Last Sunday, the Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper, published a front-page article about the career of Edward J. Devine. On August 1, 2008, Devine was sentenced to five years in prison for bouncing checks and deceiving nonprofit and educational institutions.
The bulk of the story was not about those crimes, but what Devine did to the women in his life. Claiming to be the heir to a Sonoma wine company and a trucking mogul, he left one wife, Donna Devine, and her mother $400,000 in debt. He wiped out the inheritance of another wife, Deborah Weiss. He forced his first wife, Carol Ceralli, into bankruptcy.
It’s a story that many of us know, and some of us have experienced.
But what is significant to me about this story is that it was brought to my attention by my brother. He saw the story in the Asbury Park Press and sent me the link.
That same day, my husband suggested that I look into Mike Wooten, the trooper at the root of Sarah Palin’s Troopergate. My husband was the one who read the newspaper articles about Wooten. “The cop looks like one of your guys,” he said.
I investigated further, and my husband was right. In my opinion, Wooten is a sociopath.
So last Sunday, two members of my family alerted me to stories about sociopaths. They’ve learned what these predators look like.
I consider this a sign of success. I’ve been talking about sociopaths, and they’ve been listening.
Criticized by my family
It wasn’t always this way. When I was in the midst of the trauma, trying to pick up the pieces of my shattered life after learning that James Montgomery, my ex-husband, was a con artist, I could not talk to my family about it.
They criticized me for not listening to them when they expressed doubts. (This was after I was married to Montgomery—no one said anything before I married him.) Then they criticized my recovery methods. I quickly learned that it was best not to tell them what I was doing.
Eventually, however, I worked my way out of the hole. I also began to develop Lovefraud. But it took time. Lovefraud launched more than five years after my divorce.
Now, when I tell my family that more than 1,000 people who have written to Lovefraud with stories of being targeted by sociopaths, they seem to realize that I wasn’t as stupid as they thought I was. Anyone can be a victim.
Talking about the sociopath
So how do you talk to people about your experience with sociopaths? I think two preliminary steps are necessary:
First, you need to educate yourself about sociopaths. (The fact that there is so much confusion about what to call them—sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials—doesn’t help.) Learn that millions of people have the disorder. Although there are symptoms and warning signs, these people are experts at hiding them. Treatment options are few to none. Everyone will run across a sociopath at some point, and if they don’t recognize the predator, they will become a target.
Second, you need to be able to discuss sociopaths as an educator, not as a victim. This means you probably are not going to be able to do it while the experience is raw. If you’re still coping with the pain, horror, self-doubt and grief, your friends and family will interpret your words as self-pity, and will come back with the refrain, “Get over it, already.” During the early phases of your recovery, it’s probably best to express yourself with the understanding community here at Lovefraud, rather than with your personal acquaintances who, however well-meaning, simply don’t understand.
But eventually, if you give yourself time and permission to heal, you will. And then, with your understanding of this destructive personality disorder, and your personal experience, you’ll be able to talk knowledgably about sociopaths to your friends and family. They’ll begin to understand, and start to recognize sociopaths on their own.
When you’re ready, you’ll be able to shine a light on these predators, and perhaps deny them a few victims. And that will lend some meaning of your awful experience.
Oxy. It means you are exhausted over everything you’ve endured throughout the years … and you are on YOUR GUARD with people who injured you so deeply.
Same message to you … be easy on yourself. You have had such a traumatic life, you make my situation seem like a “cake walk” … and you my dear, are a SURVIVOR!!
Peace to your heart and soul … as you continue waffle back and forth while you heal.
OXDROVER – oxy My Dear, I am very qualified to help with that question. Not only is my x-mother a Narcissist and a Physcopath she is a hypochondriac like no other I have ever known. If I had a dollar for every hour I spent taking her too doctor’s, emergency room’s, hospital’s, mental hospital’s, clinic’s I would be rich. Not only did I take her too these places I stressed and worried and took on her pain. I took her to get a boob job and was told to never tell a soul or I would be sorry. Well I am sorry but if you have little boob’s one day and dolly parton boob’s the next – well I didn’t have to tell anyone – duh!! Back to your guestion. My mother fell and broke her neck a few month’s ago – I didn’t go see her – she is in a rest home – I won’t go see her. Am I healed or callous? Both. Just like I have callouses on my hand’s, I also have them on my heart. I won’t allow her to damage my spirit – not one more time – never-. Because I know if I did she would attack me – verbally and physically if she could. She blame’s all her misfortune’s on me. I put that BITCH before me, before everyone my whole life. I was her slave – she owned me for 50 year’s. I will not listen too her lie’s ever again. I have no feeling’s for her – she destroyed so many live’s. Am I healed? when it come’s to HER? your damn right I am. Call me a sociopath or an asshole but I know evil – she makes Mike look like a saint—-don’t beat yourself up Oxy – I hear ya loud and clear – your conscience, your intuition and your heart are telling you it is OK not to FEEL anything!!!!!!!!!!!!you have done your time oxy—-enuff is enuff – don’t even think about it or I will get all 3 of my skillit’s and well you know—–
hmmm my therapist keeps asking about my MOMMA DRAMA and I tell her I can’t talk about it – so much pain OXY – so much pain…………..
