By Ox Drover
I flashed on something a while back. I know a man who went into the navy at age 16. When he was 18, he was on shore leave and met a young girl, rapidly fell in love with her, married her, set her up in an apartment and went back to sea for nine months. When he got back to shore, she was gone. He couldn’t understand why.
Later, when he was 22, he met another girl when he was on shore leave and married her as well. Lived with her a couple of weeks, during which time she got pregnant, and then left her and went back to sea for a year. When he came home, his wife and baby daughter were gone.
At this time, he started thinking about “what had gone wrong” with his two marriages and decided that the “problem” was “American women can’t be trusted.” He had no inkling of the real cause of the problem, which I had no problem seeing. First, both he and these girls were very young; he had only spent a few weeks with them (less than 30 days) before he married them and then left for months and months. During the time he was gone, the very weak bond between them failed and the girls moved on. The fact that they were American girls had nothing to do with the failure of his two marriages.
Foreign woman
Going on his false premise of what caused the failures of his marriages, he decided to marry a foreign woman. While he was on shore leave in the Philippines, he met a bar girl there who had two illegitimate daughters. After he left the Philippines, he wrote to this woman for two years, then returned and while on shore for a week, married her. She was, at the time he married her, working, and living with 26 other family members, including her two young daughters, in a two room shack, without indoor plumbing. The total cooking facilities for this family (or should I say “tribe”?) was a Coleman camp cooking stove bought for her sister by another serviceman.
After the wedding, he brought his wife and her daughters back to the US to live. He educated the two daughters and then the couple had one more daughter. By the time the second daughter was 12 years old and he had retired from the service on a half-pay pension, and was going to college himself, the daughter became “conduct disordered” and “ran wild.” His wife decided it would be better if she and the daughter stayed in the house they owned and that he should move out. She told him that when the daughter moved out at age 18, that she and he would move off and “live happily ever after.” As the girl’s 18th birthday approached, she gave birth to an illegitimate son. The man went for a visit to his family for his and his wife’s 20th wedding anniversary, taking a very expensive pair of diamond earrings to his wife, and so looking forward to the day, coming soon, he believed, that they would leave the daughter and live “happily ever after.”
Taken for a ride
Of course, that didn’t happen, and they were divorced. They hadn’t lived together the last six years of the “marriage,” but he had sent money to his wife and daughter during that period.
What is wrong with the above situation? The man was totally wrong about what the problem was with all three of his marriages. He was operating on bad information, so he could not fix the problem.
He was taken for a “ride” by his Philippine wife for over 20 years. She had been looking for a “meal ticket” and a “green card” eventually leading to US citizenship out of a horrible crushing poverty in the Philippines. I can’t say as I “blame” her for looking to take any way out of her situation. However, he had not the slightest clue what was going on, so he could not fix the problems with his choices and decisions.
Correct diagnosis
I realized, in going over this man’s stories, that I too had had difficulties in making good decisions and solving my own problems because I had not clearly defined what the problem was.
When I was in nursing school, we were taught to define the problems in order to make a correct diagnosis and find a solution. Without clearly defining what the problem was, there could be no correct solution.
In my own difficulties in dealing with psychopaths, and people with agendas that were clearly different from mine, I didn’t correctly define the real problem.
I would hit a snag and be abused and used, just as my navy friend had been used and abused, and I would (as he did) grieve over the losses that resulted from the situation. I would try to find what happened, as he did. However, like the man, I came up with the wrong solution because I didn’t correctly define what the real problem was.
With each of the psychopaths that I encountered, starting with my biological father, I defined the “problem” as me not being able to adequately communicate my love for them. If only I had loved them more, tried harder, somehow I would have gotten through to them how they should have treated me. I thought that somehow I must have precipitated this unholy abuse and pain. Obviously, I allowed it to continue for a long time until the pain became so bad I fled in terror from this monstrous man, but still I didn’t see that the real problem was that he was unable to love, and that my own lack of self esteem and boundary setting was what allowed this abuse to go on.
More psychopaths
After years of floundering around, going through the grief process, my pain totally invalidated by anyone, even my mother, I worked through the process to where I could function again in life. At least I thought I was functioning adequately.
Encountering more psychopaths however, in many roles, some in my family, some as bosses, some as subordinates, one as my son, and eventually one as a “significant other,” I still didn’t “get it” that there was a problem with me! That the problem with me was that I didn’t recognize that they were unreachable, unchangeable, unfixable, that no matter how much I loved them, how much I gave to them, how much I forgave them, how much I “pretended that they had not deliberately hurt me,” I was a sitting duck waiting for the next psychopath or disordered person to get the “benefit of the doubt” from me, to get the “second chance” to screw me over, to use me, to abuse me, to lie to me.
Seeing the light
Finally in 2007, I fled for my life, leaving my home and everything I held dear behind except for my personal papers, one son, and my dogs. I finally “saw the light.” I finally made a correct diagnosis of the problem. I finally saw that I could not change them, that no matter what I did to try to placate them, they were toxic. I could only change my own reaction to them.
