Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Wini: You know when my ex first left me and due to the horrific manner that it all came about. I did a lot of research in trying to understand what on earth could make a man behave the way he did. What you describe sounds almost like what I read about “love addicts”. They have to have the “thrill” of newness all the time. When the new wears off, they’re off searching for someone to provide them with that same “high”, which of course continues to naturally wear off time and time again.
My ex was married (and still is) when we met. He told me he and his wife had been separated for 8 months and living separately with no chance of a reconciliation. (This was a lie) I went against my rule and dated him because I felt he was very sincere and believed his situation was different. (I have judged myself terribly for this, too). He told me the reason he could not file the divorce papers yet was because they were waiting for his medical discharge, so his daughter would get benefits. He said they would file through the army and that the divorce would only take 3 weeks. Like an idiot, I believed him! He finally told me on July 4th that they had filed the discharge and divorce papers on July 2. This turned out to all be lies! There never was a divorce, and if there were, it certainly cannot happen through the army! I believed him like an idiot. I believe he told me this so he could bed me one last time before the discard, which happened the next day.
Even my friends loved him and believed he was in love with me. He told me that in his 10-year marriage he never once cheated on his wife. He said he had many opportunities (which I believe). He said he is very picky and until he met me, he was just not interested in anyone else. I believed him. Though it would make sense that he has cheated before and is probably doing it again, I have seen no proof of any other extra-marital affairs. No one has ever turned him in to the army for it before. It’s very confusing. He seemed to genuinely love his daughter. He also seemed to genuinely care for me…..before the discard. It would actually be easier to hate him if I could see him moving on to his next victim. Then I would know for sure he’s a predator. Can someone just be a pathological liar without being a sociopath? Not that it would matter.
I cannot help wondering if he picked up on something about me–maybe the self-esteem issues–and that is what caused the discard. Even though I know that no normal person would treat another the way he treated me, I can’t help feeling like there is something wrong with me. He is 10 years younger than me and very attractive. I, only the other hand, am feeling fairly old today. I have really not felt like this for the last month or so. I know I’m having a relapse because I saw him on the website. This is why the NO CONTACT is so very important. I cannot emphasize it enough!
Stargazer: He owns that lie he told you when you met. Don’t take on the responsibility for his lies.
My EX told me when we met that he was divorced for several months. Paperwork I found 8 years later showed his divorce was finalized 2 months AFTER we met. So they lie to get what they want, when they want it. I think they lie so much in their lives they don’t know what the truth is anymore … creating more of their instability of whatever is their real problem.
I think they have multiple problems going on simultaneously in their lives. They probably are the BASKET CASES of the human species that we think others are … but not realize until we meet these characters.
It’s sad too … to be living a lie for your life. I mean we only have this one life … and to live it by means of lying is incredible to me. I get in trouble all the time for telling the truth … usually to the people who can’t handle truth… whatever that truth is. I just let it go … it’s their problem with truth, not mine.
It reminds me of the theory “no matter how fast you are going … whether it be 100 mph, 70 mph, 30 mph, or 20 mph … if you point your car in that direction of the brick wall you will hit that brick wall”. Moral of the story … drive another route out of the path of the brick wall.
Peace.
You’re right. I have to just remember when I see him chumming around with his (any my) internet friends, it is probably the closest he will ever get to having real friends. He seemed to have no real friends when I met him, blaming this on his wife and how controlling she was. I have to keep remembering that when he does try to have real flesh-and-blood relationships, he will do the same thing to them that he did with me. His internet life cannot be satisfying for him.
Stargazer: My x-P of 2 yrs told me when we first met he was separated from his wife. After 3 months, he was telling me he would file an annulment and was madly in love with me and we were gonig to get married. Never happened. Entire 2 yrs I was with him, he was cheating..always had excuses for not filing the divorce. Found out, he told the wife he was not filing because they were getting back together. Not true either. He’s still married to her and she has been wanting out. So now the S is onto the next victim…well I can’t even say that because she was there all the time. He is STILL married. What a loser. Liar. Cheat. Etc.