Yes, OxD, TOWANDA!!!! I will keep you all posted. Has anyone heard from Standing Still about her court appearance? And BTW, OxD, I’m down to 3 more sessions with the narcissistic massage client and then she’s history, too. I gave her the opportunity to talk (and listen) to me. She pretended like the offer never happened.
Henry, you are not a bad person for setting limits with those who have hurt you deeply. I disowned most of my family when I left home at 16. I tried to have a friendship with my mother, but she refused to acknowledge my pain, so I am down to sending her a mothers day card once a year and that’s it. I believe we have the right to choose who we want to have in our lives. I met some wonderful people at a weekend spiritual retreat and decided I would like them to be part of my “family”. So I am going about organizing some gatherings and creating the community I have always envisioned. This place is like a little family, too, and so is my reptile site.
Henry: Bill Cosby said a quote (that he took from someone else, I don’t remember the man’s name) but it went like this “Hurt people … hurt people”.
I hope that clarifies something with your mom and our EX’s. Is there something that hurt everyone so deep, they just keep repeating it to others? Is that a human’s way of saying “I hurt”?
I don’t know … but, when Cosby repeated that quote … I was floored.
Peace to your sweet soul Henry.
Wini I saw Cosby on Oprah when he said that. Yes it make’s sense. But wini I don’t hurt people and the hurt I have endured is enormous. I know most of you by now think I am a nut. But I have avoided my ‘hurt’ all my life. Never have I expressed so much about me until I found LF. I am not looking for sympathy – billion’s of people are in horrible emotional and physical pain. I count my many blessing’s every day. I asked my therapist last time I saw her ” ok you have been seeing me 3 month’s, what is my diagnosis? am I a sociopath? do I have borderline anything?” she said no, you are depressed and have AVOIDANCE ISSUE’S Yes Hurt people Hurt people – I am not perfect – I have made ton’s of bad choices, lot’s of mistakes – but never have I intentionally Hurt anyone….
stargazer thanks – I have an adopted mother – not legally but she knows it – and she has a Halo on top of her head – really I have some wonderful good people in my life – my adopted mother is the one who pointed her finger at me and said Mike is a sociopath – I asked her later why did it take you so long to tell me? she said because you loved him and you would not have believed me – she said she new the first time she ever saw him that I was in trouble…
Henry you are about as much a sociopath as you are a three-toed tree sloth.. you are a wonderful, caring, insightful man.
Oxy.. I just don’t know.. I have tried to make perfect peace with my mom, it’ll never happen, and I used to be bitter about it, but I could NEVER come to the place where I just don’t care..
I will tell you why.. I learned (so slowly) from God to think of people not just in the context of how they relate to ME, but who they are to HIM. This works for me with most folks, there is only one who I really am indifferent to.. used to hate, but now just don’t give a chit.. my first husband..
But Oxy dear, you’ve been through so much more than I have, and you seem to be an extremely caring person.. so I think you must have just cut off your mom and son like rotting limbs, to save your own life. You are a strong person, I probably would have just rolled over and died…maybe this is the only way you CAN heal since your mom won’t change at all.
Thanks everyone for your responses. Yes, it also occured to me that maybe maybe he avoided his exes for fear that they would reveal his true identity.
Wini: I believe that my ex S isn’t the only one in his family with this “disorder”. His mother and his brother both tell huge tall tales. I always felt as though my ex’s mother displayed “fake” affection for me. I already owned my home when I married him and he moved into my house. The first time she visited us, she looked around, acknowledging all of MY belongings and asked him “How does it feel to finally be successful, Mikie?” Her words struck me as odd since she KNEW the circumstances and that it was my home that he had moved into! My household consisted of nearly 30 years of my hard earned work to acquire it’s contents. He moved into my house carrying his tattered clothing in a plastic trash bag! And, when he up and left me for the other “fool”, his mother said that he didn’t know what he was doing and that I was the love of his life and that she was going to bring him back to his senses and tell this harlot to get away from her son! A week later, she told the new girl how she could see that she was the “love of her son’s life”! The entire family is nuts!