By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
Years ago I used to think that healing from an emotionally devastating experience, like tangling with a psychopath, was like recovering from a physical illness or injury. If you cut yourself, you put a band-aid on it and a few days later, the cut was “healed” and you didn’t need to work on it any more. Or if you got the flu, once you were over it, it was all done; you didn’t have to worry about it again. Or if you got the measles once, you could not get it ever again, because you were immune.
Now I realize that healing from an encounter with a psychopath is not like a simple cut that heals, never requiring any more care or even notice. It is also not like having the measles and becoming immune to that kind of disease. Having an encounter with one psychopath does not convey immunity to the rest you will encounter in your lifetime. It isn’t something that you “get over and never have to think about it again.” It changes you.
Tangling with a psychopath leaves serious emotional injuries that are not “healed” easily or quickly, never to be thought about again. Serious emotional healing is a continuing process that lasts a lifetime because emotional trauma literally causes the brain’s chemistry and structure to change.
Emotional wounds are different
Psychological and emotional wounds are wounds of a different kind. First, they are not “visible” to others. Also, others may have strong opinions about how long your emotional or mental wound should take to heal. In fact, society in general, and your friends in particular, may tell you that you should “be over that now, it was just a break up” and give you “medical advice” about emotional healing which they are not qualified to give you. Many times the wounds left by a psychopath need to be dealt with by a professional therapist who “gets it” about psychopaths! Just as you wouldn’t try to treat your own broken leg without professional medical help, or continue to limp around on it saying “oh, it will get better if I just give it time” we shouldn’t try to treat our own emotional wounds either. (This is coming from someone who tried to self-treat for way too long, but who finally got the help I needed.)
If you had an unhealed and grossly infected wound on your arm, I doubt that many people would try to give you advice on which antibiotic to take (though there are even a few of those people), but most people would recommend that you go to a physician for treatment. With emotional wounds, though, everyone is an expert and tells you to “just get over it.” I can’t see them saying the same thing about your festering cut on your arm or your broken leg.
Physical cuts do, with proper treatment, heal and scar over, never again requiring any care or work, but emotional “cuts” will always to some extent, require a continual maintenance, if nothing else. In addition, deep emotional wounds leave behind invasive memories.
Memory good and bad
Memory is a good thing in many, many ways, bringing back enjoyable experiences from the past, bringing back warm feelings when we think about loved ones who have passed away or the fun experiences we had when we were children or on a special vacation. Yet, memory can be a two-edged sword, also bringing back the unhappy memories of being abused, the emotional voids of being neglected as a child or the devaluation and discarding done to us by a psychopath. Sometimes these memories become “invasive” and intrude into our “today” and our “now” to the point that we can’t seem to think about anything else.
I don’t mean that we can never overcome the damage done to us or that the memories must always be invasive, but what I am trying to say is that we must continually work on keeping our emotional health healthy, that we must not let these unpleasant past events recur in our memories and minds to bring about emotional pain. We must also overcome the emotionally dysfunctional ways of coping that we learned to use in order to survive the abusive relationships previously in our lives, and learn newer and more functional ways to think and live in the present.
We must develop new tools, one of which is NO CONTACT with people who are dishonest, unkind, abusive, or in any way toxic to our wounded souls and spirits. I have found the “hard way” that some of these people are members of our families, people that we wanted close relationships with and people that we love(d). The truth is, though, that we can not allow anyone, no matter what the blood or other relationship is, to continually emotionally wound us. We must set boundaries. If boundaries don’t suffice to keep these people from acting in toxic ways to us, then we must cut them from our lives with NO CONTACT.
Peeling the onion
I’ve also realized that as I heal one level of dysfunction in my life and in the way I handle things, I find that there is another layer underneath that one that I should “improve” on. Al Anon calls this “peeling the onion.” I had picked up that phrase somewhere not knowing the origin, but a friend who is in Al Anon told me that she thought it came from there. I think it is a very good analogy, as it is to me like peeling an onion’s very thin layers, and when we get one layer peeled off we find—ANOTHER LAYER that needs to be worked on.
So, healing becomes for me a continuing process of self-improvement. I learned to set boundaries ”¦ so there is always practice to perfection on doing that and as I practice, I get better. There are self-esteem issues, and again, as I practice, I get better and feel better about myself. Each layer of the onion I peel and each improvement I make in myself gives me a new awareness of the next thing I need to work on in Joyce.
Acceptance and grief
As I focus on improving Joyce, I also realize that there is nothing I can do to improve the dysfunctional people who abused me ”¦ and I can’t do anything to change the past. So I must also start working on the acceptance of what was. I grieve the losses that go with my emotional injury. I work on coming to acceptance and peace with that loss, the way I have finally been able to accept the loss of my late husband and my late step-father, and the loss of the aspirations I had for my son Patrick, and the dreams I had for the relationship I wanted with my son C.
