Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
Wow–all of this is exactly the same for me. Slightly different incidents,same pattern. Divorce should be final Wednesday. I will be impoverished ( along with my youngest–16 yr old son) but at least somewhat free. (He had TONS of debt I didn’t know about, and I have to pay half!)
Still have to live together in the house, though, until sold! Ugh. But he will move (reluctantly!) into the in-law suite.
I am grateful, in a way. I can keep him away from my son, at least until he moves out. He has very little visitation (I fought like a dog!) but some. But while home, he stays completely away!! And I can’t let my sweet son near this depraved criminal. (Compulsive porn user, embezzler, tax fraud!) I want to turn him in but attorney advises against it. He would lose his income. He’s a CPA!! LOL But a HORRIBLE one!
Wish me luck!
Oh yeah–and speaking to those who said their ex turned their friends, etc against them: I DID warn our country club–and I had belonged for 13 years!–about him. When I found out about his embezzlement I felt so bad–because HE is their accountant. I told them i found proof of past embezzlement. GUESS WHAT?? They think I am “an embittered spouse”– and he is STILL WORKING THERE. LOL! Well, good luck to them.
dear LL Mequon,
Welcome to our world! Sorry you are qualified to be a member of our club, but sounds like you get the “delux membership package.”
Seriously, keep on reading and learning and you will come out of this and hopefully your son will see what his dad is.
God bless.
Thank you, Ox Drover! In the midst of divorce negotiations even as we speak!
My soon-to-be ex is freaking about having to eventually pay me any maintenance. Wants me to put in a clause that I hold maintenance open for him–in case I win the lottery. I don’t even PLAY the lottery!! LOL!
Basically he is putting tons of things in to keep me somehow tied to him, because I have to pay half his debt–community property state. 🙁 But I have another theory, too–he can’t face losing his “mother.” Pathetic.
Well, wish me luck!
LL Mequon, I’m sorry to read of your experiences and WELCOME to LoveFraud.
I just finished my divorce proceeding about 2 weeks ago – no children in common and a very, very bad situation, as ALL spath divorces are.
Please, read, absorb, process, and post frequently. If you’re not involved, it may be a good option to consider counseling therapy with someone that “gets it.” Emerging from a sociopathic marriage (especially, children in common) is UNLIKE any trama experience that the human psyche is equipped to manage. To find a counselor in your area that GETS IT about what you’ve experienced, visit http://www.ndvh.org and research the resources in your area.
With regard to settlement negotiations, keep it cool – don’t react, although it’s a challenge NOT to. Keep the kids OUT of the discussion – the trauma-bond with the spath father will only strengthen if you feel obliged to explain or defend yourself to your children. Remember, you’re the PARENT, not their “friend,” yet – parent/offspring “friendship” comes after they have matured and are independent of us.
Let your attorney do the talking and check out the LF article: http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2012/02/10/the-gray-rock-method-of-dealing-with-psychopaths/ This article discusses TECHNIQUES on how to interact with a spath because you’ll likely have to have some contact with this man as per the children involved.
Above all, see to your own emotional and physical needs, FIRST. Counseling, exercise or some kind of activity, getting involved in something that interests you, etc……
Keep reading, LL – you’ll get through this.
Brightest blessings
Caliomg, welcome to LoveFraud, and the court experiences are harrowing, at best. I’m sorry for your experiences and ditto the above response to LL Mequon to you: keep reading, absorbing, processing, and posting.
Brightest blessings
Thanks, Truthspeak–I appreciate your knowledge and comments.
I’m a little bit lucky in that I opted out of the marriage emotionally years ago–knew something wasn’t right, but stayed for my kids. (!) Yes, thought he was at least an ok dad, and they loved him. i’m a pretty strong-minded person, so he didn’t get away with quite as much. And I have a background in psych/social work, so over time–as things seemed to be getting worse–I drew some pretty firm boundaries. He didn’t like it, but could be somewhat intimidated by me! Though I was fooled for a long time by his lies and manipulations, I often would call him out on his behaviors–he hated that! I also eventually discovered some criminal behaviors. I now have the dilemma of whether or not to turn him in. My youngest son and I may lose everything–but can I let him victimize others?
I do disagree about not telling the kids. In a “normal” divorce I believe you should try to get along and coparent. But spaths are different. Kids (well, not a 4 year old, of course!) need to know who this guy is, so they will not be victims–and so they recognize the behaviors when the are adults. My kids are 26, 20 and 16. They all know. The boys (20 and 16) are a little more stressed by it–he was their role model. But they all get it. And I think they need to be kept from him as much as possible, also. I have been relentless in this. And I don’t lose a second of sleep over it.
I found some forged checks from years ago–from clients he still has. Have to go to Judge on Wednesday, as spath wants me to return his “business documents”. I want to keep them–otherwise he’ll be telling people I am “crazy” and lying about him. He does not want me ripping off the mask!!
Wish me luck!!
Good luck LL Mequon!
You sound strong. Every time you derail a spath, you make the world a better place. Go for it.
Thank you so much! I am really feeling supported by this site!
I AM pretty strong. But I have a dilemma: my spath is embezzling–I’m sure of it! Divorce final today. I have a 16-year-old to support for 2 more years. I am tormented: I want to turn him in, but right now could not support my son on my salary. But I do NOT want him to victimize others. And–of course–in true spath fashion, he is USING my son to try to keep me quiet! What do you think? Scared for my son, but I think I know the answer….Also for SURE turning him in for tax fraud!! LOL! I think he knows he underestimated me!!
Funny story: he KNOWS I have copies of incriminating checks he forged. But ARGUED with me right up until court today, to get some table back that I had given my mother YEARS ago!! Worth virtually NOTHING! My lawyer couldn’t believe it–this is her first case like this. I told her I want to work as a volunteer/advocate to help women divorcing spaths.
Thank you all again for your support–it is so comforting!!
BTW, referred my attorney to this site–I think it can really help the courts understand. We have to educate!!