By Ox Drover
My best friend has been visiting me and, as usual, when we get together we re-share “old stories” of “remember the time when so-and-so did such-and-such and how we laughed?”
One of those stories was a funny one about a small quarrel I had with my late husband. After relating the story, I had one of those “ah ha!” moments that applies to a lot of things in life.
My husband had a partial plate that was almost impossible for the dentist to get seated so that it did not “flop” and my husband used some of that pink goop that you put under a dental plate to keep it glued down. Every evening when he would get ready for bed, he would go into our bathroom, take the plate out, scrape the goop off, clean it, re-goop it, and then replace it into his mouth.
The pink goop, while wet, was the consistency of chewing gum, but when it dried on the sink, it became the consistency of concrete and I had to practically chisel it out to clean the sink. I offhandedly asked him if he would be sure he cleaned it out well before he went to bed and he assured me he would do so. I saw absolutely no improvement when I went to clean the sink the next time and I became irritated.
I asked him again to please make sure he got it ALL when he cleaned the sink and he assured me he would. Again, when I noticed that there was still no improvement, and now quite irritated, I started to nag him about how inconsiderate he was to make me have to chisel this stuff out of the sink, when it would be so simple for him to wipe it out when it was still moist.
He patiently listened to my tirade then said, “Honey, I am trying, but because it is pink, and I am color blind I can’t see it!”
Well, you can only imagine how small and awful I felt. About one inch high! Of course I knew he was partly color blind, so I should have known he couldn’t see it! His “reality” was not the same as “my reality” because we looked at the same sink and saw different things.
Blind to emotion
After thinking about this story in more detail and more depth, I think that the psychopath is maybe not “color” blind, but they are “blind to emotions” that we can see. Because we can see those things so clearly, we try to explain to them what we think is obvious, and “right before your eyes.” However, just as my husband could look at the sink and only see the “clean white” sink, and I could see the pink globs turning to concrete “right before my eyes,” our misunderstanding was because of the “different reality” that each of us saw.
A psychopath, who is unable to comprehend the “emotions” that go with words like “love” and “caring,” might think. “We are having sex, sex feels good, therefore, I love her. But because sex feels good with others as well, I don’t know why she gets so upset when I have sex with someone else. ”
We would think, though, because our “vision” is different, “we are having sex and the sex is good because we love and care about each other. Because we love each other, we will treat each other well. Treating each other well means we will not purposely do things that hurt the other one.”
My irritation with my husband was because I could see the pink blobs plainly, and I assumed that he could see them as well, and thought he was refusing to wipe them out. In fact, he was making an effort to wipe out the sink, but because he could not perceive them, he had no idea when they were gone, and his only “reality” was that the sink looked clean to him.
Family and friends
I also think this same “reality is what you see” can be applied to our friends and family members who “don’t see” what we see in the psychopath. There is a common thread among victims that “my friends don’t understand what I have been through” and “my friends don’t believe me that he is evil.”
Our friends and family members who “don’t get it” don’t see the same “reality” that we see. They are unable to draw the same conclusions that we draw, and therefore it is difficult for them to believe the same things about the psychopath that we believe. We can see things about the psychopath that they can’t see, just as I could see the pink globs and my husband couldn’t. Our realities were not the same. We didn’t see the same thing, even though we looked at the same thing.
Sometimes though we can see clearly the toxicity of the psychopath, our friends may not. They are sometimes “color blind” to the ability of a psychopath to be the way they can be. They are unable to see, to perceive, what we so clearly see as truth. These people cannot validate our vision, and they didn’t even have a way to know that their vision is defective, like my husband did. He knew he was color blind and couldn’t see certain colors, and because he believed I was honest and had good color vision, he took my word for the fact that the pink goop was there. Unfortunately, most of our friends and family are not aware that their vision is “blind” in this sort of situation. Just as the person who is color blind doesn’t know what color looks like, the person who has never personally experienced the true vision of a psychopath, has difficulty seeing this vision, even when it is before their very face.
