Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
My how ya-all have progressed. my therapist says i’m a type a personality. i know i’m not super emphatic. and i never had any trouble walking away from any one who displayed red flags. i know i didnt think of it that way. i would just trust my gut. but now i shure as heck recognize it. i’m having to back off and relax a bit lately. feels good to think and do for me. im glad you folks are getting it and growing and still retaining some of what makes you so beautiful! you are so very brave.
sincerely
rgc
Sunflower,
when you behave out of character, that’s a red flag that something is wrong, somewhere in your life. Perhaps you are being affected by a spath.
In my case, my spath never walked out on me. Well, if he did, I didn’t notice, so he just came back. lol! Honestly, I didn’t care when he disappeared for days. He always called and I found it annoying. But when I left him, OMG, the stalking was off the charts. Even when I didn’t leave him, he was putting bugs and tracking devices on everything. Argh!
So here’s the part that pertains to your question:
He tried to get me to STALK HIM. I know that he did because at the very beginning, I felt the overwhelming need to follow him and find out what he was up to. Now I understand that the lies and shady behavior was INTENDED to make me suspicious, so that I would stalk him and look crazy and even convince myself that I was crazy for doubting him. Then he’d have carte blanche to do what he wanted because he could always point to my craziness.
Thank God I didn’t fall for that. I don’t stalk. I KNOW I’m not a stalker, so I didn’t. Instead, I let him do whatever he wanted and didn’t make a peep. He must’ve thought I was incredibly stupid that I didn’t even NOTICE all the obvious creepy behavior. It’s not that I didn’t notice, I just didn’t react. Even then I could tell he wanted a certain reaction and I wasn’t going to give it to him.
Spaths want to turn us into them: paranoid, suspicious worms. When you are behaving out of character, ask yourself, WTF? and look around for a spath.
Oh yes, spaths/ppaths are FAMOUS for employing others to fight their battles. Especially ‘love/sexual interests’. They don’t like to dirty their
hands to do the ugly stuff, they employ ‘minions’ to do it for them.
All the while, they are laughing at the whole situation.
A situation that they caused and that makes them feel so special
and powerful. They LIVE for that.
That validates them in huge ways.
Best thing to do is cut their supply of involvement and attention.
lol, ok thank you. I see most of you assume the thought crossed my mind, but honestly, I am not a stalker. I assume most of you are americans. In the us you have much more extreme cases and strickt laws. In my country we don’t. We can’t go to a judge and get a restraining order to keep a person a hundred yards away- there’s no such thing here. We do not have so many extreme cases as in the us either, therefore I’m only wondering where does the line go? Because, I’ve seen a lot of ugly break-ups where people have done so many stupid things, but they have never been labeled as stalkers. Most of them have been labeled insane in the moment type of thing.
And yes, Skylar, my ex tried the same thing with me. He wanted me to babysit him at parties so he wouldn’t cheat on me. It wasn’t his fault the ladies wanted him and it was my job to make sure he didn’t cheat. I told him to get the F*** out of my house….again…. he said he was only joking and I was beeing jealous, didn’t hear him right, I imagined it all….bla bla bla… You know the drill….
AND I must add, a-ha moment for me here… so that was his intention! All the making me jealous, controlling thing. Making me act crazy so he could…. he did smearcampain me when we were togheter (right infront of me actually) to his family, job, friends….. Now I see…
You guys are so good! Thank you!
skylar: Lexapro.
My one counselor, who prescribed it for me said that it is one of the
first two that is tried in situations like mine. It helps with my anxiety
and PTSD symptoms. JUST IN A HUGE WAY.
It is and has been like a miracle for me.
Of course, not every medication works well for everyone.
It’s a try and see kind of thing.
One of the previous counselors I had seen, tried me on a drug
merry go round, within a matter of a few weeks, I think I had
tried everything on the market and it all only made me feel worse.
I finally FOUND a new med spec/counselor who introduced me to Lexapro.
It works like an amazing miracle for me but takes time
to build up in your system and your body DOES become addicted
to it and it does require slow withdrawal.
It works like an amazing miracle for me.
Thank you for noticing that I am making progress.
That makes me so happy inside to know you can see it in my
writings and posts!!!
Ding dong, the witch is dead…
The wicked witch is dead.
😉
Donna, really…..I want to thank you so much for posting this article. The discussion is very, very enlightening and empowering to me.
More TOWANDA-ness, here…. I am so encouraged to read of everyone’s strength and resolve to trust in themselves. It gives me hope that I’ll get there, myself.
Skylar, your points, in particular, about having the ability to accept and give love are hopeful to me. I am working to get to that point where I won’t be beating the bushes to flush out every sociopath on the planet.
Brightest blessings
Great posts made by several people! Milo and Sky, fully agree on intentions and explanations not mattering with regards to setting boundaries and respecting as well as protecting them.
Bottom line: there is no way to relate with someone in an adult and responsible manner when boundaries aren’t respected.
Whenever I need to act in class because of boundaries being broken or some requirements aren’t met, I have to apply the consequences irregardless on how much sympathy I may have for a pupil. If my pupils have to do a hometask, I can’t just say, well that pupil I know to be well intentioned and just forgot it at home by accident this one time so they don’t get a note, but that pupil is ill intentioned and will never do what I ask him or her to do so he/he gets a note. I don’t need their explanations of why they didn’t make the homework or forgot it at home, nor do I need to explain why I want them to do homework. Once I start with an exception, then they all will try to be the exception, and I might as well just not give anyone homework.
The same thing goes for boundaries: once we start making exceptions on who gets to disrespect boundaries (because they did it in our best interest, were clueless, we love them, we like them, they’re family, going through difficult times, are a teen, from a different culture, have a crush, …), we might as well not set boundaries at all.
hurtsnomore…
how are you doing?
((hugs))
Speaking-up,
I know the website you are speaking of, and I had problems with them as well…I voluntarily left the site, and found LoveFraud….in my opinion, that site is TOXIC to survivors. It is owned by Sam Vaknin (google him) who is a self professed Narcissist, but is actually a psychopath, (see the film, “I, psychopath”)
The moderators of that site are very toxic as well, all on power trips in my opinion.
Glad you found this site and glad you are away from that site. If they banned you, they did you a favor. Glad you are HERE!