Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Dear LIG,
Good for you TOWANDA!!!!! Hang in there GF!!! Keep on hating him, keep on being mad, whatever it takes to keep you from opening the door. You made the best choice in not opening the door. The HEALTHY CHOICE. I hope he sees some homeless guy wearing his shoes! LOL Make up a fantasy picture in your head about when he sees the homeless guy in his $300 shoes and realizes they are GONE! Laugh LAUGH at the fantasy! When he realizes the guy has his shoes they start to fight, with him trying to take the shoes off the confused homeless guy, saying “they’re mine! they’re mine! Give me my shoes! You scuffed’em!!!” the LAUGH AND LAUGH!
Look at him as the pitiful stuipd, meanspirited piece of crap he is….keep that fantasy picture in your head. You were fooled into loving him, but NOW YOU SEE HIM FOR WHAT HE IS A PIECE OF CHIT. Dirt beneath your feet. You are a queen and he is the stable boy, covered in muck. Only instead of the muck being on the outside he is FILLED WITH IT. HE IS CHIT! YOU DESERVE BETTER!!!! (((HUGS))))
Hi Tami,
I guess, in a way, we were dealing with the SAME guy.
I can’t believe he really wanted me to give his stuff to one the neighbors. I guess he had thought that he and this neighbor had formed some kind of bond. After I told some of the neighbors what he had done, they didn’t want anything to do with him, especially that ONE neighbor.
I remember my ex-P even told me that “the neighbor” had overheard us fighting one day and told him that he should leave me. I remember thinking, “why would he say that”. Oooh….when I told the neighbor this, he was pissed! The neighbor proclaimed that he didn’t say anything of the sort. Well by that time… I knew THAT! My neighbor was so offended that the ex-P would say such a thing. And he was so disappointed that my ex-P was like that because he said that he really LIKED him as a person. Really?! Well, I replied back, “I really LOVED him as a person”, until I found out he was lying, cheating and stealing from me and four other people. Boy, did I have to educate him on Ps! I wonder if he REALLY understood. I doubt it.
Henry: I don’t think you’re a nut. I think you’re a real person, in touch with his emotions.
Keep up the good work of loving our fellow humans out there. That’s what we are suppose to do. Did I tell you to check out the following site?
It’s a religious site that the leaders of the churches know about anti-socials … except they call them “trouble makers”. Just another nice word, cause we are suppose to use nice words about everyone … because, everyone has God in them …. I’m getting there … still have my feet planted on earth … will have to work on the spiritual graces…
To understand the difference between us (givers) and them (takers) read this site:
http://www.abusefacts.com/articles/Givers-Takers.php
Then before we were even born God said:
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves”.
Hey Henry. Talk with any of the pscyhos that did me under … they’ll tell you a zillion lies about me. I don’t care. I’m not paying them any mind … always destroying me (and others) … why? Cause they know they sold out … sold their souls to the devil and they want all of us to be as miserable as them. That’s why they do what they do to everyone who’s loving and believes in God. Do you think if you were a jerk, this would happen to you? NOT!
Just another ditty to ponder.
Peace Henry, it’s always a pleasure to swap words with you. Hang in there … it gets better. We all have to remember not to focus and pay to much attention to the illusion of life … down here … it’s what and where our souls go after ward that we should concern ourselves with … This stuff down here … in the long run … is a cake walk.
Peace. I know, I know I’m going into warped speed right now … beam me up Scotty!
Dear Stargazer and the rest of you LF bloggers that had parents like this to deal with from the onset of your arrival here on Earth. I thought it bad enough that I dealt with the anti-socials of the world and all their nonsense … but, when it’s your own parents … I pray for all of you to have had to endure your childhoods with them and YOU’RE STILL STANDING. I’m so grateful that your beautiful souls are still in tack with all that abuse. A little shaky, but still standing. I am in awe, awe, awe of all of you. I don’t know what I would have done if my life had my parents like that. It was bad enough that my sister (a year older) played her pyscho games on me … I cried and cried and cried because of her. I love her and I try not to HATE her … cause I know she has to grow her spirit … as does our EXs and all the anti-socials in the world … They are in God’s hands …
As for us … this is a test …. to see how much we take and still believe and praise God.
