Lovefraud recently received the following email from a man whom we’ll call “Andrew.”
I recently met a lady out of the blue after I had sat at home alone for 2 years. She is the victim of a sociopath—reads & posts on the Lovefraud site trying to heal. She says she can’t tell me all the damage done & I don’t need to know—it’s her business unless she feels she needs to share.
She had cabin fever—had to get out for a night—hence our meeting. Well I had basically given up on finding someone until I met her. We instantly clicked. It was so good for 3 weeks—making plans of fun things to do. I thought it would help her heal—to go have fun again.
I think she started liking me too much in that short period of time—got scared & slammed on the brakes. She says she needs time, but truly values my friendship & adores me. I’m trying to give her “time.” It’s so hard when she lit up my life for a while.
She wants to see me again, but doesn’t know when.
I have no motives other than to get to know her & help her get over the past. She might just be the one if we spend the time to know one another.
I have read the Lovefraud blog trying to understand—some really sad stories.
What should I do?
In the thousands of emails that I’ve received, this is the first time someone has asked this question (which I’ve paraphrased) how do you approach a potential romantic partner when that person has been burned by a sociopath? I appreciate that fact that Andrew cared enough to ask the question.
I will answer the question assuming that everything is exactly as presented—a woman, whom we’ll call Caroline, had a terrible experience with a sociopath and is skittish about opening herself to another man. Andrew honestly likes Caroline, and wants to get to know her better. I will assume that neither Andrew nor Caroline is actually a predator who is looking for a new source of supply.
This, of course, is something that Caroline, and everyone else who has been betrayed and damaged by a sociopath, needs to understand and believe: There are good people in the world. Yes, as many as 12 percent of the population are social predators—sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines. But that still means that 88 percent of the world’s people are not disordered, and are capable of having a loving relationship.
Understand where she’s been
So, Andrew, the first thing for you to understand is that Caroline has been through the meat grinder. She’s experienced betrayal that has rocked her to her core. She’s certainly suffered emotional and psychological abuse, and may have also suffered verbal, physical, sexual and financial abuse. In fact, it may be a miracle that she is still standing.
If you’ve never experienced this level of betrayal—most people haven’t—it may be hard for you to believe what she’s gone through. Should she tell you anything about what happened, it may sound like a bad movie, and you may be inclined to think she is exaggerating. I assure you, when someone is involved with a sociopath, anything is possible. I’ve collected more than 3,200 cases, and many of the stories should be made into movies. You can’t make this stuff up.
Caroline, however, is accustomed to not being believed. She may have gone to court and to the police, and they didn’t believe her story. It’s possible her friends or her own family do not believe her. So one of the best things you can do is believe her. It will help her feel validated.
Go slow
Andrew, you will need take things very slowly. It’s likely that the sociopath swept into Carolin’es life in a whirlwind romance—if you call all the time, if you are overly exuberant about wanting to see her, it may set off alarm bells, because that’s how the sociopath acted. Let her set the pace. Keep things light.
Understand that trust needs to be earned. This may be why Caroline got into trouble in the first place—she trusted too readily. Now, she may have gone too far in the other direction, and resolved to never trust anyone again. This is an unhealthy position, because we do need to be able to trust in order to live a good life. But you may not know how much progress Caroline has made in regaining her ability to trust.
So if you want to move forward, you need to be trustworthy. Tell her the truth about everything. Keep your promises. Call when you say you’re going to call, and show up when you promise that you’ll show up. In fact, I hope that’s how you live your life anyway.
It may not work
Finally, it is possible that Caroline simply is not recovered enough to think about another involvement. If she tells you that she really can’t be in a relationship, don’t argue with her, and don’t take it personally. You may just need to accept it and move on.
But if Caroline indicates that does want to get to know you, albeit slowly, getting closer will probably be worth the wait. Before hooking up with the sociopath, Caroline was probably loving, giving, caring, responsible, dynamic and empathetic—because that’s the type of person that sociopaths target. So if she’s able to find herself, and open herself—well, it could be rewarding for both of you.
Lovefraud readers: If you have any more suggestions for Andrew, please post them.
Andrew,
If she does open up and share eventually, she might want to talk about this longer than you will want to hear about it.
Don’t make comments about moving on. The talking through it is the “moving on” part.
And like many she may become passionate about educating others about this topic.
Lastly, be grateful for what you may learn about this topic from your lady friend. One day, it may help you to spot a sociopath.. like at work for example.
Aloha
Hmmm.. I have skimmed this thread. I feel bad for Andrew, having his words dissected. I am a grown woman and I do say “pissed off” and “I made a mistake.”
Our alarms have hair triggers. This is part of our healing work.
I remember a few years after the Bad Man when I visited Maui, I felt that every man was a predator and that they were “taking with their eyes” things I wasn’t offering.
Following that, I felt terribly uncomfortable when a man approached me at a community event where I live. He was someone I knew a little already and as he crossed the room to talk to me, I felt like he was stalking me. HE IS MY FRIEND NOW!
My brain was fried and I was completely nuts for awhile. One thing that helped… and didn’t help at the same time.. was reading here for hours and hours daily.
LF is WONDERFUL! Truly! I am very thankful for this community and everything I learned here.. but we do become immersed in an underworld where everyone is a predator and everything has a red flag on it.
Be careful with this dear readers…
Aloha
Alohatraveler, you’ve made some very valid points, and I really appreciate the gentle shake to the shoulders, here. I am an absolute cynic about “love” where I am concerned, personally. I’ve been burned good, as everyone else has. And, I’m trying to work on this cynicism and hyper-vigilance.