I found a Christmas card from the OW in May. It was real romantic and she wrote to him, “…your presence is my happiness. I thank god everyday we were introduced. What we have is real.” HA!! “Real??” She needs a reality check. What she had was him living with me calling me “fiance” and her thinking she was the only one.
Sometimes I wanna puke.
Iwonder: Look at the bright side … we function in life … it could be worse, we could be as screwed up as them. Heaven help when the professionals unlock the key to what they are all about and get them to drop their fear and we all get to see who comes out from behind the mask.
Right now, the way they exist are that of walking coma patients in the world. Walking zombies. Maybe they watched too many Abbott and Costello movies when they were kids.
Peace.
I wish I wish i could have NC. I don’t feel the need to speak with my x or to be with him ever again. I just want my deed back. Looks like he’ll be a no-show today with papers.
The only contact I want IS MY FOOT UP HIS ASS! I’m so mad. Exuse the curseword.
Iwonder: The easiest way I got over the first anti-social personality that I dated (because there are others around us in our lives, at work, school, church etc. but we aren’t having our hearts involved with those anti-socials … big difference being platonic with them versus having your heart wide open).
Anyway, I imagine him punching me in the nose every time I opened my door. A physical injury we can see, we feel it, we comprehend what kind of violence it is. What we get from our Xs and the way they leave is abuse, mental and emotional abuse. You can’t see it like a physical abuse. But, it’s abuse just the same.
Yes, get your papers back if you can. Good luck, both my vehicles are now in my EX name and he has no intentions of signing them back over to me. He doesn’t use them … it’s some weird destruction thing they’ve got going on with everyone they meet … they have to hurt you in some way for being REAL, being human, not being perfect.
I keep being reminded of Gary Ridgeway … the green river killer. Killed prostitutes … looking down on these women as the dregs of society … he being superior and in his twisted mind he needed to rid them from society? A god complex, thinking he was above everyone that he made decisions who lived and who did not have the right to live? Talk about your screwed up mentalities. Hey, at least he’s still around so mental health professionals can learn about them … they executed the others and we never got any truth … if they can ever speak the truth or even know truth to speak it.
Wini: I’m not rolling over. I will be contacting the prosecutor’s office tomorrow. In the State of NJ, there is no common law marriage. In otherwords, unless it is a legal on-paper marriage, there is no 50/50 split of ANYTHING. He is not entitled to my property, and he committed fraud to get his name on the deed. One thing he is…a big coward. If I threaten “prosecutor” he’ll drop the papers off. Just like I threatened to call the police and report the car stolen if he did not return it. I know what I’m dealing with. I tried playing the “I’m so upset, hurt” role. It doesn’t work.
I doubt he would want the prosecutor calling him or coming to his home. It would screw up the current gig he has going with the new victim. He needs a roof over his head. Hopefully, this will work.
UGH!
stargazer: my ex-s/p/n was more than 10 years younger than me. it doesn’t matter. his wife is gorgeous and he treated her way worse than me.
we were together on and off since our 20’s. when he discarded me … telling me that he never ”thought of me as a lover” … i was devastated. i felt like the oldest, ugliest woman on the earth. he said that because he knows that is what would hurt me most. we always had a very intense sexual relationship. he’s gorgeous and young and his body is perfect. HOWEVER, don’t believe for a second that yours didn’t cheat on his wife. mine was married too. he told me he never cheated either, but he was cheating with me, and cheating on me … so what does THAT mean? he ALWAYS cheated on everyone he was ever with. i knew he was cheating on me, too, but could never catch him and, of course, wanted to believe him. being older, part of me felt, ”well, look how young and gorgeous he is. but at least he loves me best. he doesn’t love these other women.” well, obviously, he didn’t love me either.
keep your head up. way up!! they’re both sick people. they’re both manipulative liars.
my ex never wanted to go to sleep … he used to take three showers a day. as i told him when he tossed me away, “sure does make sense now why you don’t sleep, and oh, btw, you can’t wash off your kind of dirty!”
hehehe … i don’t think he even got it.
hang in there, sweetie.
TOWANDA!!!!