Some of the losses I have suffered due to the behavior of my psychopathic son, Patrick, weren’t losses of anything that was actually “real” and tactile. They were simply my dreams for my son, who is so bright and talented that he could have done or been anything he wanted to be. He was blessed with the smarts and intelligence to do or be anything! I guess it was selfish on my own part, because I wanted to say, “Oh, yes, my son Patrick, who invented the way to run cars on water, cured global warming, cured diabetes and cancers of all kinds”¦” so I could, in mock humility, be so proud of him! LOL
Of course my continued working on “healing” doesn’t take up my entire life or thoughts any more, but it makes the rest of my life more fulfilling and more fun because I am slowly eliminating the people and the behaviors that make my life difficult or painful. It is amazing just how much time I have now to do things that I enjoy, when I am not dealing with the drama and dysfunction of people who are not healthy, or people who are actively abusive. I have more time for the fun and enjoyable people and experiences, since my time and energy are not taken up by the drama of dealing with dysfunction.
Tired in body and mind
The cost of emotionally unhealthy relationships and unhealthy people is very expensive in terms of time and effort. Just as digging a ditch with a shovel will make your body tired and sore, emotionally “digging a ditch” in an encounter with a drama king or queen, or an abusive person, will also make your mind tired and sore as well. If you dig the ditch physically, when you come in the house and shower and sit down, you are not able to handle mental or emotional tasks; the body is so tired that the mind doesn’t work well either. The reverse is also true: If you are emotionally tired from dealing with dysfunctional situations, your body is also tired. There is no big dichotomy between body and mind. We are one!
We are well aware that emotional stress puts great strain on our bodies as well as our minds. So it is important for us to continually take care of both our emotional and physical health. Just as we wouldn’t go to the gym one time and work out and expect to have “abs of steel,” we would also not expect to read one book about psychopaths and expect that we would instantly be healed emotionally from an encounter with psychopaths.
Applying the knowledge
Knowledge is what we must acquire by study. Wisdom is the ability to use that knowledge to our benefit, which is acquired by reflection.
Learning about psychopaths, learning about ourselves and then applying that knowledge for our emotional and physical well being is a life-long process.
I’ve frequently said that the healing process starts out about “them” (the psychopaths) but ends up being about “us,” changing our thinking and behavior. I still think that is true, and when we start focusing more on us, and less on them, we are well on the way to growing and “healing,” but the road continues onward as long as we live.
While none of us would wish an experience with a psychopath on our worst enemy, and while it has been a painful process for us, it can be the impetus for us to go on to greater and better things.
God bless.
Still Reeling,
I so relate to what you describe regarding personal relationships. My extrovert/introvert personality is similar to yours. The two people I was closest to I have since lost and my “friends” are either old friends from years ago that I had drifted apart from or new acquintances I have, none of which provide the “warm fuzzies” I so miss. It’s a lonely road. Hopefully someone will soon enter our lives who we’ll be able to establish a close connection with. 🙂
Oxy,
My former MIL had surgery on her achille’s tendon and eventually was back to a pre-injury state. It was slow to heal but the end result was realized.
Many positive thoughts and prayers to you for your upcoming surgery and recovery.
I agree with Oxy. We need to be mindful of how we label people in our lives. After an intense education in the University of Hard Knocks, to me a friend now has to earn my trust.
I know a lot of people. That doesn’t mean that I would trust them with my personal and/or confidential information.
There are plenty of aquaintances that I can spend pleasant moments with, like crossing paths at an event, running into them at a store, or seeing them at somebody’s party.
Speaking of which, one of these aquaintances with whom I am friends with on Facebook (a category of friends all unto itself) posted on FB this week that she took some kind of personality test. I was floored that she happily agreed with the evaluation that she has a hard time connecting with people on an emotional level because she is too consumed with focusing on herself and what’s happening with her. In other words, it’s all about her. She laughed and said, “How true.”
She and her husband frequently throw parties. Because one of their sons is very good friends with my son, we get invited to these. I’ve been feeling like a fifth wheel somewhat because I just don’t connect with her emotionally, but after reading what she so readily agreed to on FB, I understood why. It’s her, not me.
BTW, I’ve noted that her husband posts on FB all the time. He is open about sharing his feelings and gets a lot of people engaged in interesting discussions on what he posts.
Still Reeling, your issue is with Jane, not Sher. You’ve already recognized that Sher is not to be trusted.