Also, I think that those of us who are still very raw from our experiences tend to get rubbed the wrong way, regardless – it’s sort of a gauge of where we are on our individual healing paths. I didn’t want to jump to “red flag” conclusions because I don’t know enough about the whole situation to even pretend to have a grasp on what Andrew is expressing. I just know that I need to be very cautious about many things, and “seeing” red flags on every head (male AND female) is something that I really ahve to manage.
I’m grateful for this community and Donna’s courage and vision to educate and provide a place of healing for victims of sociopathic entanglements. Without this site (as I’ve typed MANY times), I don’t even dare to imagine where I would be, today.
Brightest and hopeful blessings
Hurtsnomore…
Good luck…the only advice or thing I could say to you is to always trust your own intuition. I don’t know how old you are but you sound young. I was young and no one believed me regarding the torment I was suffering at the hands of my spath parents/stepparent. I had no voice.
Now, at 53 i am still feeling the effects of that disbelief and even don’t believe in myself the way I know I could and should.
Just keep your head up, don’t give anyone any bullets to shoot you with. Do the best you can for yourself and your future. Everything else will fall into place.
(((HUGS)))
Hurtnomore010, I’m sorry to read about your situation. Are you 18 years old (or, older)? I don’t know if I have anything to offer as far as suggestions go. Maybe, other readers can provide better insight.
Brightest blessings
Dear Hurtnomore,
I don’t know all the details of what happened with you….you said your dad had you put into a mental hospital…I am assuming you are out now.
You are out of school as well, and he wants you to work while you are out.
Is that right?
You are over 18, and no one can force you into a mental hospital unless you agree UNLESS…you are a danger to yourself or others. In other words, unless you are threatening to harm yourself or others. That is the LAW IN THIS COUNTRY.
However, that said, if you live in your father’s house, sleep in the bed he provides, and eat the food he provides, then he has some right to say how you behave. That does NOT mean however that he can have you committed.
Your father is also not required by law to provide you a place to live or food or a bed since you are over 18.
When we accept “help” from others, we have to live by the rules they set. When we are independent and provide our own living, food and shelter, then we do not have to live by their rules.
I know it is really difficult to find a job, especially when you don’t have a college degree or other skills that are very marketable. Also having transportation and all of that is difficult as well.
You and your dad have butted head since you were in high school about lots of things, and it seems to me that he is very much wanting to “control” you.
I don’t know what other resources you have (family, friends) that could or would help you to get out of your father’s house and to get yourself set up independently, but working toward that goal is what will “set you free’ from your father’s control.
Along with independence and being able to make your own decisions, comes the RESPONSIBILITIES of providing your own living. It is tough being “adult” and being responsible for yourself. Believe me I can attest to that.
You are a smart young woman and I know you have had dreams about your own career, but those must be put on hold for now it seems. That doesn’t mean they will never come true, just that you must now find another way to accomplish them.
I worked my way through college with a child on each hip, literally, working cleaning other people’s houses, waiting tables, and working in a convenience store as well as taking care of my children and providing a house for them and for myself. At one point, we were living in the back of my truck in a camper shell. Essentially homeless. It was NOT easy, and I am not telling you that it is. It will be difficult, but you are not the first and wont’ be the last to have to work your way through school.
You are STRONGER than you may realize, so look at the positive things. If you just can’t handle it at your dad’s, look for a shelter where you can go and stay if you must. Do what you have to do to take care of yourself. God bless.
Can anyone else say RED FLAG, RED FLAG, RED FLAG. Seriously….Who else but a spath would dare infiltrate this website and ask other injured people to “help them”. It was all about him. Have we also become so eager to trust and find goodness in others that we are forgeting the most important lesson? Maybe she spotted RED FLAGS and ditched him. Coming to this website to enlist help to seduce her is entertaining to these dark souls. For Pete’s Sake – DO NOT GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION TO HELP THIS INDIVIDUAL!!
I respect everyone’s comments and agree with most of them. I think anytime someone aknowledges that they are looking for facts about pathology, we immediately think they are a potential “perp” especially on a blog like this.
At least I do. At times, curiousity about what the life experience with a person of pathology has been like may be comparative to the show at the circus with the “bearded” lady. Unbelievable.
So, this may trigger many of us back to those moments when we were and still possiblty called “crazy.”
I dont like the word “adore”. It sets off bells around me of danger. Adoration for anyone always leads to disappointment. Always. Putting someone on a pedestal is an inevitable let down.
So, I say perhaps this venue is not the best spot for conversations with potential suitors. We need to begin teaching men that “no” means “no” and support our sisters that say this.
Also, I believe that there are more than 12 percent disordered folks out there. Besides the actual higher number of personality disorders and other mental illnesses – you have many many more folks affected by this crazy stuff. I think the number is more like 20 percent. I give this world – maybe on a good day 50 percent are emotionally and mentally healthy. I think we may see this number go up until we put the brakes on ignorance and begin making our families healthier. Peace to all of you.
EB you make a good point, I have recommended and told some peep’s that I blog on LF, my intent was to help them with what I thot was a sociopathic situation. Well I had a stalker here a few years back and changed my user name thanks to your suggestion. So I wonder who may be lurking out there, oh well, oh my…
I also think some of us are to quick to judge…I have been called a sociopath on the blog, maybe I am but until Donna asks me to leave I am gonna stay…
weird: that ppaths/spaths would come here to stalk and harass.
I don’t really give a rats behind if mine knows I am on here or not.
I hope he is reading every word I have said. I mean every single one.
I have discussed this blog with my counselors and they like it!
Send HUGE KUDOS to Donna for providing us with this safe place
to ruminate and rant and exchange stories and offer support and
validation. These things are difficult to find for people like all of
us who has had a ‘run in’ with a psychopath/sociopath.
I agree and do think hope that it sure does seem like more than 12 percent disordered folks; doesn’t it? Scary.
Hugs ~ Dupey