I grieved the “loss” of the illusion that my psychopathic son would ever “reform.” No matter how he promised, he was, in truth, a monster who wanted me dead. The loss of the illusion that my mother was my loving mother, instead of a toxic enabler, almost a psychopath-by-proxy because she would do anything to protect my son from the consequences of his actions, was another huge loss that I grieved intensely. I also started to realize that I had great difficulty in setting boundaries for the way that people treated me, and that there were others in my life who used me as “foot wipes.” When these people would lie to me, steal from me, and otherwise mistreat me, I was afraid to “upset” them and confront them, or to “make a scene.”
I started looking back at my life, and at the beliefs that I held to be true, the beliefs that influenced the way I allowed others to treat me. I then realized that like my friend the navy man, I had diagnosed the problems with these people incorrectly. These people in my family and my life did not respect me, but wanted to control me for their own benefit and I had allowed this to happen, over and over and over. When I had gotten to the point each time that the pain was unbearable, I had given in to their desires for control. I had paid dearly for “peace at any price.” They had done the bad deeds, and I had paid the price for their peace, but there was no peace for me, only pain.
My reactions
Having again gone through the grief processes over the losses I suffered—the fantasy that my psychopathic son would change, the fantasy that my mother was not a toxic enabler, and all the other losses—I now see that the problem was not just with the psychopaths, but also in my reactions to them.
I realize now that I cannot deal with them safely, in any way, shape or manner. The only choices I have are to have no contact with the toxic people in my life, no contact with anyone who is not honest, caring and kind. As I continued to stay on the “road to healing” I realized that in the past, when I had gotten over the initial grief of the losses suffered from dealing with psychopaths, I was still vulnerable to the next psychopath because I had not learned to set boundaries without feeling great guilt over “upsetting” someone who had abused me. I realized that no matter what the relationship with a psychopath is, no matter how close the blood ties, or any other ties, that these people will always behave as psychopaths behave, and that is abusively.
Now that I have made changes in myself, made changes in the way I react to abusive behavior, now that I have refused to blame myself for their abuse, and refuse to let abusive behavior continue, I am on a much more solid footing on the road to healing. I also realize that I must stay on this road, that I must guard myself with caution in dispensing trust to anyone in my life, and set solid boundaries for myself. I don’t feel that I can ever declare myself “totally healed” again, as I have in the past, only to try to “fix” the next psychopath that comes into my life. I will always to some extent be vulnerable to the psychopaths, more vulnerable to some than others, but I now watch for the “red flags” that indicate pathological disorder in people I deal with. I no longer trust blindly.
SoChic: The birthmark already says, “Welcome, true friends.” And your gut and your heart actually know already how to distinguish a true friend from a user. Your head is catching up very quickly. You are so far ahead of where you were . . .
I imagine us laughing about this over coffee, perhaps with an ocean breeze under the palms. You are cementing this truth into your brain. And you are still keeping your heart intact, you awesome person, you!
Oxy… you said:
“the pain became so bad I fled in terror from this monstrous man, but still I didn’t see that the real problem was that he was unable to love, and that my own lack of self esteem and boundary setting was what allowed this abuse to go on.”
I resemble that remark.
Thank you! Good one!
Boundary setting, and checking.. is a daily task. Think of it as fixing the fences to keep the docile animals in and the predators… OUT!
Aloha
Oxy,
Thank you for another amazing, insightful post! I have also been working on whatever traits that exist in me that allowed me to let the s into my life. I know that setting boundaries is a big one, along with my need to seek approval from others. I am slowly beginning to learn to love myself (& my own company) for the first time in my life. I feel like I have spent my whole life taking care of everyone but me. I now take the time to do things I like to do, & trying to put myself first-that is a tough one for me! I just am so thankful that I found this site, & I know the wisdom & love found here, has done more for me than anything. I think you are an amazing person, & I thank you for all your sound advice, compassion for others, & willingness to share all this with the LF family.
(((((Hugs))))) to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Stiles,
(hanging head in mock humility, while tracing circles in the sand with my toe) “Ahhhhhh, it were nothin’ ” LOL Seriously, thank you, I think sharing is how we learn, and the “LF family” are all important members of my “community” and are very important to me….I am STILL LEARNING and GROWING because of this amazing group of people.
I know I have the same problems with myself that most/many of you guys have. Like what Henry said, trying to find validation and love from OUTSIDE ourselves, not knowing how to set appropriate boundaries (I’m learning!) not knowing or seeing what the PROBLEM really is before I start trying to fix it. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. all of these things are things I have dealt with and in some cases AM STILL dealing with.
I feel in some ways like I am an emotional teenager, learning to like MYSELF the way I am, rather than try to mold myself into what the OTHER KIDS think is “cool”—-I think I have been doing that my entire life, trying to BE what my egg donor wanted me to be rather than being who I REALLY am, and liking who I REALLY am. Sometimes I still get a flash and think, “I shouldn’t be like that” when I do something she would not have “approved of”—but IT IS OKAY TO BE ME, I AM OKAY! (Ok, class, write that phrase 500 times and turn it in on Monday!)
