Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Dear Ginger: Remember, the money your EX will be burning through is his newest victims’ (yes, plural) … not his. I don’t find anything funny about another future LF blogger finding this site. My EX burned through everything I worked and saved for of 30 years. I may have well sat on my butt and ate potato chips for all that it matters to creatures like them.
Just know … those victims are just as innocent in the knowledge of what he’s all about as you were at the beginning … instead of keeping the knowledge to yourself … why don’t you try (it won’t happen, he’ll block any communication from you to them) and tell them what he’s really all about. Knowledge is power … I keep trying to get messages to my EX latest victim. I pray she has a good support system around here when he bubble bursts.
Peace.
Let me repeat the last sentence to my last paragraph:
Knowledge is power … I keep trying to get messages to my EX’s latest victim (he married her). I pray she has a good support system around her … when the inevitable happens … and her bubble is burst.
I for one, would rather help another person (male or female) NOT to be victimized by anti-socials that I know for certain have this problem. It’s called “compassion for your fellow man”.
Peace.
Hello everyone,
New to this blog. Thank God for this blog and you wonderful people sharing your stories, feelings and offering support to those of us who need it. I can relate to EVERYTHING all of you are saying. It’s only been 3 weeks since I spoke to my ex-P and I haven’t spoken or seen him since. I don’t know where he is right now. Not that it even really matters. He could be in another city, state or country for all I know.
LIG: It won’t do you any good to tell the P that you know about the lies. He will not care…not even the slightest. When I revealed that I knew about his lies. He did not deny nor admit it was true. He told me to “believe what I wanted”. He said that he couldn’t believe I would trash talk him to his friends, especially since he was going to be my future husband. He told me to think about what I was saying and that he would call me in a couple of days. That’s when I told him that I never wanted to speak to him again.
I did the same things as you did. I called him every name under the sun. And I tried to break up with him on and off but he would get down on his knees and beg me not to leave him and that he didn’t know what his life would be without me. That’s because I did so much for him. I did things for him that I didn’t even do for my ex-husband of 10 years. My ex-husband cheated on me so he always used that as ammunition for himself. My ex would go to the bars/clubs, drink and be with other women. He would always remind me that he didn’t drink, do drugs or go to the bar/club. We were together a lot during the last year – inseparable. He called me before I went to work, he picked me up after work and then we went to the gym and went home. This was during the week. Then during the weekend, we stayed in a lot or went to the movies. He would tell me that he wanted to spend a lot of time with me and to try to find another man who would do what he did. He would say that he didn’t have any friends and that I was the only friend he needed. I told him that that wasn’t normal and I told him that he should be going out with friends. Now I know that he was “in hiding”. It wasn’t always like that thought. We used to do the normal relationship things.
I DO sometimes think about the times we shared…but then I try to remember that it was just a “facade”. He told me about his childhood, which would explain him being a P. Even if he was lying about his childhood, I know that something traumatic MUST have happened to him for him to be the way that he is. He has a mental illness.
I just want to start healing and move on with my life. I thank God that I didn’t marry this man or have any children with him. So far, I know that he has 2 children. I’m sure there are more out there. I feel sorry for the his children and the mothers. When he supposedly went to Europe, I found cards from the children and the mothers. He just left them behind.
Discarded and devalued!
For anyone on this site jealous and angry over the newest person your EX’s is dating or currently married to or going to be married to … look at it for what this truly is … that person is your EX’s latest VICTIM. Not someone you should be jealous or angry about because you are hurting and confused right now. You missing and still in love with him or her and they are not with you so that you can continue the illusion of your dreams of what you thought your life would/should be with them (I know this is painful) … that they are off with someone new is because they are using that person too. That is the reality. That is the ONLY reality for them. No one, and I mean no one has that special something for your EXs that will turn them around and make them feel. Only they, themselves, can turn themselves around … but, that takes insight into who and what they are all about … they have to have a reference point that something is wrong … they have to acknowledge they have a problem to work on the problem. Most likely, this will never happen … we are dealing with the “ego” of these people. Pure and simple. It’s their ego and low self esteem for whatever happened in their childhood’s that make them this way. Their ego is their reality and it is a very scary thing for them to relinquish it. Plus, they can’t change on their own. They need years of intensive therapy and the patience of JOB to work step by step with them. Reality. They (most likely) will never slow down long enough to have the incentive to make appointments with a counselor that will work with them. A counselor would get one or two visits with them … snap their fingers … oh, they’re not cured … what’s wrong with you Doc? And, they are off down the path of their lives without paying the doctor for their time. Clueless, clueless, clueless.
If it were easy to get these people into therapy … don’t you think the mental health profession would have done it already?
Peace.
Basically, pray for them. Pray for their current victims and future victims (because there always will be more victims being shattered along the way). Get on with the process of healing yourself.
Peace.
Oh my gosh…thank you for that WINI….
its funny bc exactly right now that is what i am going thru. I just told my ex p that we can just be friends…but I still feel a bit jealous thinking he is talking to one of the girls again that i found out about…or some new one. even tho he says there is only me…but he said that the whole yr we were together and I found out about 2 others…who knows how many others there was….I know I have to realize they are just victims too..but I feel like they are getting something I should be getting even tho it was a lie…dang that doesnt even make sense. UGH
heartoheart and everyone new to this site. While you blog remember to scroll upward to previous bloggings … and to check out the site and ALL it’s contents.