It seems to me that you’re not recognizing that Jane is not respecting your boundaries.
And it isn’t a simple, brush-off excuse like her saying, “Oh, I didn’t know you wanted to me to keep that confidential.”
That was your personal, financial information. Most people know that is confidential since it is personal and it is financial. What business is it of hers?
I’m uncertain why you would share a financial figure like that with anyone, but obviously, the finances of others is not the boundary that Jane has any intention of respecting.
And the fact that she immediately conveyed that information to somebody else right in front of you with your full knowledge is a slap in the face, f-you if I’ve ever heard one.
IMHO, Jane sounds emotionally abusive to me. Putting the focus on you, what are you getting from this person that you consider her to be a friend?
Likewise, Sisterhood, a friend who gives with the expectation of something in return is not “a very giving person.” She is a manipulative person.
Kim, thank you for the link about gaslighting. It did a great job describing what goes on, which ties into the discussion here and with stalking.
Neither stalking nor gaslighting are singular actions/events.
There is the old story about the five blind men who examine an elephant. One feels the trunk, another the elephant’s side, one the foot, one a tusk, and the last one the tail. Each man’s perception of the elephant is correct, but the whole package must be taken into consideration.
We all need to look at the whole picture, just like somebody who “gives” on the condition of something being received in return is not a “giving person,” or somebody who violates socially reasonable boundaries (as opposed to boundaries that might be unique to one individual) is not somebody who has our best interests in mind.
In keeping with Oxy’s theme in this piece, I have enough damage going on in my life from things over which I have no control. What I do not want to do is compound or exacerbate that damage by contributing to it by not seeing the whole elephant.
still reeling
Doing fine thanks for asking.
Yes no one wants to hear it’s not them. I thought the guy that first said it to me was nuts.
“I was so young…” We all knew it all. Getting old, no way. And the world was going to just open up and give us everything.
Sorry the job hunt is not going well. Here’s a movie you might like,”Entry Level” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0902279/
Toxic friends. Have to go with Truthspeak. If they take and never give back positive stuff then their toxic.True friends are the one that show up when your moving.
With boundaries there are different levels all the way to the inter circle. Inter circle few make it this far. Reserved for those who you would trust with your life.
Next week is a new week. So make it your week enjoy and may the right job jump up and bite you..
OxD
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Hope it goes well
OxD
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Sisterhood, and others who are ha ving problems deciding if people are “positive’ in your life or not…I look at it this way. If I have to “walk on egg shells” around a person they are NOT FOR ME. Period.
My “best friend” for 30+ years and I parted ways a little over a year ago. I realized that she is manipulative…I also realize that she has her own cross to bear with a husband that is abusive and I didn’t realize it until I spent more time around him after he retired.
I had “called BS” on her about some of her “outbursts” of hateful things which she did from time to time, INSULTS really, but I had always been hurt, but “brushed them off” until a year ago January when she pulled that shaiat again, and then said “well that’s what best friends are for, you fight and then make up” and my reply was “BEST FRIENDS DON’T TREAT EACH OTHER THAT WAY.” I have not heart one word from her since. I realized that I NEVER TREATED HER THAT WAY, and why on earth should I expect that every so often she would “go off on me” verbally and INSULT ME, sometimes in public? I realized I don’t want to be around anyone that treats me that way, no matter what rocks they have in their shoes. I have had some BIG ROCKS in my shoes but I have NEVER EVER TREATED ANYONE THAT WAY.
So I decided that her “friendship” (and we had been through a lot in those 30 years together) wasn’t worth the insults or the plain she thought was somehow her “right” to do. If I ever deliberately insulted someone that way I would be on my KNEES to them if I cared about them.
People who are acquaintences and mutual-interest “friendly” people are important in our lives but also really honest to goodness deep FRIENDS are important too. It is normal when you have babies to have friends who live near you and also have babies and you share that intrests in your babies…but then drift apart as circumstances change and you may keep in touch and you may not but you aren’t every day friends any more. That is normal.
I don’t have a lot of “close friends” and that is okay with me, but I do have folks that I call my “running buddies” that I go places with and do things that are of “mutual interest” but I may not discuss my deepest fears or problems with them. That’s okay. I have those others though that know what is going on in my life and I can talk to them honestly and openly, and share the good as well as the really bad with. But I no longer tolerate people violating my boundaries and I’m pretty clear about what those boundaries are. If I would not treat them that way, then I do not tolerate them treating me that way. If I talk to them about it and they listen and quit it, fine, if not, then bye bye!
That’s about all the advice I have to you about who to put up with and who not to, if that makes any sense. People who are cranky and hateful I do not need.
OxD, you are SO spot-on!!
