Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Mine rushed things as well.. both of em.. all three actually.. grrrr.
They want the excitement they get from accelerating the relationship.. when we start to put on the brakes or reality gets a little boring.. off they go behind our backs to find some new excitement.
As for going through with it.. my ex bf proposed to three different women in as many months.. but ended up not marrying any of them.. what an ass.
Ginger & Kat: Mine started talking marriage after 4 months of dating…as soon as he got his annulment from the wife he was separated from. He married that one 3 month after they were dating and separated 6 months after that. He also talked about having a baby right away. Well, marrying me was a con to get what he wanted from me. He was all the while talking to the wife on the phone about getting back together. 2 whole years of me waiting for him to put the annulment through and thousands of dollars later…only to find out he had another woman and a secret life with that one right in the same town. Well, the baby thing didn’t work out because I refused to get pregnant until we were married. How much you want to bet he’ll marry one he is with now and get her pregnant right away? Before he moved in my home, he wanted his name on the deed to mine..dumb ass me did it. Well I did a background check on the current lady online. She is a carbon copy of me…owns her own place, a little younger. See what he did?? When my money ran out, he went to her house. It was going on the entire time behind my back. I don’t think he was going to leave …I tested him. I said to myself, I wonder what he would do if I turned the money faucet off…and I did….and he split. He’s been with the OW 100% moved in since May. The S has touched base with the wife..he’s still not divorced from that one. The wife tells me the S had to confess about still living with me while being with her…and she forvage him. He told her he’s made a lot of mistakes in his life and she understands and loves him and wants to work things out. She’s a dumb ass. Read the writing on the wall. He’s still married to A, lived with B (that’s me) while also living with C. got B to put his name on the deed to her home and now C has no problem with any of this. C will soon be pregnant while the S is STILL married to someone else and C is probably taking much verbal abuse, control and manipulation, and devaluation while the S looks for D.
My ex-S will not stay with C…even if she does have a baby. He’s got 7 kids out there and hasn’t been a father to any of them. Left them all but the last 2. The 12 yr old son is also living with C now.
Doesn’t look good for C now does it? I can’t be jealous. For the 2 years the S was with me, he quit 2 jobs and I had 3 mouths to feed on my salary. Hope C has a bankload.
Boy do they rush things? Perhaps they rush things because they don’t know how long the excitment will last?
I pray that he and his new wife do not have any kids. First of all, he has a hard time right now supporting the 2 he has with me. Secondly, he is not a good father. I am not sure how much time he spends with the kids when he has them; he has alot of distractions. His mother even commented on how upset she would be if he was there for a new child, while he couldn’t even be there for the kids that he has. I told her that he will not change. She cannot comprehend the entire picture.
Does anyone know alot of info about PTSD? I looked up info online and didn’t find much and the book selection at the library is pretty skimpy. I feel that at my counseling sessions I talk about S, but do not figure out how to remedy PTSD for myself.
Take care,
-Ginger
Wini: You wrote “When we met he was very attentive, caring and I thought wanted to be with me. I was starving for affection and I was lonely. I was the perfect victim. He gave me what I needed, at first. Red flags came up and I just thought life was just hard and we would get through it. Now, I don’t believe that it should be that hard, especially when the difficulty was not from me”“the difficult situations/problems always came from him.” I can relate to almost everything you wrote. When I met my ex, I had just stopped dating 3 months prior and I wasn’t looking for any relationship. He was very suave and relentlessly persistent. It turned me off in the beginning because I wasn’t used to guys being so persistent, but I thought that he was being this way because he was really liked in me.
I remember on our first date he wanted to come over and spend the night. I told him that he should go home. I think maybe it was the thrill of the chase for him. Then when he got me “under his spell”, I was caught “hook, line and sinker.” Then after that it was full speed ahead. He proposed to me after 2 weeks. We had a whirlwind romance that ended in devastation and now I’m left trying to pick up the pieces.
BIG SIGH!
Hi everyone.
I have not been around for a while due to just being very busy. But I wanted to give you an update. My ex S’s platoon sergeant in the army contacted me today and asked me to send her pictures, voice mails, and emails to document the inappropriate relationship. She let me know that he now knows I turned him in and she filed a “no contact” thingie against him contacting me. She asked me a bunch of questions about his medical symptoms. It’s pretty clear he is faking symptoms while down there. He is not even supposed to be able to drive and yet he drove hours to see me and go back home. The army platoon sergeant is a woman who also once got played by an army guy. She knows my ex is a sociopath, and she wants to nail him.