I am sorry to hear what happened to you. May you heal quickly during this horrible ordeal. Your story sounds like all of ours … different names, different players, different locations … but they are all the same … using people to get what they want in life … always wanting more, more, more from everyone/anyone (superficial things/situations) instead of realizing that every thing they ever needed is (has always been) inside themselves if they would slow down long enough to go silent (meaning stop listening to their big egos), think about their lives (starting with what transpired this day, today), then they can think about where they’ve been, where they are right now, where they want to go, realize that everyone at different times in their lives have been insecure and worked through their insecurities (demons that haunt us all), stop being so insecure and narcissistic (full of themselves) and figure out that we are down here on earth, living a human existence which means to live life in harmony with others … not use and abuse everyone to get their own way … and to stop believing in this delusion of what they assume life is.
Peace.
Dear findingpeace: It is normal to feel jealous, angry and slitted. You invested yourself in him for the life that you knew you both could live.
Believe me, “they, the takers in life” ALL do the same thing to everyone they meet. They some how believe that when they meet us … what and why they were attracted to us … will rub off on them and make them whole. When they don’t get this instant fix (within days of meeting us), it’s over for them except we don’t know it for months or years down the road … hence, why there are so many in their life (men and women, who ever they think they can get “it – the cure” from). I don’t know how many they have going at the same time … and frankly, we’d be more horrified than we are right now to find out the actual statistics … so better stick with what you uncovered so far and heal from that place instead of overwhelming yourself with more truth.
Go onto this site and read about givers and takers. The article (written for the heads of the churches), plus the LoveFraud site will provide you with information that will help you heal your soul. And, you can always blog with others that are healing themselves … everyone will gladly respond … that is when they are logged on.
http://www.abusefacts.com/articles/Givers-Takers.php
Peace.
Thank you, Wini, for all of your insight. And a special “thank you” goes out to OxDover for all of your wisdom.
I have been reading the previous blogging and reading all the contents of the site. In fact, before blogging to this site, I had already done some research on “love fraud”, “sociopaths and psychopaths” and “ani-social disorder”. So I now know that I had been with a P from the get-go.
In the beginning of our relationship, I knew that my ex-P was seeking therapy. I even drove him to his sessions. He only went a few times…but I remember him crying evertime I picked him up from his sessions. I would ask him why he was crying. He would tell me that he had been through a lot in his life, especially in his childhood. Did I feel sorry for him? Of course, I did. He told me that he would tell me someday when he had the courage. I encouraged him to keep seeing a therapist but he said that “some doors were meant to be kept closed”. I told him that he would never heal if he didn’t face his past head on. He also used to tell me that everytime he had stress/pain/disappointment in his life, he would ‘put it on his back.” I used to tell him that his back could only take so much and eventually….his back would break. He said I was probably right.
Then we started having problems with our relationship. He said that he would do anything it took to save our relationship and that he didn’t want to lose me. So I suggested that we go to therapy. We went every week for almost 2 months. We fought after every session. Little did I know that “therapy” was not even going to scratch the surface of our relationship…let alone HIM.
Dear heartoheart: He used one of “their” favorite “ploys or other word power play” on you. That, of him being the victim of his life circumstances. I too, was a victim to this ploy … to find out, not only was he NOT a victim … he was the PERPETRATOR.
Double click on this site http://www.abusefacts.com/articles/Givers-Takers.php
And remember these words were spoken prior to us being born: “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves”
The site will give you the knowledge and insight of understanding the difference between us (givers) and them (takers).
Peace to your heart and soul as you heal.
Wini,
My heart actually aches for my ex S fiancee. However, I don’t think that she would listen to me. For the last 4-5 months there have been tons of red flags that she is just ignoring them and believing everything he is saying. He has told her some lie about me, so she stays away from me. I have had a conversation with her, but he distanced her from me. I have considered sending her parents an anonymous letter. HE IS A SOCIOPATH! I believe if my ex ever found out that he would make things difficult for me. I pray that she doesn’t have any children. I see how he is using her. Everyone, friends and family, all know that he is marrying her for her paycheck. He loves the high of spending and material things; the newness of relationships and business ventures. The interesting thing is is that he eventually gets bored and then walks away. When we were married, I was the one left cleaning everything up–she will be there now too. I hope she wises up sooner than I did.
Right now, I need to make changes in my life to distance myself as much as I can from him. I need to get strong, because when she wises up I will be here for her, if she needs me. After I talked to her I cried for 2 hours, because I felt I was feeding her to the wolves. She is just so guliable and trusting–she was me.
FindingPeace,
Your last line, I know I have to realize they are just victims too..but I feel like they are getting something I should be getting even tho it was a lie”dang that doesnt even make sense. UGH”
That is how I feel. I look at the fantasy of their relationship and think that is what I want. But, in reality, it is not all that it is cracked up to be. My mind tends to exaggerate things. My life is good. I know exactly what it is and it is what it is because of what I am making of it. Over the weekend I saw someone that I haven’t seen in over 2 years and he said he couldn’t believe it was me.
I hope that helps…
-Ginger