I believe that my entire view of my Self, my relationships, and my formerly inexplicable tolerance of others’ bad behaviors (along with my own) was forever altered once I learned about my “shame-core.”
Where once I would simply “accept” intrusive and inappropriate behaviors because I was so NEEDY, today, I shut down anybody that makes even minorattempts to minimize me or drain my energies.
And, I am getting to the point where I do not cause myself to feel GUILTY for shutting out those people. This is about me and my recovery and NOT about gaining approval or acceptance from others.
Thanks, OxD, for your words of strength!
G1S, Thanks for the post and hope you are doing ok.
Love the story about your fb aquaintance who actually acknowledges her self-involvement, and with humor to boot. I applaud her for that and agree with you that it’s a relief to understand the *why* behind folks’ behavior that make us feel uncomfortable, left out, invisible, et al. You may not want to be around her much but knowing that, as you say, it’s “her,” not you, certainly helps greatly. Some people just don’t care or even notice others’ offputting or cold vibes but I think most of us on this forum are sensitive to this, both prior to and certainly after our path experiences.
Your story about the blind men and the elephant…..I see what you’re saying about taking the analyzing behaviors a bit to see what’s really going on, basically inside you in response to someone’s behavior.
In addition, it reminds me that I always need to look at the big picture in any situation where I feel negatively about someone else. As the blind men illustrate, the elephant is not just his leg or his tail. He/she is the sum total of all parts. It has taken me years to move just an inch away from my mothers’ snap harsh judgements of people. In an instant, these one-time good friends were out of her life and she was done with them. I don’t wish to be like that but it’s so ingrained in me, I feel that way most of the time. It’s hard work to stop and look at all the parts of the elephant, but I think it’s essential in decided whether or not someone is out of your life.
This is why I get hung up on the Sher’s, Jane’s and, of course, Godzilla. I don’t mean to say anyone here or anywhere should waver in their decision to cut off a toxic friendship at any point. We all have to do what is personally best for our health. It’s just that some of us struggle with trying not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
For example, I know that Jane and rest of the group are pushy broads (sorry, but it fits). They act as they do in restaurants because it gives them a sense of power and control. Also, it’s a good way to blow off anger. Each one of them has serious issues in their lives that keep them with cats instead of men. Nothing wrong with that but they all *want* a partner. I know these things about them and I don’t want to be alone so I do go out with them on occasion. And I have felt lucky to have them in my life altho we are so different.
With Sher, she has already proven to be a manipulative, sweet when it suits her, sourpuss when she feels like it, money-grubbing bee-yatch. Jane is in awe of her, why, I do not know. She gave Sher the personal info about me while I sat on the phone because honestly, she couldn’t help it. She so wanted to be in Sher’s good graces, she dumped sh*t right on my head. When I called her on the carpet for it (in email) she let me know that she didn’t think I’d be angry and that she was trying to help a “friend!” We had discussed the price of retirement ins at dinner the last time we met and she felt it was OK to share that with Sher.
Jane is very innocent and tries to help everyone. She once bought me a beautiful umbrella just because I’d admired it somewhere. She is a bizarre person but I like weirdos.
I have prided myself on staying friends with these folks over time and not just saying, “What a bunch of outcasts.” Honestly they seem close to each other, but I am definitely the “fifth wheel” always. Do I now push another one of them away knowing what I know..Quite honestly, I think *she* is done with *me*. She is very very sensitive and even tho I did request that we chalk this up to misunderstanding and wipe the slate clean, and she agreed, I’m pretty sure she’s had it with me.
Sisterhood, you reflect exactly the way I feel about iffy friendships and I know you’re confused about your friend. I applaud your looking at the big picture and putting all the parts of the elephant together to decide if you want this relationship or not.
The input you receive here on the forum, from other friends, even therapists can be outstanding (I know it is here esp since we all share many common traits and experiences-we understand each other in many ways) but only *you* know the real deal, the big pic, the entire pachy. We can’t possibly, even if we wanted to, describe a relationship in its entirety. It’s too long, too much and some of it may look differently to you than to me or any of the bloggers here. I applaud you for your confusion! Better than making snap judgements.
I would only caution folks to take all the good advice here about drawing that line and establishing that boundary and being sure it fits for you.
New Beginning, thanks for the post! It is very warm fuzzy and I feel so much less alone when I read that others are in my boat. Esp when “big picture” tells me how kind and thoughtful you seem to be. Thx for the encouragement and good wishes…right back at ya.
Spoon, hey! Thanks for the movie sugg. I’ll put it on Netflix.
