Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
Kim, I didn’t see your last post, and I’m sorry if something I said triggered you or upset you, and thanks for wording it as your being triggered (which is a very responsible way to word it). I am only sharing what I believe based on my life experiences. Obviously, the things I believe are not true for you if you don’t share those belief systems. I respect that not everyone is like me. In fact, I’m a bit of an anomaly here. I don’t mind being a dreamer and a visionary – I rather like that about myself, and I think there is a distinct need and place for people like me. 🙂
I want to add that I have a co-worker who was once married to a spath and had 2 kids with him. One of the kids is showing signs of spathdom already. After the divorce, she met a wonderful man who was very patient with her and earned her trust. They have now been married many years, and he has adopted her sons (the spath gave up custody so he wouldn’t have to pay child support). He is wonderful with her, in spite of her trust issues from her past relationship. Case in point. It CAN happen.
I think alot of us are just done with looking for the dream, the fairytale. Buying into that notion with the spaths and then surving them kind of makes us look at life in a more realistic way. We see the seriouness in living life with healthy boundaries. Taking care of ourselves. Perhaps some of just dont have the energy or need for that anymore. We learn alot about ourselve’s after surviving the spath. Maybe we are just to damaged to ever trust again.. And if so that’s ok…Maybe Caroline saw some red flags with Andrew and put the brakes on. I have met a few men that set off redflag’s recently and I dont ignore them..
Hello Ladys,
I am not here to invade your place-I know everyone needs an outlet-someone to listen. I’m here to set a few things straight & give 1 bit of advise. 1st I’ll appologized- I write lengthy emails-a fault of mine. I’ve been appologizing a lot lately.So you know some about me–married 22 years-divorced for 10. I finished raising my 2 kids by myself. I was betrayed-so I do know pain but probably not at the level some of you do.I spent 5 years after the divorce feeling I needed someone-the bars-the dating sites-dance lesson after dance lesson ( enjoyed that )Out of hundreds of ladys I met I found 1 there-not a very good preditor am I. We dated for around a year-she dumped me. Second girlfriend-we dated for about 3 years-we weren’t what either wanted-still friends & still talk time to time.The last 2 years- content with my dog & cable..LOL. I thought. I grew tired of looking. Well I met this lady & Yes I was overly excited-it was all fun again & someone who listens. To those who say I’m scouting my prey-for what ? She is a victim-someone messed with her head. She had everything taken from her & recently lost her job. So what am I scouting- nothing to steal-I don’t want sex as I know thats not how a meaningful relationship is built. I surely don’t want to cause any more greif in this womans life.She told me right off the bat she had to do slow. Totally understandable especially since I found out about the “spath ? “All I know is I really like this woman & wanted to get to know her-my idea is that it takes 2 to 3 years to really know someone. I know I can’t fix the damage done-thats in her head to deal with. I wished she & you others could slam the door on the past, but guess it’s not that easy.My idea of doing things–she suggested a lot of them also. Sounded great-great company & she said she felt normal & safe with me. Well Idid exactly what I shouldn’t have -let her see my excitment-let her know how much I enjoyed every minute with her-complements. Sounds like ” red flags ” after reading some here. I have many faults & will be the 1st to tell you what I think they are if you ask- I’m an open book–another fault-too open.Oh I’m 56 she is 51. When I emailed Donna asking for advise-I assumed she’d give me some or send me to read something. She asked permission to publish my email. I told her OK as long as we remain anonomise & If she didn’t think I would be betraying a trust between me & Caroline. I would never tell anyone of what is said between us. Give me credit for this one–my parents having a get together this past weekend for teir 61st anniversary told me to bring by the girl I like. No didn’t mention that one to Caroline-I did know better on that one.Our last date ( one she asked me on ) ended really well-we both had a great time as always. Then ‘red flags or emotions got involved ” She told me she needed “time & space ” –not much but some & cancelled our next date. maybe we’d see each other the next weekend. Perfectlly understandable. This lady has a lot to deal with & by no means do I want to be an added pain or greif to her. Here is where I really screwed up. I responded with a few emails assuring her I understand & also did a couple of texts. Good morning-good night. In these emails I asked what she wanted me to do–I think here is where not communicating came in. I swear I didn’t fully understand what ” time & space” meant. I was asking her to tell me . Think That pissed her off as I found out ” time & space ” means no contact. Thats where we are now for close to a week & I’ll respect & understand her wishes. My hope is that when she is ready-if I haven’t totally screwed it up is that when she has had enough time & space we can get to know each other & do the things we talked about. Again I appologize to you ladys for the lengthy responce & wish all of you nothing but happiness. Unless I feel the need to respond again -I’ll be gone-off your site.