BTW Henry, every woman on LF is “in love” with you, we would all be so glad to have a man (if you ever go straight) who is as kind, caring and understanding as you are! SO THERE!!! BOINK!!! (((hugs))))
Aloha, glad you are still here reading.! Know you are busy, we will be thinking about you when you start your Masters program in August! It is getting close! don’t lose touch!!!
i love this post. could almost be a metaphor for the last 5 years of my relationship with a sociopath and his mother.
i became their target at a time when my biggest vulnerability was 100% unknown to me.
i had a chronic, incurable, undiagnosed medical condition. memory problems, fatigue, cognitive issues, vision, walking, muscle weakness…i KNEW something was wrong, but as i kept seeking medical attention and none of the doctors put all of the symptoms together- because they would happen at different times over time-i began to doubt myself (encouraged by the abusers in my life at that time) and started to think, wow-they must be right, it MUST be ME, i must really be an inept, selfish, lazy, useless, fraud of a person looking for some excuse for how defective i am (can you say projection-on their part?)
i lost confidence in my ability to function as various parts of my anatomy disintegrated only later to restore…felt that i must be going crazy, or maybe had blown the symptom out of proportion (how could i lose my vision to the point of almost being blind…only to weeks later be able to see as tho i had never experienced the vision loss in the first place), suffering fatigue so debilitating that i could not move for weeks, the experience of physically self-destructing at the same time as i was being undermined and verbally abused, accused of faking it, wanting attention, lying, being lazy, not a whole person/defective, not all there, making it all up, not wanting to take responsibility for myself…all the biggest lies in the world if you knew me like i had once known myself (or like friends knew me).
yup, i started to wonder-what the hell is wrong with me, this isn’t like me not to be able to function-self doubt and confusion crept into my thinking and adopting my abuser’s view of me became easy-backed up by what was happening to me physically.
i also think the abuse probably delayed my ability to keep trying to seek an accurate diagnosis-finally giving up and giving in to my abusers opinions of me instead of trusting my own knowledge that something was very wrong and no, what they said about me did not explain the reality of what was really wrong. it never explained the reality of who i was, ever-but it did say a lot about them.
it’s a gross and disgusting thing to be battered, undermined, sabotaged and subjected to abuse of power by those who supposedly love you, while experiencing the unsettling confusion of a complex illness.
i could not have predicted in a million years that something i wasn’t even aware of would have turned out to have been my biggest vulnerability. the diagnoses of MS 2 years ago turned out to be such a relief.
unfortunately, the unpredictability of that illness still remains my biggest vulnerability. i now seem to carry the added fear of being being further exploited and abused if i allow myself to be around others, if they know i have MS.
maybe someday, that fear will diminish, maybe not. but diagnosing the problem correctly, certainly helped validate my experiences, and allowed me to see how disgusting and repulsive the X and his mother truly are.
Dear Stunned,
I am so sorry for your terrible ordeal, having MS is bad enough (and hard enough to diagnose too–I’m a retired medical professional) but to be beaten down because of your symptoms is even worse.
I’m glad you are here though, as this is a healing place and will help you to “get your head on straight” about these monsters, and that, in itself, will lower your stress, and MS is made worse by stress.
I am glad to say that there are some good new treatments out there for MS and hope that you are getting better. I do know that WONDERING what the heck is wrong with you is sometimes worse than actually KNOWING you have something “bad.”
I hope that you are “taking care of YOU” now, and lowering your stress level as well. Getting rid of the monsters and other stress producers in your life will definitely, in my opinion, help your MS and your coping as well. (((hugs)))) and all my prayers for you!
Oxy… I am still here. I am reading the new articles whenever I can. Perhaps I will be back in the future with my MSW in hand.
In the meantime, I am accepting donations for books!
JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just heard from a coworker that she spent close to $1000 on books during her first SEMESTER of the MSW program. Can you imagine?! Do I get a free Cruise with that? How about a trip to Hawaii?
I am in shock!
Oh well, I will get through it.
:o)
alohatraveler:
Buy USED books. Besides saving you cash, if the former owner was a good student, they’ve already done the highlighting for you 🙂
Dear Aloha,
Glad you still find time to check in. I agree with matt, and the internet will help you find them…be sure to check the EDITION # though before bying.
Also, don’t know if you are aware or not, but you can sell plasma in some areas, it is 20$ usually for the first weekly unit and 35$ for the second unit. My son C did that for extra money and it isn’t too bad (pain wise) and you can study for the hour that you are there twice a week. that way you can say for sure you paid for your education with BLOOD! LOL
Excuse me while I shout out to all of you….
THANK-YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE, FOR SHARING YOUR WONDERFUL SELVES.
There are just too many to say a word to each. But believe me, it is every single one of you, who make this place so beautiful. So much love and support. So many sweet boinks! So much wisdom.
Oxy, another superb, insightful, and validating essay. My deepest gratitude for you and your willingness to give so much of yourself here. I have spent many years misdiagnosing the problem. Until I read about personality disorders. Then the light went on, and I was, for a time, blinded (shocked, as I recategorized many relationships based on this new illumination). Coming to this site has had the added effect of helping me come to terms with my new level of ‘seeing’, and not stay in the shock/sadness/hopelessness of finally coming to the truth.
I am grateful.