Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Dear heartoheart: Just tell your nosy co-workers that you saw a very greedy flaw in your man and knew you had to end the relationship because you didn’t want to be involved with someone with this major flaw.
That should get their minds working! Oh, my, oh my, she figured out about GREED.
Peace.
HEARTOHEART and others: WOW! So amazing!!! I like to keep my things neat and orderly. I don’t have luxury items in my house that I spent a fortune on–I don’t have that kind of money! But, everything has always been tidy! My ex accused me of being materialistic all the time! His EXACT words. Hell, I’ve have the furniture and decor for years because I didn’t want to have to spend money replacing it–I just tried to take care of it and make it last. Although he sure did develop a taste for things he’d never been able to buy for himself when he was with me! He wanted the best and silly me! I felt sorry for him because he’d “never known that kind of lifestyle” due to “missed opportunities”–quoting him there–and ran right out and got him everything he wanted! When he was leaving me, he left my grown son (his stepson) a note saying that he just never felt like he fit in with us–that we were so much more intelligent than he was and used to the finer things in life. Said that money and comfort didn’t mean anything to him! I guess that’s why he talked his new girlfriend into buying him a double wide mobile home–financed in her name only because he has NO credit and a new jeep for him to drive! He led her to believe that he owned the land that she had the house set up on! It’s his MOTHER’S land! She also took him shopping and bought him all the youthful Hollister, etc. brands! The man is 40 years old going on 16! He bragged to his friends about how much money she was spending on him–just like he did when he and I first got together and before I told him that he was going to have to hold down a steady job to help me pay for the things that he wanted! You know, it’s just NOT normal for a grown man to brag to other men how much money a woman is spending on him! I’m very much a liberated woman but still yet, most men would be ashamed. They’d rather brag about what they are buying their ladies!
Thanks Kat and Wini!
I think I’ll combine the two and say that he is a LYING, CHEATING, MANIPULATIVE AND GREEDY ASS!
I think they’ll be so shocked to hear this because Monday thru Friday they saw my ex-P pick me up from work, sometimes waiting for me in the waiting room or outside the building I worked at. He even catered our company Christmas party last year and they wanted him to cater this year and the year after that. Everyone who saw us together thought we were so happy, which I have to admit “I” was, until I found out he was a CON ARTIST. Things went from WONDERFUL to BAD to WORSE then to GOOD and then to GREAT..and ultimately to DEVASTATING!
It’s crazy because in the beginning, the “honeymoon” stage was wonderful. Then it got hairy months after that because he was working so much and catering “private parties”. Now I question the so-called “private parties”. I tried to break up with many times when he was working so much. He was a workaholic! He worked at a restaurant 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week. I used to pick him up almost every night. Then the restaurant eventually closed and he started working at a smaller restaurant that was only open during lunchtime. That’s when we started spending a lot more time together and he was picking ME up from work. Little did I know that the 2 hours we were apart (he got off of work at 3 p.m. and I got off at 5 p.m.) was the time he was conning a lot of other people. I had NO idea this was happenng!! If I hadn’t run into one of the victims, I would NOT have known. Thank you Lord for watching over me….yet AGAIN! That’s when all the lies started to unravel from one victim to another to another to another.
I have another question. My ex-P still has some things at the apartment. The last time I spoke to him, he told me not to throw his stuff away and to give it to my neighbor. Well after I told my neighbor about the ex-P, he doesn’t want to keep it for him. It’s not like he really cares nor needs that stuff in the apartment. He just ran away with probably over $150K of victims’ hard earned money. What do you think I should do with his stuff? Please advise. Thank you.
Dear HeartoHeart,
I agree, just something quick and to the point, NO DETAILS, “I got tired of his lies, and kicked him to the curb” and if they want more details say “I”d really rather not discuss that, how about those Cubbies?” LOL
If they really INSIST on details give them the ‘Ann Landers” brush off, “Now why on earth would you ask a question like THAT?” Turns it right back on to them.
You don’t OWE these people any more information than you WANT to give them. Don’t feel pushed into a corner. It is your life, and your emotions, and chances are they wouldn’t understand anyway. LESS SAID, LESS MENDED.