We aren’t crazy (though sometimes others think we are!) our vision is REAL and our vision is VALID, and so is theirs, as far as they are concerned. I know it frustrated me for people about whom I cared and thought cared about me, could not “see” what I so clearly saw where my egg donor or my psychopathic son were concerned. I now realize these people cannot see what I see, cannot accept what I have finally so painfully accepted. Realizing that these people are blind in this sphere makes it easier for me to accept that they can’t “see” and can’t “get it.” Just as I had to accept that my husband was doing the best he could to clean the pink goop off the sink, but his vision prohibited him seeing it, I have to accept that those people who have a “blind spot” where psychopaths are concerned are doing the best they can with the somewhat “limited” vision that they are capable of. I also realize that my own vision was somewhat “limited” before the “scales fell from my eyes” and I could truly see the psychopaths.
My vision is my reality. The vision of others is their reality. Maybe those things will never be the same, but it doesn’t mean my reality is not valid. It also doesn’t mean that they are purposely doubting me, it just means that their vision is not the same as mine.
Just like the mythical “vampire” doesn’t show up in a mirror, psychopaths, don’t always appear in their true form in the vision of those who behold them. Just like the soiled sink with its pink globs appeared perfectly clean to my husband, with his limited color vision, psychopaths appear “perfectly normal” to those who do not have the sphere of vision capable of “seeing” them for what they truly are.
Louise, I spent a lot of time (months) believing my S was going to kill me also. He’d bought a shotgun and threatened to kill himself on my front lawn, so I could watch. I always thought he would kill me first, then himself. After a while I realized he wouldn’t kill himself as on some level he was too in love with himself, and I knew he wouldn’t want to kill me and go to prison. But those months of knowing he had the shotgun & the threats…very relieved when he moved across the country. But by then his shotgun had been confiscated by the police here. (long ugly story) But I know how that feels, to be afraid for your life.
There is life after a S. It took me a really, really long time to get over it, if I am really over it even now. I went back to him even after the threats. I missed him. Maybe it’s a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. PTSD. I finally realized he was whatever he was, couldn’t see it, was incapable of change, and I was too miserable to keep going.
I don’t know if this is common with sociopaths & their partners, but I found my tolerance for the intolerable grew and grew and grew. I look back and think “any normal, healthy woman would have left long, long before.” So I have a lot of shame to deal with, and self-recriminations. The how-did-I-let-this-happen-to-me? Why did I stay? Why did I go back?
Kim: I love word play too “time wounds all heals” lol
Camom. yes our tolerence grows, just like in an addiction. because it is an addiction. For me, I was more angry at myself DURING than after, because, I knew damn well it was bad for me, had no good out-come, was really twisted, and still, couldn’t stop…..this went on for yesrs….Once I left, I congradulated myself, because it felt like a victory.
Not completely, though. I still have to account to myself for the seven years i lost (just on the last one) but I am learning all about the reasons why……and its really pretty interesting….God bless you, and all of us.
The horse swirl, or the swirl of hair on a cow is formed during the same time that the brain is formed, it should be low between the eyes, or between the eyes. the higher it is toward the “forelock” (tuft of hair hanging down between the horse’s eyes from the mane) the more skittish the animal will be. Dr. Temple Grandin whho is an expert on bovine and equine behavior did some research on this and it had always been an “old wives’ tale” but she proved it is true.
Every true old time horseman/woman I have ever known would tell you the same thing although they didn’t know the “reason” they just knew it was true.
Disposition in cattle and horses is very heritable, and calm animals produce calm animals and skittish or “high headed” ones produce skittish and “high headed” ones (“High headed” means hyper-vigilent) That’s why I culled out my cow herd of animals with bad dispositons or “high headed” ones.
Horses and cattle too, respect the “dominant” member of the herd but not others, so yes, a horse can respect one person as dominant and not give them a problem while not believing that ALL humans are dominant to them. My cattle were the same way, they knew I was dominant to them and knew ME, but did not accept ALL humans as dominant to them.
Just like my dog may not “sit” when YOU tell him to, though he knows what the word means no matter who says it. some dogs (horses, cows) will “sit” for anyone, but not all will. Depends on the animal.
Yes, the tolerance for the intolerant. I am a forgiving person, and I developed that to an extreme, in order to keep the relationship going. But I guess what happened with me was he reached my threshold for the intolerant. Won’t go into details here, but I will say it had to do with some of his increasingly shocking (to me) sexual indulgences. At a certain point, I realized that in order to remain an active partner in the world he created I really had to exceed my comfort zone beyond anything I could stomach. So that was when it exploded, and around the same time I found this website.
