Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
Lillian, I’m so sorry that you’re in this space, I truly am. I have learned that, where I’m concerned, I have no use for fence-sitters. I have no use for people who choose to remain ignorant and enable “Bad People” to continue perpetrating their carnages. Whether they’re “family,” friends, coworkers, etc, Life is too short for me to spend my time trying to force them to “get it.”
I don’t discuss my issues with anyone. I’m getting divorced, and it’s a very good thing – that’s it. I don’t go into what I lost, what the exspath did, or how I got where I am. In my business dealings with local services, I simply tell them that I don’t have money to pay them and ask them if they would consider bartering. Some people respond with very nasty comments (like getting welfare, etc.), and others are open to discussing bartering.
It is one of the things that angers me, from time to time, Lillian – how an intelligent, articulate, and caring human being could be wiped out so cleanly, on every level. But, these days, I don’t have time to dwell on how I got here – I know what happened, and where my vulnerabilities were exploited. What I have to focus on, today – this very moment – is the next step I need to take. I have gone beyond caring whether people believe me, or not. I’m GETTING beyond the guilt and shame for having trusted a predator (again). And, I’m even getting beyond the anger at the exspath and myself, but it’s a long, slow plodding up that healing slope for me, and I don’t like it one tiny bit.
Yes, you’ve lost so many, many things, but the one thing that the bank cannot take away from you is your soul. You didn’t cosign using your soul as collateral, and you have what it takes to throw your fist out (palm up, of course) and extend your middle finger at every fence-sitter that refuses to “get it.” And, then turn your back and move forward. You have this power, Lillian. And, if you want a really good laugh, my education has gone right out the window and I secured a very sporadic part-time job in the service industry! LMAO!!! At MY age and with my medical conditions and health issues, I’m having to hunker down, suck it up, manage the pain, and start where I began when I was just a kid!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
But, I am having a “good” time meeting the public and running myself ragged. I’m doing everything that I can to get other jobs, even if they’re part-time. Once the divorce is settled, I will not have health benefits until I apply for Social Security (if that’s even still in existence in 10 years), and my medical condition is progressive. And……so what? I’m doing this under my own steam and FARK the exspath! (waving The Bird in exspath’s direction) And, fark all of the other people who insisted that they “cared” about me, my situation, and so forth and haven’t even taken the time to ask me how I’m doing.
It’s a whole new situation, Lillian. I don’t have to “like” it, but I’m learning a whole hell of a lot about myself, my boundary issues, my level of tolerance, and some much-needed self-esteem.
You’ll get there, my dear, you wll. You’re GETTING there, even if the journey is dark, desperate, and mean. You are so important in this vast Universe, and all of your experiences are leading you to a place of healing, light, and knowledge that is so very, very meaningful. Never forget how precious you are to the Universe – there’s only one of you, and you’re going to make it.
Brightest blessings
Speaking_Up, I remember that you were intending to take courses for hypnosis – is this the only place to do this?
There may be something to gain from these dreadful experiences and it may be that you’re still vulnerable and raw in certain places where “Bad People” can exploit those vulnerabilities.
Personally, I would have gotten up and walked out on the boyfiend’s launch into sexual hypnosis – that, in the corporate world, could EASILY be construed as third-party sexual harassment, unless the course description clearly stated that “sexual hypnosis” would be discussed.
Sounds like a really toxic environment. I am thinking that I’d scrap the entire thing and either find another source of training, or other options that would pertain to my ultimate goal.
There are only 2 things in this lifetime that I “have” to do. I have to pay taxes, and die. Everything else comes down to a choice of options. And, yeah…..sometimes, the options are rotten all the way around, so I have to choose the most prudent one available. But, I’ve gotten to the point where I’m just not going to tolerate massive stupidity and bad behavior, anymore, regardless.
Brightest blessings
Truthspeak,
That is a wonderful post to Lillian. You are inspiring! I admire you.
-bluejay
Truthy, GREAT advioe about the fence sitters.
Darwinsmom:
Thank you for you input…the course I am about to complete is Clinical Hypnotherapy – and Medical and Dental Association Certified. That self-hypnosis portion was only a 2 hour part of a large program. I’m already at the Master Level. I just need the clinical exam to be able to put a shingle on my door. For that I need 2 weeks more with that same school.
Oxy:
Always so supportive. Another reality check is what you gave me!!! You guys give me strength when I feel none!
Truthspeak:
Thank you for that burst of reality!!!! I’m so tired of doubting myself. It has got to be part of my journey to stop doing this to myself. It’s a long road…Unfortunately, this is the only program I can finish because I already paid them $4000.00. And, there is no other program that I am aware of.
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And then, as I am driving the mountain highway, on my way to Vancouver for the course, my car breaks down!!!
I am really starting to think this program is not for me but if I don’t finish I can’t expect a lot of business at the Master level.
And so I will plug on. Those who responded I am very appreciative. It is really a blessing to have found this group.
Now, off I go to rent a freaking car.
(((((((((HUGS))))))))))
Skylar, a belated response. Thanks for the kind words. You sound like you’re doing well, and you have good people around you.
I haven’t read the full thread, but I will try to make time for it. Every bit I read is really good.
Truthspeak, I agree with what you say about fence-sitters. It’s collaboration, whether or not it’s motivated by fear (which it usually is). They just enable the predator and sabotage anyone who tries to break the spell. I love that you are discovering more about your boundaries, strengths and what you enjoy. Meanwhile, I’m sending my requests to the universe to make things easier for you. (You never know; a request here, another one there, might add up to a change in the weather.)
Hugs to you both —
Kathy
@Speaking_up,
In the situation you’re in, I HIGHLY recommend “The No Asshole Rule” – Chapter 5, by Bob Sutton (Harvard Business Press). Really. I can’t recommend it highly enough, particularly in situations like yours. It’s a really popular book – I’m sure you can probably find it in a local bookstore in Van. And it isn’t long – you can probably read the chapter in the bookstore. It saved my husbands life in a (somewhat) similar situation.
You can get the general idea here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/jobs/28pre.html
@Speaking_up,
Here’s the link to the book, btw: http://www.amazon.com/The-Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace/dp/0446526568#reader_0446526568
The full title of chapter 5 is :“When Assholes Reign: Tips for Surviving Nasty People and Workplaces”.
Also, when you first mentioned the sexual component, I immediately thought of this article. http://www.lorinroche.com/dangers/dangers/sadism.html
If I were you I’d stay well away from either of these two, and anyone who even remotely smells like they’re supporters. Just practice greyrock (look up Skylar’s article on here, if you haven’t seen it yet), keep your head down, and keep yourself safe until you’re through.
You’re only a target because the two of them did a psychopathic ‘shock’ test to test the waters, and you responded to it. ‘Greyrock’ will help you stop vibrating like a victim.
@Kathleen Hawk,
If you’re still reading here, I’d really like to ask you a favour. I’m constantly referring people to your first “Sharks, Carps, and Dolphins” article (“Sociopath proof in 2009”, I believe you titled it).
From time to time I organize groups, and I’d love to get you permission to print and distribute your article to meeting attendees. I’ve gotten Donna’s permission to print some of hers, but I’d like to get your permission for this one. It’s one of the best articles I’ve seen.
I never print or distribute anything without permission, but would love to get your OK to distribute this as handouts. If you’re not comfortable, that’s OK. I just hope Donna keeps this website up for a good many years to come!
Kind regards,
Annie
Annie, would you mind contacting me offline? My email is in my author profile. The author profiles are under the “About” drop-down menu at the top of the page.
Thanks and I look forward to talking with you.
Kathy