Hey, not my rules … not my game … but it is ingenious, if you can see it that way. Pretty clever of our creator to give us these test to see what we’re made of … so we can grow and spread our wings (spiritually that is).
I haven’t read or figured out what the anti-socials are suppose to do … I guess like life, only God knows the entire story.
Peace and harmony everyone.
Dear Heartoheart,
It is very validating when someone verifies that the things that your X said are LIES. We don’t always get that from our friends, family or neighbors. Many times they just don’t get it.
It is so difficult for people to NOT BELIEVE the superfiscial MASK that they wear of “nice guy” (or gal). It is almost like a “magic spell” that they cast, like a magician distracting the audience from the “real trick” while they are pulling it.
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There comes a time though, when you won’t NEED the validation from others (although it IS NICE TO GET IT) AND YOU CAN VALIDATE YOURSELF.
I remember how painful it was when I would NOT get validation, instead be looked at like I WAS THE CRAZY ONE to be telling such tall, unbelieveable tales. It sounded like I was telling a SOAP OPERA PLOT. I don’t hold any grudges toward those people who didn’t believe me, heck I HAD TROUBLE BELIEVING ME! LOL
But you know, they will “tell a lie when the truth would fit better” and they really DON’T get it that their lies are sometimes so EASILY seen through. Like that “Clark Rockefeller” guy who kidnapped his daughter from her mother, his lies were SO transparent on the interview that a 5 yr old could have come up with more believeable lies.
And, it makes you want to say “How stupid could his wife have been to have believed this jerk?” But you know, they CAN pull the wool over some pretty smart people for a LONG time. I’m “pretty smart”and I FELL FOR THE LIES, repeatedly. So, lots of times people (neighbors, friends, family) who don’t get it can’t even imagine that THEY could be taken, but I promise you THEY CAN BE–ANYONE can be. Maybe not every time by every psychopath, but there’s one out there than can get even the smartest person.
I’m glad that your neighbor at least got it part way, and that he was able to validate you. Hang in there, the road may seem long and dark, but walk toward the light and you’ll get there. Focus on the future, and focus on YOU and thank God that the P is out of your life and that you know the TRUTH about him. ((hugs)))
Heartoheart and others:
My neighbor experience wasn’t quite as gratifying. He and ex P were co-workers and pot smoking buddies. My ex P smoked pot like most people smoke cigarettes! My neighbor was pretty much my ex’s partner in crime. My ex insisted that I communicate the divorce details or anything else he should know either through the neighbor or the woman’s myspace page that he left me for! Several months after the divorce was finalized and my neighbor had a disagreement with my ex and quit working with him, the neighbor told me of all the women my ex had had sex with on work time–leaving him there alone doing the work while he was out with various women. By this time, several other mutual acquaintances had came to me to tell me to dry up my tears because my ex was NOT the person that I thought he was. They all had stories to tell and one who had known him for over 20 years even referred to him as a predator. Telling me that my ex had always had a problem and that he once asked my ex how in the world he managed to get all these women who not only knew that he was married but also knew me, to sleep with him. He said my ex said it was simple. He explained to him that he’d stare a woman straight in the eyes until she looked away. He said if she looked back, then she was “game” and that if she didn’t, he’d move on to the next one! The friend said that he described it as though he was explaining how to fix a leaky faucet and that it gave him the creeps.
After I had heard enough stories from various sources, I wrote the new girlfriend and told her what I had learned. My ex admitted that he did these things but ONLY to me. That was so very NOT true. She said that he said that he was sorry and that I was a good person and didn’t deserve it. She said that she really did believe that he was sorry. I told her when he himself apologized to me that I might believe it. She said that he REALLY loves her and is changing for her. Silly, silly girl!
On the Rockefeller guy, yeah, people do probably wonder how stupid could his wife be. But the thing is, that all those people are watching him and listening to his lies AFTER having information/ facts she didn’t have from the get go.