When I first found it, I was in absolute denial – couldn’t ever believe that that could be HIM, and the victim could be ME, but hell, I fit the profile to a T, and unfortunately, so did he in way too many ways. I ran like hell, and everyone who saw me (someone who has lived all over the world) running later told me that a) they’d never seen me so damned upset, and b) they saw it in him before I did. He has lured me back a few times — if only because I feel like I sort of have to keep an eye on him.
Camom – thanks so much for your notes on your fear of getting killed. Mine (to my knowledge) has no weapons, but loves to have a nice knife set in the house, and a couple times he fingered my neck in ways that made me way too uncomfortable. Also said stuff that was way freaky (about killing people.) This was another big alarm for me –
Anyway, I’m in therapy now. And watching my back like crazy. But still do have some contact with him. That love lingers. . . from what I’m learning from this site, though, he has reflected my own self and love back to me, right? Which means that what I really might love is myself–funny thing. I’ve never been good at self respect, much less self love.
Oh, the seams in seeming? — my interpretation of this very pithy speech from Hamlet (Act I Scene ii, I think), who may have been a sociopath of sorts. Or he understood the sociopathic mindset well, because he recognized when and where people were putting on performances, and how to manipulate them:
Seems, madam! nay it is; I know not ‘seems.’
‘Tis not alone my inky cloak, good mother,
Nor customary suits of solemn black,
Nor windy suspiration of forced breath,
No, nor the fruitful river in the eye,
Nor the dejected ‘havior of the visage,
Together with all forms, moods, shapes of grief,
That can denote me truly: these indeed seem,
For they are actions that a man might play:
But I have that within which passeth show;
These but the trappings and the suits of woe.
Dear Doc Ox – What about cowlicks and widows peaks- Maybe the hair can be a warning if we know what too look for?
Henry, I’ve thought about that too, actually. No answer on it though. On cows and horses they all have a “swirl” of hair on the front of their head, I have seen them as low as on just the top of the nose and as high up as into the forelock on a horse (or between the horns on a cow) the “usual” is sort of right between the eyes, but have even seen some that have 2 different swirls. It is’t an “exact science” just a general indicator. People too have “swirls” and directions on how our hair “lays” (my hair on my head wants to fall in my face) but i would think any “swirl” on a person would be maybe just above the eye brows or between them, where the hair is very short and fine so might not be very “visible” I do know that when we were learning to suture, there were these big charts that showed the “grain” of the human skin, and if you cut across the grain it leaves a bigger scar than if you cut “with the grain” just like on leather. I have some places where I got some pretty BIG cuts with the grain on my skin and they didn’t leave much of a scar at all but the guy who operated on my pinched elbow nerve cut across the grain and it left a huge wide, ugly scar.
I think eventually they (medical researchers) will find some kind of medical scan of the brain, or a chemical test that will show some GENERAL information about Ps (at least the most extreme ones) maybe even some kind of treatment.
Hey, Henry, sugar, I am sorry you have had a bad weekend. I actually had a good one, I am getting less stiff and sore and can walk a bit better and these old bones are not hurting quite so bad. We had a bunch of folks out to shoot out on the range, and even the “drama queen” being here with her husband didn’t bother me. LOL when she started in bad mouthing him as soon as she got him out to the range and she and a couple of the girls and I had come back to the house to go get a drink of water, she started in mouthing and I am SO PROUD OF MYSELF I said “Teri, just shut up bitching about your husband. He’s alive and you know what, he isn’t out screwing other women, he goes to work each day, and he loves you so i dont’ want to hear any more about it.”
She said “Oh, I need to vent!” and I said, “well, this is my space and my house, and I don’t want to hear you bad mouth him, so find someone else to bitch to.”
Ain’t you proud of me! TOWANDA FOR ME!
Towanda !~~!! I am proud of you Ox – for tellin it like it is..I have been kinda blue today but those days come less often…concerning him anyway..Back to the hair thing, what do you call it when a guy has one big eyebrow? You know what I am talking about – those dudes are scary. Then you see guys with their hairline almost down to the eyebrow, that’s spooky too.
Neanderthal! Ha ha Nah, I think in animals it can have a general sign of the overall temperment but like I said, it isn’t an exact science in animals and sure not in people, but I think you are right in that some guys (and women) that “look tough” are kind of tough but not sure if there is really any correlation or not.
