Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
As always thank you for this article.
I do agree the biggest red flag for me is not having my boundaries respected. NO is just that. Every human being deserves the respect if they do not want to associate with someone we don’t feel at all comfortable with.
I make the mistake to be nice and now am learning not to be so nice and worry about the feelings of people who don’t respect mine. Come on don’t they know they have no right to force and manipulate others into their own selfish game?
I’M NOT AT ALL ATTACKING THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WROTE YOU THE LETTER OF AN ATTRACTION HE HAS OVER A VICTIM OF A SPATH.
Just curious as to why he won’t respect her God given right to not engage a romantic relationship with him. Sorry Dude this is a definite red flag.
Well I cant wait to read what Donna has to say about all this..oh my…..
I am sure Donna has this under wraps and knows more than we do. It is hard to judge everything because none of us know ALL of what happened.
We have a lot of pressure points because what we have been through and need our space and time to think about HOW to deal with each situation.
I don’t believe this man is a sociopath, but went to fast for this woman and how he didn’t understand “space and time” I will never know, that seems so easy to understand if you ask me.
Obviously some of us have sharper pressure points than others but at least we are being truthful here.
Bottom line, if someone can’t respect time and space, then there is no way a relationship is going to work.
I am not going to discuss “Andrew”, the individual and whether or not his intentions were that of a caring, genuine person or not because it is not the point, his behaviors and actions are what we need to focus on.
I am not going to discuss “Caroline”, her reasons for ending the short relationship, because I would never attempt to assume what they may be. Whether or not she based her decision on fear of intimacy due to an unhealthy encounter with a spath, red flags that she may or may not have seen in “Andrew” or possibly something as simple as him not being able to match his socks. It is not the point, her behavior and actions are what we need to examine.
“Caroline” made a decision to end the relationship and made that clear to “Andrew” That was her behavior and the action she took.
“Andrew” made a decision not to respect her wishes and continued contact through emails and text messages. “Andrew’s” next behavior/action was to intrude into “Caroline’s” personal world, reading on LF and contacting Donna. Again, we cannot assume how he came to find out about LF, “Caroline” may have told him she posted on LF or he may have discovered it as part of her fack book “likes”. We do not know and that is not what is important.
It is important, very important that we examine BEHAVIORS/ACTIONS and this is why:
“The Impact of Stalkers On Their Victims” 1997 – Pathe & Muller describe stalking as a constellation of behaviors in which an individual inflicts upon another repeated, unwanted intrusions and communications.
“Cyber Stalking – Menaced On The Internet” – Lamber Royakkers says – “Stalking is a form on mental assault, in which the perpetrator repeatedly, unwantedly and disruptively breaks into the LIFE-WORLD of the victim, with whom they have no relationship (or no longer have a relationship)
“A Study of Stalkers” – Mullen et al (2000) – identified types of stalkers
Rejected Stalkers pursue their victims in order to reserve, correct or avenge a rejection.
Intimacy Seekers seek to establish an intimate, loving relationship with their victim.
IMO it becomes very dangerous to OVERLOOK behaviors and actions and is in fact taking a giant step backwards. We on LF are constantly talking of education and change, we need to practice what we preach.
Stalking: I have been a target of that for the past almost 12-13 years now. According to Federal law: only two or more instances shall suffice to constitute legal stalking. Especially if a person is in fear for their life and/or the life of their family and/or loved ones.
There are also sentencing enhancements that the courts can impose,
considering the nature and length and ‘kind’ of stalking involved.
My experience started out as a cyber friendship, moved on quickly, to a cyber romance and quicker still into cyber stalking which then moved into the real world. It was like seeing the devil manifest himself. Seriously.
I have never handed out my trust like M & M’s, in fact, just the opposite. I must have been a real ‘jewel’ for “IT” as I had not had a relationship in quite a few years, BY CHOICE, due to my career and all, except for “IT”, I made an exception. I opened that door when I knew I shouldn’t have. Yes, that is my mistake. Blindly trusting someone who gave me their word and then pushed me from a cliff laughing.