I actually have mixed feelings about turning him in at this point and him knowing about it. I’m not afraid of him. But I just want to move on with my life. I don’t even want him to know I’m thinking about him at all. I feel this stirs up more karma with him. Yet I feel it is the right thing to do. I am keeping my word to him. I had told him if I ever saw him posting on our reptile site again, I would turn him in. He posts there all the time. So I turned him in. Oh, and naturally, he lied and said we were just friends. Good thing I saved 25 voice mails!
I still see him around on the website. I no longer have panic attacks when I see his posts. But I feel a very deep hurt that I have not healed yet. I don’t even feel I can talk to another person about it. It’s just so painful. I thought I was pretty much over him, but the pain is so deep. I hope I can get through this. I just want to move on with my life.
Thanks for listening. I hope everyone is well and that court hearings last week all were victorious.
My warmest regards,
StarG
Dear heartoheart: Yes, but you will get through his devastation he left in your life.
Besides what is written on this blogg, check out the site for Givers and Takers. That’s an eye opener. Their modus operandi behind why they do what they do.
http://www.abusefacts.com/articles/Givers-Takers.php
Look at the bright side. We don’t have the need nor desire to con people to get things done in life. They do.
We can really LOVE. They have no clue what love is all about.
We don’t have to lie, cheat and steal to survive. They do.
We have family and friends that love us and we can appreciate their love. They don’t realize what they have in their lives … too busy being consumed with the sin of GREED (for one, then there are the other sins incorporated in their lives).
They confuse us until we take the steps to seek the truth of what they are all about … move on down the path of life better and stronger. They are confused all through life and don’t even have the sense to put their feet on the path of life, learn lessons, wisdom, etc. What a waste. Shameful waste.
Rest assure, we win, they loose. They may get the materialistic victory … but we still held our own and continue to focus staying on walking on the righteous path in life.
Peace.
Oh wow, thanks for helping me stay out of denial. I just read a bunch of your posts and was nodding my head to the similarities. He seemed smitten with me before we even met in person. He emailed me and wrote me a lot. It was so much that I was joking about him to my friends about it, calling him my “stalker”. The first day we met, he was trying to touch me and get too close and was talking about buying me things I needed that were expensive. When I asked him to back off, he did exactly what I asked. He backed off and befriended me for several weeks. That’s when I thought he was the perfect guy! He promised me the sun, the moon, and the stars. He even bet me $2000 that we would still be together after 3 months. (I kind of wish I’d gotten that in writing).
After a while, it seemed to be all about sex, too. Whenever I would just want to cuddle with him, he was just all over me every time. I can’t believe the similarities. And then there were all the broken promises. Most of the time he had an “excuse” which turned out to be a lie. Other times he would just say “I’m too much of a man to make excuses. You are a great woman and I don’t deserve a woman as great as you.” He played the sympathy card (after all, he is veteran of the Iraqi war). I got sucked right in.
Dear Stargazer: Does PREDATOR mean anything to you? That’s what they are, that’s why they need to be outed so everyone knows the truth about them. Everyone will now see that they are the ruthless predators that they truly are. This slinky behind masks, pretending to be nice guys or nice gals wanting to date us and have a relationship with us. Bunk. It’s greed, total greed that fuels their souls.
They are cowards too due to their greed. Instead of robbing banks and possibly being shot in their butts for stealing from an institution, they pretend to be lovers in society … sweetheart scammers taking what they can get from the unsuspecting (us). Stealing is stealing. Period.
Society is suppose to live in harmony and learn about life and lessons that God wants to teach. That’s it. That’s what God wants us to do, live and learn about life. “They” the predators of the world don’t want to go by this concept. They write their own rules, play their own game. I’ve got news for them … there will be a judgment day with God asking them the questions that they need to answer and there will be no MASKS to hide behind when dealing with God.
Peace.
Peace.
Stargazer: I think the confusion with “them” is that we don’t live our lives with ulterior motives behind anything we do, hence the confusion at the beginning when we are forced to open our eyes on “what just happened here”. They are the “PEOPLE OF THE LIE”. Smoke screening everyone for everything so they can get their greed(s) met. Nothing will ever full fill them, but that’s neither here nor there in my writing. Besides, it’s already written throughout the Bible.
Negative, greedy motivated people (the takers of the world) always put a smoke screen or a brick wall in front of you and say “NO” and are destructive in life.
Positive, creative people with no ulterior motives behind what they do (the givers of the world) say “YES” and always are productive in life.
Peace.
Oh, I forgot to write this.
Takers (the liars taking up space) of the world leave your life in destruction and shambles.
Givers (the truth tellers breathing air) of the world leave you whole or better than you were before they arrived in your life.
And a big Peace to that note.