If they didn’t have all this knowledge of his history, and he was dressed up all nice in a suit and talking about cultural things and hiding behind the Rockefeller name, what would be there to make them suspect a thing. Apparently, he fooled quite alot of people, including lots of the rich and socially sophisticated. It’s always easier to spot the lies etc. once you know their history and have information that the lies ARE lies. And lets face it, nobody looks too sophisticated and appealing in those orange prison uniforms. lol
Dear Tami,
Well, at least you got the truth–and you also learned something about these “neighbors” and your X’s friends—you learned that they will at least stand by while the guy does things that they KNOW ARE NOT NICE/GOOD/MORAL/RIGHT and do nothing about it. If they had known all these things were being done to you, and they cared about YOU, they would not have stood by while you were used.
Of course he lied his way out of it with the GF, but whe will learn she is NOT special and he is NOT CHANGING. Silly girl.
Jen, yes, you are so right about the jump suits and the 3 days growth of beard! And we have a great deal of information she didn’t have before the divorce. I imagine she has a LOT OF INFORMATION that we don’t have either! At least OUR break ups didn’t happen on national stage and we didn’t have a child kidnapped out of “supervised” visitation.
I imagine if he got ONLY supervised visitation there was a GOOD reason that was the case, and that hasn’t come out as far as I know yet. I can’t imagine him getting ONLY supervised visitation unless he had been suspected of molesting the little girl or some other SERIOUS thing. Of course we don’t know what that “something” was, but it may come out in the end. I hope that he spends the rest of his life in prison. They could put him away for a LONG time on the kidnapping charge alone and maybe he will make enough of an ass out of himself that will be the case. Let us pray that happens for the little girl’s sake.
It’s us that people think are crazy. I don’t think other people will ever get it unless they themselves suffer the wrath of a sociopath. I certainly wouldn’t have! And, it wouldn’t have mattered if the friends had of told me what was going on. You know the drill…he would have had the perfect lie and I would have believed him. We can’t win when it comes to these people. They’re too good at what they do.
Dear Tami,
I had to laugh when I read about your ex-P’s “pot smoking” buddy”. That neighbor that my ex-P told me to leave his belongings with also smoked pot…a lot of it!
One of my ex-P’s “friends”, whom he conned, too, also smoked pot. He told me that my ex-P told him about our pot smoking neighbor and that he could get him some pot if he wanted him to. Of course, he said “sure”. My ex-P told his “friend” that I smoked pot with our neighbor all the time and that if he wasn’t able to get some pot from the neighbor that he would get it from “my stash”. LOL! I don’t even smoke pot or engage in any other recreational drug for that matter. My neighbor was shocked to hear this BS story that my ex-P conjured up.
My ex-P LIED, CHEATED and MANIPULATED everyone he has and will come into contact with. I feel really bad for the present and future victims who are involved or will be involved with this MASTERMIND OF DECEIT.
I almost want to get in touch with the girlfriend he had before me, whom he has a daughter with. I don’t think she has any idea that he is a P and I want to reach out to her so that she and her daughter are safe. I would hate to see her and her child suffer because of him. I remember she called me one night apologizing for any trouble she had caused me and that she realized that HE truly loved ME and not HER. Little did she know that HE didn’t really, truly LOVE ANYONE!!
If I do reach out to her and she doesn’t heed my warning and continues to allow him to be a part of their lives, I would not think she was a SILLY GIRL. I would really feel bad for her and her child. We all know how hard it was for us to believe that the men/women who claimed that we were the “only ones”, the”love of their lives”, their “soulmate and best friend”, were all FRAUDS! My ex-P is European and I remember he used to say, “NEVER I FIND ONE WOMAN LIKE YOU”. The truth of the matter is….HE WILL AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!
We were NOT the “SILLY ONES” but the ones who wanted to believe that all the LOVE we were giving was being reciprocated. I believe, in time, that there will be someone who will be worthy of my love.
PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE! GOD BLESS.