion, which this sometimes is, as well as a spiritual discussion, we feel free to say something like “My faith in Jesus helped me make it through the emotional pain” and someone else may say, “My faith in Allah helped me make it through the pain” and someone else may say “I used Yoga….” etc. NONE of us try to change anyone’s ideas, thoughts or beliefs, but we try to support each other, in different stages of grief and recovering from this devestating emotional injury which is imposed upon us by being victims of people without conscience, without remorse, and who are geneticly programmed NOT to be able to care about others.
How you grow up is not 100% how you were raised, there is a genetic component–just like you can raise a tiger to be a house pet, but when it grows up, it WILL BE A TIGER, not a house cat. It is geneticly programmed to be a tiger.
There is valid scientific evidences to support the things I am saying, these are not just opinons that I picked out of the air.
You may disagree with me, and that is your right. You may ignore the evidence that the world is round and say it is flat, but that does NOT change the shape of the world.
While learning about how in general the psychopaths think and behave, there are some “signs” in behaviors that point to this personality disorder. Our purpose in this group is to support each other for healing and in learning how to “spot” those behaviors in other people we encounter in our lives so that we are not ever again prey for these people.
In other words, we are like a flock of sheep having a seminar on how to identify a wolf from a shitzu so that none of us ever again get driven into a corner and eaten alive.
We’re here for a positive purpose not just to sling word salad.
i am not disagreeing with you on most of your points
however, the starter here was talking about class she teaches and how she is projecting her view.
NONE of us try to change anyone’s ideas, thoughts or beliefs,
if one is skewing the work towards some personal side and they are in a trusted position to be educating then indoctrinating is not what they should be doing (despite the teachers meeting asserting that way way back)
and one of the reasons i floated on through is i have had some real good experiences with such people. (sarcasm)
you see the socialists in the new york school system thought it would be good to alleviate tabula rasa by taking the smartest kids from the EP class and putting them in the NOVA class. this was late 60s early 70s when such ideological things started allowing them to experiment.
later in my life, by dumb accident i ended up too close to one and didnt realize what i had. she ended up faking her murder… that destroyed my career… and i got to know how our police system really works… she showed up a year later before murder charges were leveled on me… but my career was over… later she took off… though i had shared custody… at some point she took my son, and two more kids and went and robbed a bank. she served almost two years for that.
i have known a few more…
i am not a sucker for them, i see em coming but sometimes your stuck on the tracks… early, when i was young, i accepted a bit of the ideology… who knew that anti-elitisms result would be not to have common sense to throw garbage out of your life and rationalize guilt through association away.
you may treat em, i lived with one…
There is valid scientific evidences to support the things I am saying, these are not just opinons that I picked out of the air.
i am sure. i work in a medical library.. was a bronx science attendee… dont sleep much and have read papers copiously since i was a child. i am also a musician, an artist (signed to an agency), and generally make my living writing and designing systems. to which i am working with a geneticist.
though i didnt think any of that really mattered to the discussion… but everyone here seems to love argument through authority. which is exactly the complaint about ideology. its life through authority.
some people are experienced… my family came from latvia.. my other side slovakia…
maybe some people have some knowlege from dealing with politics and they passed them on before families died. maybe they are here alive in the US because they unlike most people they werent sensitive or gullible to the ideology,
While learning about how in general the psychopaths think and behave, there are some “signs” in behaviors that point to this personality disorder.
oh. definitely… but the signs she gave were more for antipersonal disorder or for clinical sociopaths and psycopahts who are the kind that you know about from prison studies.
they arent the kinds like a distant cousin who was subclinical and definitely wouldnt have been detected by ANY of her points.
but the points that i know about like a lot of charm, coolness, glib, social, predatory… and a few others that i learned the hard way… laughs timing is wrong… carco cult mentality… going through the motions for appearances… the taking up of positions where authority is to be listened to without question….. like religious leaders, police, politicians, doctors, even shrinks… (the msm version of this that comes to mind is the doctor in the movie “there is somthing about mary” where he plants things in his patients mind)
We’re here for a positive purpose not just to sling word salad.
sorry… didnt mean to intrude… i should have floated by and rolled my eyes, and kept what i know to myself. in general thats what is best when people have admitted to ideology, they will defend that over reasoning some other thing. they build their lives around the framwork.
you actually think that the germans wanted to do what they did? its a logical conclusion of the framework. its what happens when people live like that and are not free to let their minds form conclusions that the rules say they are not allowed to. it causes dissonance, so they obey the rules to avoid that.
again.. i apologize… been there done that with all this years ago.. glad i have none of it in my life now, and plan to keep it that way.