BTW, when you go back to work, be good to yourself and take time to do good things for yourself for quite some time. Let non-essential things coast for a while and just spend some time with yourself. (((Hugs))))
Hi everyone,
Your stories are so inspiring to me. Makes me feel I am not alone in the things I’ve gone through with my family. I have pretty much had to raise myself (and I think I’ve done a pretty good job) growing up with a narcissistic mother and a sociopath for a stepfather, and little contact with the biological father. I have lost both my father figures, and I have to admit that I cried more over the loss of my first snake that I’d only had for 5 weeks than either of them. I do not feel guilty that I don’t travel to my aging mother’s house to tend to her self-imposed illnesses. I feel I am making up for lost time caring for myself. I do not feel we owe anything to abusive parents. During times when I’ve been close to my mother over the years, I really felt happy. But then when she would be emotionally hurtful, I’d be on a rollercoaster ride. I’d rather cut my losses and feel a pang of longing for what I wish I could have with her then to be on the rollercoaster of elation/depression. Doesn’t it say in the Bible “if your right arm offends thee, cut it off”? I also had to distance myself from my sister after reaching out to her numerous times throughout our lives and her doing nothing except push me away, judge me, and criticize me. She seems unwilling to have a relationship with me. It’s her loss. In spite of these losses, I’m a reasonably happy person who’s been through hell and beginning to come out the other side.
StarG
Dear OxDrover,
Thank you again for all of your advice! You’re right! I don’t owe anything to anyone. I owe it to myself to take care of ME.
So, what do you think I should do with his stuff?
WEll, it is apparently yours now, so if it was worth anyhting and it was mine, I would sell it, if it is worth donating to Good Will or some outfit like that, then I would do that, if it isn’t worth donating, I’d trash it or give it to the homeless shelter.
heartoheart:
I’v’e read your last few posts and you and I must have been dealing with the same guy! LOL! My ex also tried to get me to take his things to the neighbor’s house who didn’t want any part of getting caught in the middle of our divorce. Also totally ridiculous because after giving him every opportunity in the world to collect them, I ended up hauling 12 full size pick-up truck loads to the dump! You can take OxDrover’s advice about his belongings…nothing wrong with that. However, if you don’t want to give him any ammo against you–you can call him and tell him that you refuse to involve the neighbors in your business and that on such and such day and time, his belongings will be boxed and on the curbside. Then, if he doesn’t come collect them–do whatever the heck you want with them. At least, you can say you gave him a fair opportunity to collect his belongings that he didn’t take. Stay in control of the situation. My ex even tried to get me to load all his belongings and drive them an hour across a state line to deliver them to him. His junk was scattered from one end of the house to the other and in two outbuildings! My biggest point about this is that he lost everything he had simply because he refused to come and collect it! I think maybe he told the new girlfriend that I was dangerous and that I might hurt him if he came to collect his things so that she would buy him anything he said that I’d “KEPT”. He did lead me to believe that two of he was afraid of two of his exes before me! Poor man! It’s such a shame that EVERYONE wanted to hurt him! LOL! I don’t have a violent bone in my body!
ox: my ex s/p came to my house yesterday (after four weeks and four days of NC) … no phone call. just rang the bell. luckily, i looked out, saw his car double-parked (guess he didn’t need much time), and didn’t answer his persistent ringing. he walked away, looked up at my windows for a minute, then got in his car and left. i’m pretty sure he just wanted his $300 dress shoes (most of his stuff i threw out).
does he REALLY think he can just come over after five weeks? what was he going to say, “I NEED …. I WANT …. GIVE ME …” IS HE KIDDING? where does one find balls that ginormous?
oh, one other thing. he looked like crap. i had almost NO emotional reaction to him except, ‘ewwwwww…. i don’t want him in my life.”
but then, a few hours later, i wanted to hear what he had to say.
now … a new day. i’m sad, confused, but i still hate him.
~grace
Lostingrief,
Way to go, good for you! You didn’t answer the door! Keep up with the NC!
If my ex S calls me his number comes up Blocked or Restricted. I never answer those calls and put them into voicemail. They can leave a message. As contradictory as it sounds I sometimes want him to call me–to feel wanted, if guess? Does that sound absurd?
“where does one find balls that ginormous?” you ask?–My ex S. He has them too.
-Ginger
For everyone–((((((((((((((Group HUG))))))))))))))))