The ‘mental assault’ by the intrusions created from stalking, is over the top. It INFLICTS itself into my world and that is why I changed my phone number. There will be no more infliction of thoughts in my world that are not MY THOUGHTS. Period.
ALL STALKERS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE VERY DANGEROUS.
There is NOTHING ‘attractive’ or ‘impressive’ about a stalker.
It’s like being raped over and over again. Even worse. They like
to ‘hang on’ and not let go. However, I found something they do
dislike even more: jail and charges.
It has gotten and been very quiet lately.
I LOVE IT. (Caps used for emphasis).
I don’t know if I will or can ever trust another man in my life.
Lots of reasons but ppath pushed it off the edge for me.
My space has become MY SPACE and not anyone else s.
Be safe above all else.
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Dupey
I wish there was an Applause emoticon.
That was so well said Milo.
We don’t know anyone’s true intentions. We can never know in any situation we encounter in life. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BOUNDARIES.
It’s difficult to express because boundaries aren’t necessarily about protecting ourselves from spaths, but about protecting OUR INTEGRITY in every situation.
A spath will ask us to “make an exception for me because you like me” or because of some pity ploy. That’s the first step down the slippery slope.
Red flags are “rules” to live by. If we see red flags and then “make an exception” because “this person was really really nice and I liked him” then the red flags will only be good for seeing things in retrospect.
My older sister never liked our spath brother in law (married to the spath lil-sis) , who is a cop but constantly breaks every rule put in front of him. Older-sis, doesn’t make exceptions, she follows the rules. People think she’s boring, my sort-of-spathy-cousin TOLD me that she’s boring. The ex-spath never paid any attention to her. She was totally off his radar.
In every con, the first thing ex-spath did was ask people to violate boundaries. Well, actually that was the second thing. The first thing, was to become your best friend so that you liked him so much that you’d make an exception.
I hope this post doesn’t get deleted. I mean no disrespect to anyone. This is an awesome discussion and so important in healing and learning to trust ourselves again.
Although I haven’t directly responded to this discussion,
I do agree with skylar and with MiLo that any opportunity to
flourish and grow and become more aware is worth listening to.
People who come here aren’t in our living rooms,
we have no reason to fear them, whoever they are.
This is a BLOG not real life. Actually, I think hearing
the perspective from spaths/ppaths is very important.
IT IS an important discussion to have.
I think the two of you really hit the nail on the head…
Wednesday hugs you guys ~ Dupey
Hmm I have a question, what if the victim becomes the stalker caused by stockholm syndrome. Then what?
Wow, Skylar, so true. And here we are at an opportunity to discuss cognotive disonance. Self-doubt. They are masters at creating self-doubt within us. It goes like this:
I have a rule about red-flags and trusting my instincts. There’s something going on here that just isn’t right…I can feel it…my gut feels like it’s full of bats…I need to put some space around this…take a step back, take my time here, so I can (unemotionally) rationally look at this.
Bummmm rush by the spath!!! Love bomb, city. Stalking behavior to circumvent time and space to figure out this IS NOT GOOD. Confusion. Swirling doubt. But spath is so nice, and he really just wants to get to know me, (or help me, or love me, etc. etc etc…_____________fill in the blanks) I don’t want to hurt his feelings, and what if this is IT? What if HE really is the one? I’d be making a big mistake, and after all, he hasn’t really DONE anything…
This is cognitive disonance, and this is the beginning of the end. This is where we lose ourselves to insanity, and traumatic bonding, and it only gets worse.
The only thing that spath did was disrespect a boundry.
Thanks Sky – Hi Dupey
You are so right Sky, we don’t know anyone’s true intentions.
“Andrew”, if you are still reading, I DON’T know what your true intentions were and you may very well be a genuine caring individual who is just rather naive when it comes to relationships. So, please take what I wrote about your BEHAVIORS and learn because if you keep those types of BEHAVIORS up in future relationships, you may end up in some very real legal trouble.