Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
thanks henry.
but no one has tried to call me.
i ran in to the friend on the street.
i’ll shut up now and just remember there are no answers.
i just hate for anyone to think i did anything wrong.
it’s INFURIATING!
yes it is – you have given (me) some good advice and comforted me when I was ( going crazy) you know what is going on – hang in there sweetie
Dear lost in Grief,
See that maligning behavior for what it is…projection and sabatoge. If you call an rage at him, he will deny it anyway. I know, I’ve been there too with my exN. It’s tough to know what to do because:
1. You want him to know you know what he did.
2. You want to make sure he knows it didn’t work
But why? Will it change his behavior or just reinforce it? He will have succeeded in making you break the no contact. You have already shot down his lies with the person who counts.
If you are playing ping pong with someone and you don’t return the ball…game over. My policy is not to play my ex’s games whenever possible. When I first stared refusing to play, (back when I used to talk to him on the phone,) he panicked. I just kept repeating, “Jxxx”, I’m not going to fight with you”. This ex-Marine, ex-cop panicked and was reduced into actual hysteria. But no matter what he said at that point, I calmly repeated my statement. I’d been with him 13 years and I have never seen his uptight personna break like that.
OMG, it was so empowering and the best thing was I had more respect for myself when it was over.
Now if I absolutely have to respond to something he’s done or said, I do it in writing, (usually email), calmly, cold and clinicly pointing out what I know he’s trying to do and telling it like it really is.
I think they crave the drama and the conflict. I don’t give it to mine. I don’t need it in my world anymore and when you give someone what they are addicted to, you just reinforce their addiction and your position as one of their suppliers. I used to think raging at him made me feel better and made a difference. It never did…it only got me raging and upset and fed his addiction.
It’s a tough decision…Good luck and God Bless you and everyone on this site.
Hi everyone. Just dropping by and will read the posts a little later. I have not heard back from the army regarding punishment for the S. I’m deciding if it’s worth pursuing at this point (continuing to call the captain to find out what is happening). I really just want to move on, but I wonder how I will feel later on down the road if I find out he got away with playing me and defrauding the army. Someone also mentioned that he could have also gotten some information while at my house to steal my identity, too, and now this has me worried a little. I don’t think he was ever in my house alone.
I have not heard from him and have not been around on my internet site to see if he’s still hanging out there (I’m assuming he is). I have some concern about him coming after me when he finds out I turned him in. I may buy some mace just to be on the safe side.
I do have one friend who is a healer that I went to a retreat with this weekend. She believes there is no such thing as “evil”. She calls is “heavy energy” and believes that I just need to call it “evil” for my own healing. It bothers me to have my truth squelched, but I guess she has never dealt with someone like an S before. I think if you haven’t dealt with it, it’s hard to understand.
For henry: The fact that you are even concerned about your ex’s feelings after you left him shows that you are not a sociopath. Besides, you could say the most horrible things in the world to them. It probably doesn’t faze them one way or the other. They’ve probably heard it all before and they deserve it. I would have said the same things to my ex, except that I don’t think he even deserves the satisfaction of knowing my feelings.
Dear LIG,
Honey, I know that you want to SCREAM AT HIM! SCREAM HERE! RAGE HERE! But do NOT call the fricking liar. Don’t give him the satisfaction of even knowing that you know or care.
Besides, these “friends” are not your friends if they believe such a thing. What did you expect a PSYCHOPATH to do, admit that HE WAS THE LIAR? You know THAT’s NOT GONNA HAPPEN. That is all just his little ploy to place blame on you, and placing blame on others is WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY ARE. If you ever wondered if he is a psychopath, now you KNOW HE IS. ((((hugs))))
Dear Escaped,
I am so sorry you have had such a horrible experience with your X and his family, and that your children are involved as well. They use the children as “clubs” to pound YOU over the head, use them like pawns in a chess game, to sacrifice in order to make you hurt. How low can they go? Of course every time you think you have seen the LOWEST they can go, they suprise you and go EVEN LOWER.
You and your children are in my prayers and thoughts, as are all the LF bloggers, for your peace and comfort. Reading about them, learning about them, and realizing that there is NOTHING you can do to change their natures will help you to realize that there is NOTHING YOU COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY that would have made the slightest difference.
Have as little conversations as you can with them, love your children, and “don’t take it personally”–I know that sounds hard to “not take it personally” because THEY INTEND it personally, but it wouldn’t matter if it was you or someone else, they want CONTROL, they want POWER OVER YOU, and they want YOU TO HURT> It is a big “game” to them scoring points off your head an dheart, using your kids as darts.
As much as you can don’t react, they may actually get worse for a while when they aren’t succeeding in pushing your buttons, but eventually they will lose interest if they don’t see you “react” if they can’t “get a rise” out of you.
Do your “reacting” here—we will understand for sure! Scream here, rant here! Also I suggest that you go to Dr. Leedom’s blog, it has a link from the left side of the page here “blog rolls”–about parenting the at risk child. That should help you keep your cool and realize what is going on with your kids. Your kids need you desperately to be a buffer between them and their father. God bless you, Escaped, and your children as well. ((((hugs)))))
LIG – when I encounter anybody that know’s my X – if they utter his name – I stop them right there and say – I don’t want to know any thing about him – next subject–
LIG, Henry’s advice is right on! Don’t even listen to them. Don’t discuss it. That’s the HIGH ROAD.
ox, henry, et. al: thanks so much. back on track. i sometimes forget that everything he says to EVERYONE is a lie … not just the crap he said to me. it is still so unbelievable to me.
love you all …
NO CONTACT AT ALL!!!
Ox, thanks for your insight regarding my children. I will read the info about at risk children…The more I read the more power I have. I bought a book about at risk children of people with anti social disorders. I really liked your forgiveness article. I do have a hard time forgiving myself for the past with the S. I need to move on and make better choices for the future, because it is brighter than it has ever been before! I have more knowlege, which equals power! I have so many more people who love and care about me than I did when I was married. Sometimes when I think about it I just cry, because it feels so darn good.
My oldest son had a good observation and I am very surprised/proud that he shared it with me. I picked up the kids yesterday from their dad’s and I see that he bought a truck for his new business. He had to start a new business since he lost his job (isn’t that what everyone does?). I knew that he was going to have his fiancee purchase it for him–perhaps an early wedding gift? Anyway, my son said that Dad spends so much money. He said that he is worried or concerned about it. I asked him if he was worried when I spend money and he said, “No, you have a job!” Sometimes I think they don’t see things, but I underestimate them, I guess. I told him to not worry and that his father has to deal with it. I also told him that there is another person in the house that has a job (his fiancee). I left it at that.
While driving home I was smirking and giggling. I kept it to myself. S are creatures of habit aren’t they? The same cycle over and over again. He did the same thing when we were married–buying trucks for businesses or starting new businesses. It is almost like watching a soap opera. Once you watch one for a while the same things happen over and over again–just different points in time and/or different cast of characters!
-Ginger