You said per Truth, “If they take and never give back positive stuff then their toxic.” True. But I think there is so much more to be considered regarding who makes a good friend and who doesn’t and it’s all subjective and all about the big picture, for me anyway. I work so hard on not making snap judgements like my mom did. Sometimes I do well and other times I don’t – anger gets me like it does her, so I am one who needs to consider all aspects.
Hey, I promised myself I would never give my daughter the silent treatment and I did it *anyway!* Even tho I know how it absolutely killed me inside when my mom, my idol, my lifeblood did it. I also did it regularly to my hub. He treated me so much more kindly and thoughtfully which was bad.
Now I no longer do that…yeah, I have been depressed so I’m not as talkative and involved as I once was. But I don’t cut my family off anymore. I also thoroughly explained the silent stuff to my daughter and hub and can only hope it didn’t affect my daughter. mmm mmm mmm.
I’ve gone on long enuf…….trying to work on that.
Enjoy the day.
Still reeling, do you really believe this? “She gave Sher the personal info about me while I sat on the phone because honestly, she couldn’t help it.”
People can help what they say. There is no demonic force in possession of them compeling to utter these words.
I agree with Oxy, about best friends don’t treat each other that way, although I’ll modify her statement into my own words:
“People who genuinely care about us do not hurt us.” They have it under control. They respect boundaries. They ask for permission. They think before they act.
Your answer included so much other stuff that is going on with these people. It’s important to recognize and pay attention to it all.
Getting back to the elephant, it seems to me that you’re pointing to the tail and insisting that’s all there is to this situation. If I had to point to one part of the elephant’s anatom,y based on what you said, I’d be very concerned about being crushed under one of the elephant’s feet.
G1S-Please don’t think I don’t hear you….
Let’s go straight to the “tail.”
That’s the way I used to look at things. I was always a victim. I blamed others for my plight almost all of the time.
Over the years, with the help of books, therapists and hard, hard introspection and work, I have seen the light. I am FAR from perfect but I don’t see myself as a victim nearly as often. (There ARE times such as being set up by the Hewlett Packard Co to be laid off when others who did zip still have jobs. See, not perfect yet.)
I also had tunnel vision and could NOT let go of anger or blame. Where others moved on, I stayed mired in mud.
So that is *my* big picture, so now if I err, I try to err on the opposite side of victimhood. Being an all or nothing type (something else I work on), makes balance difficult but hey, we all have our challenges getting along in life. And I make a lot of mistakes, and am confused a lot of the time. Confounded actually.
As a result of all this, yes, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. (Path was one). I do believe Jane is overwhelmed with some type of idol worship or under the spell of Sher and did *have* to help her even while f’ing me over. She saw it as “us” helping Sher. These ladies have been friends with each other for decades, while I only came into the picture say, 6-7 yrs ago and don’t see them on a regular basis or travel with them, etc., as they do with each other. I don’t care about any of that. I do enjoy the occasional play, movie, dinner. One of them is actually pretty pleasant and we’re kind of close but she is hardly ever available.
You are correct, Jane over-stepped and it was wrong. She also took me out for dinner when I lost my last job. I’m trying to factor all of Jane into the this rather than just the negative. Like I said, the friendship is prob over anyway.
Does this make sense? It’s more to my own big picture and does define how I look at things. Just as a diabetic has to avoid certain foods, I have to avoid victimhood at all costs. It feels way too comfortable. I try to play things down and not place blame or jump to conclusions, all things I lived by for years. My mom was a great, great teacher as I’ve said before.
You said, “Your answer included so much other stuff that is going on with these people. It’s important to recognize and pay attention to it all.” That is exactly what I’m trying to do.
Take care and thx so much for your perspective.
Great article Oxy…..it raised good questions. Keep up the good work.
I would like to say to Sisterhood, that I understand that you are struggling to find out if your friend is indeed your friend, or a closet narcissist. You are not alone here, and there are reasons for the confussion regarding women and narcissism.
Many articles about narcissism points at it being a “male” personality disorder, but actually that is not true. The most up-to-date research shows that there is a marked shift in the numbers of women presenting with narcissistic behaviors, however, there appears to be noted gender differences in the acting out of the behaviours due to the pressures of social constraints (namely, gender stereotyping). Gender stereotyping conforms to the picture that all women are sweet, caring, kind, nurturing good-mother’s etc, unfortunately they are not, at least not when they are displaying narcissistic personality traits. The truth is that both male and female are equally narcissistically aggressive, and neither have to suffer from a full blown narcissistic personality disorder in order to do huge damage to people they are in contact with.
Here is a link to an article on the subject, the title is:
“Can Narcissism Effect Women?”
http://narcissisticbehavior.net/category/can-narcissism-effect-women