Andrew
Oh-the advise. Be very -very clear in your boundries you set. You might be dealing with someone who doesn’t know the code words ” time & space “
Star, I believe it does happen. But I don’t believe it just happens by magic. I don’t belive that it just sponteineiously materalizes because I want it to. I don’t believe it is mystical or magical. I belive it happens, not because I maintain my belief in “if I just keep beliving it will happen it will happen. I don’t believe in the whole “falling in love as a mystical experience”, and the happily ever after ending anymore.
I don’t believe in ideal love. I don’t believe in an ideal partner. I don’t believe in a soul mate.
That’s what narcissisits do. I believe in working on my own issues and focussing on being a whole person myself. I am not asleep anymore. I am not waiting for someone else to make my life complete. I am making my life complete. I am becoming my hero. I am kissing myself out of the dream. There is no fairy-tale. If I live “happily ever after, it will because I made it a point to make myself happy.
Well, for what my two cents is worth, I think that it is very difficult for the new love interests/partners of victims. My husband was in my life just as I ended thing with my ex spath. I was you g and had no idea what I had experienced, but my now husband was of great support to me. It helped that he was very mature and understood the human condition very well. He was my friend. Well, friend with benefits. LOL. I was certainly not interested nor ready for a relationship. I was so messed up and just wanted an escape from the pain. I ran away from the past and into the arms of someone I told myself I was just going to have fun with.
The thing is, it turned into a deep and trusting relationship I think mostly because he was so patient and authentic with me. He never expected or wanted me to be anything other than who I was. We did break things off for a while and I went on to try and purge some demons from my past. I was reckless with myself for a few months.
My pony is, especially to Andrew, I needed space and my husband gave it to me. In that time we had little contact. But one day it all clicked and we found ourselves together again. I knew after some time to be on my own, my husband was the one who was ral in my life. Not perfect, but real. I took a leap of faith and trusted that I would have a good life with him. As it turns out, I am more than happy with that decision. We’re there moments of pure terror that I would get hurt again, sure…there still is sometimes. But that is life. There are no guarantees . I’m just glad I decided to let love in again. Lord knows I wouldn’t have been able to face the truth about my ex-spath if I didin’t. I would be bitter and closed off and my ex would have won. He would have destroyed the very thing the I can now give to my husband, love.
Added Note.
Some people are givers & some are takers-so the saying goes. I’ve never taken from anyone. I didn’t have a legal battle over my 2 children-they chose to stay with me. I turned down child support the court offered.
” could be the one ” yes a very poor choice of words. Millions that could be the one-will I find her-doubt it.
Love at 1st site–thats a fairy tale. I’m old enough to know everyone has faults & really knowing somebody takes a long time. Could be if we did spend the time to know each other-it wouldn’t be right-but who’s to say it wouldn’t ?
I made a lot of spelling errors because I am using a new iPad and it is auto correcting everything. Sorry, I hope I made everything clear. It won’t let me correct anything. Ugh!
“Many of us think that finding the right partner will complete a missing part of ourselves, finally making us feel whole. We also believe that this ideal lover will reveal the meaning of life to us. But each one of us has the potential to feel whole and fulfilled from within ourselves to the extent that we can develope our competence in self love, self protection, self care, and self containment. In addition, each one of us searches for and eventually finds the meaning of life for ourselves, rather than looking to our partner to reveal it to us. Our lives are ours; our partners life is his or hers. No one can give us the ultimate answers for our own lives.”
The most powerful tool that a woman possesses is her instincts. To have the focus, strength and determination it takes to TRUST in, and ACT upon those instincts is the most empowering gift we achieve for ourselves and in turn, for our future welll-being, I do believe.