Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
Something else I’ve learned: Anytime you are being rushed into making a decision, it is because the one who is rushing you has an agenda, and he knows that if you have time to think about it, the emotional energy he has created around the decision will have dissapated, and you will have your wits about you, and you will make a rational decision…the person rushing you will probably lose out. You will decide on your own behalf…not on behalf of his agenda.
If the victim becomes the stalker via Stockholm Syndrome, and I think I can probably say this because of the experiences I have had:
If the ‘victim’ becomes the stalker through Stockholm Syndrome,
and the ‘victim’ knows it, they should force and discipline themselves
into a more important lifestyle.
Get a new perspective.
Set boundaries.
Take control in a positive way.
If any person has to resort to stalking to have a relationship,
it isn’t worth it. Turn the focus around inside on yourself instead of IT.
I don’t like to think of myself as a ‘victim’.
I am a ‘survivor’.
HI MiLo!! xxoo
Sure is quiet these days.
😛
Kim,
I’m intimately familiar with “making exceptions”, I did it all the time. I’m still prone to do it, but now I recognize it. This is narcissism and I learned it from my family.
In my family, we have different rules for US and THEM. It’s ok if we break some rules because it’s US and we aren’t bad. Only other people who break rules are bad. So for example, my dad said that he never wanted to hear ex-spath’s name again because he tried to kill me. YET, my spath-bro did too but he’s allowed to live in the basement. And spath-sis attempted to have spath-bro sent to prison, (where I’m sure her spath-husband would have arranged his death) and she is still welcomed into the home. My parents have both acknowledged that spath-sis and spath-bro are evil, but they won’t change anything about their relationshits.
Double standards are the epitome of narcissism. They “feel” right, even when we KNOW they aren’t. Yes, that’s cog-dis.
Dupey ~ Peace and Quiet is all I strive for in my “golden” years. Never seems to happen, but I continue to strive !!!!
Glad to see you are feeling chipper these days, it is great to hear.
How’s you dear daughter doing?
And Skylar, this one little tiny boundry violation may be the first “test” to see if we are suitable supply. Just how “easy” are we?
I’m thinking more right after a break up after a spath, if he suddenly out of the blue dissapears as they usually do, the “survivor” is a totalt wreck as they usually are, “survivor” start stalking without being aware of it them self. Let’s say the “survivor” is so confused, chrused, has been brutally abused and hurt, and wants answer, goes to the spath apartment to see if he has someone else and so on, but stops after a couple a weeks. The person is a mess and wants answers, but the spath refuse to give any but still comes around when it suits him. It’s still stalking, but how does it work this way? The stalking theory I mean?
I agree with Back_from_the_edge, but if the survivor isn’t aware, just so desperate that they do not know what they are doing. I’m not saying it’s right either way, I’m just interested in your theories.
One thing about Andrew was his involving someone else (Donna) in his quest for Caroline.
My spath sister does the same thing…she never gets her hands dirty. One time, knowing my issue about sexual molestors, she made a very believable claim that my cousin’s were molesting my older brother’s child. She said she saw marks on the child when she changed her diaper. These cousins were BOTH known for child molestation but my older brother still allowed them to stay in his house – with the child there!
So of course when my spath sister is telling me wild stories I’m going to act – she counts on it. So I phone the ministry of children’s services and they investigate, finding nothing.
My older brother phones little spath sister and tells her someone called the ministry on them. Spath sister was SHOCKED and then said to my older brother, “It was ____ (my name)! She said she might do that!
WTH? This was my life. Between my MNmother, sexual abusing stepfather, and absent ppath father…now I was dealing with a master manipulator who also destroyed my family relationships.
Spaths feel out for supply, check in with their vulnerabilities, and use them against people in any way they can. Somehow they always seem to come out on top looking like the chicken who ate the golden egg.
P.S. My brother disowned me for 10 years. I missed his wedding, and could not see my precious nieces.
Another time, more recent, my sister had her best friend call the ministry of children’s services on me! Said I was not good for my granddaughter.
That was hell on earth for a while but now that friend has seen the light (so to speak) and called me to say she was very sorry; that spath sister really had her going about me. Now we are facebook friends.
Great convo going on here…
MiLo: Oh yes, after my heart attack and two subsequent heart surgeries,
I put my foot down (or up as the case might be-hehehe), because
I am NOT giving up MY LIFE for the garbage life and world of the ppath.
PEACE & QUIET.
Without the intrusions, inflictions, surprise visits, dramarama,
stalking – all of it. WITHOUT IT ALL. A person definitely MUST
draw the line at death threats. Hm? Only a fool would ignore
THOSE ‘red flags’.
For the first time since I was a teenager, prior to motherhood,
I am able to JUST BE MYSELF and THAT PIECE OF TRASH is
not a part of what is left.
“Chipper” is one way to describe what I am these days, MiLo. hehehe
My dearest daughter is doing so wonderfully with her life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just bought a new home and making a comfortable ‘landing pad’ for
her dear old Mum…how fortunate am I? Hm? BLESSED is more the
word for it. I always have a place to go to just rest now, in my
‘golden years’ and now with this heart condition, well, I know my
daughter will take care of me.
I so have this figured out now.
That monster will NEVER come around me again.
@.......@POOF@.......@ just like spoons exploding smurf.
I really do believe that ugly monsters like that end up getting
what they have dished out in some way or another. I SEE IT
HAPPENING IN MY SITUATION: TRUST ME: They eventually
get what they have coming. They always make it happen
to themselves, too. Mark my words. They can’t help themselves.
They live for the attention and drama.
The very BEST thing you can do with a ppath/spath is to ignore
them. Just cut them out of your plan and seal the avenues to
yourself and ignore them. They will eventually get bored with
you and move onto a new ‘victim’. Trust me, it’s true.
YAY!!!!!
Sunflower: be gentle with yourself.
You are coming through an emotional and psychological shock.
It affects your physical as well as emotional state.
You are going to have to dig way deep down inside and forsake
what your heart is telling you, lest it devour you. Do you hear
me and understand this?
For almost 13 years now, I have had a psychopathic stalker.
It has been very horrific. Seriously. STOP wondering what “IT”
is doing; STOP following “IT”; ‘researching’ IT…find an alternative.
LIARS are not worth it.
Kim,
boundary test! definitely.
Speaking up,
yep, they certainly do that. They use our STRENGTHS against us. They know we rely on our strengths and they are going to make sure we will regret it. We will learn that we are not so strong, they’ll teach us that lesson. They’ll teach us that we are weak and powerless. That is how they shame us. Shame = powerless.
The defense against that is to not overestimate our strength and responsibility. Allow the world to balance itself out, have faith that it will.
Dupey,
you sound so much better these days. It makes me wonder if I should try that lexipro!
Maybe I came across wrong here. I never stalked anyone, but I’ve been stalked by spath #1. I was just wondering what if it was the other way around. I’m sure that some people in their distress don’t think clearly. Should they be labeled as stalkers or mentally unstable in the moment thing. Alot of people do stupid things when they are not thinking right, but afterward they see it was wrong and reget their actions.