I am kinda proud that I stood up to her today, and especially since she was doing it in front of other guests, folks who had not been here before. And you know, this IS my space and I don’t have to tolerate people coming into my home and 1) making me uncomfortable and 2) making other people uncomfortable.
And, the nicest thing is her being here did NOT stress me out!
Henry, I have decided there is nothing we can change except our own ATTITUDE about it all. And, that is ALL we need to change. all this time I have been so miserable the ONLY thing I have change is MY OWN attitude. Everything else is the same–my son is still a P, my egg donor is still what she is, and so on, but MY attitude is DIFFERENT. that’s it. That’s “healing in a nut shell” and I wish i had seen this from the get go, it would have made it all a bunch easier and saved me a lot of pain. Ah, 20:20 HIND SIGHT!
Oh Henry Henry! Your words made me well up 🙁 “I hope I don’t go to my grave loving him.”
It is so unfair that we were targetted. I bet you have a beautiful heart and an amazing personhood … perhaps what hurts most is that it was nothing to them. They could have found someone who didn’t care so much … someone who ran around like they did. Someone who was as callous and cold and uncaring. But they targetted us and over years tormented us in every imaginable way.
I was thinking today it is like murder but they lead us to it wordlessly laughing as we select the tools to end our own lives in tears and sorrow. It is horror – they should all be locked away or tattooed in some way to alert everyone to what they are. I am terrified of crossing paths with another one … the wolf can look like the most gentle sheep 🙁
The pain is terrible. I wish there was a camp somewhere close to me but I am far from the rest of the world.
The pain is terrible. Thankyou everyone for not being cheery on this thread – this one lets us realise how painful it is to be tormented to the edge of reality, to the edge of our personhood, and then not believed by anyone around us because the Ps put on such a good show to the outside world. It is a crazy situation!
I am listening to a marvellous Steve Becker interview … not sure if I can post the link, but please moderators just edit it if I am not. Marvellous marvellous rich description and explanation. It made me see again it was not my fault, I couldn’t have done anything to change it, it was never going to change, it was easy to be fooled by his acting… It’s about narcissism but also about sociopathy / psychopathy …
http://www.marthatrowbridgeradio.org/blog/the-crazy-making-husband-radio-show/steve-becker-lcsw-loves-mirage-is-your-narcissistic-husband-wasting-your-life/
CA Mom and Kim … I was thinking a karmic retribution theme with the play on words …
“Time wounds all HEELS” (lol)
My reality is so skewed right now. I’m fighting between my logical head and my emotions and the emotions are winning. I’m in therapy and no matter how many times I’m told that it’s not my fault for what happened I can’t truly believe it. My therapist wasn’t there…how does she know that HE was the sociopath and not me? I did some lying of my own, told him stuff to try to provoke any sort of emotional response from him, tried to test whether he loved me as he said. I got nothing of course. The problem is I still love my sociopath. Even though I put up with all his behaviours he broke it off with me and I miss him and deep down I know I would get back with him if he wanted. I know I have no self-respect left. I’ve ready many of your experiences and they just scream out to me with their familiarity yet I still cant accept that he might be one. On the standard sociopath checklist, he ticks every criteria, and even with this “evidence” I still find it hard to accept. I guess after being told so many times by him that I’m entirely responsible for everything that happened between us I cant see it any other way. We work in the same office and I have to face him everyday and though I’m looking for other work I’m still dying off a little bit more inside each day. Right now he’s the normal one and I’m the crazy one. I can see it all over our colleagues faces. “You just have to forget about it and move on” they say, “Break ups happen all the time.” And when they say these things, I start to think that they’re right, that maybe I’m making a big deal out of nothing, and then I remember what he did…the lies and the manipulation. This wasnt just a breakup, he systematically destroyed any shred of self worth I had. At times, I thought he was psychic with the way he would know exactly what could hurt me or alternativley what would make me feel like the most special person on earth. The thing that helps me through at the moment is that I know these people can’t possibly understand what he is truly like, more importantly they cant possibly understand how his behaviour affected me. I know some of his stunts seem insignificant to an outsider’s eyes but my god how they impacted upon and hurt me. Right now its a struggle just to get throught the day without thinking that I’m nuts…nuts for still loving him, nuts for replaying each incident over and over and nuts for trying to figure out where I went wrong. Well you all know the feeling…