An article in last week’s New York Times magazine contained the following amazing statement: “Repeating a claim, even if only to refute it, increases its apparent truthfulness.”
Although the article had nothing to do with sociopaths, the statement made me think of my ex-husband, James Montgomery. Among his many lies, Montgomery claimed to be a member of the Australian military, a decorated Vietnam War hero, and a member of the Special Forces. None of this was true, but from what I can tell, he’d been making the claims since at least 1980 (we met in 1996). They’d been repeated many times, for many years—which apparently enhanced their believability.
Like most of us here on Lovefraud, I felt like a complete fool for being so totally deceived. Why couldn’t I see the lies? But it turns out that I have plenty of company. Psychological research indicates that in general, people can distinguish truths from lies only about 53 percent of the time. That’s not much better than flipping a coin.
No signs of lying
Some people believe that there are physiological signals that someone is lying—for example, extraneous hand gestures or averting eye contact.
In one study, scientists asked more than 2,000 people from all over the world, “How can you tell when people are lying?” The number one answer was the same: “Liars avert their gaze.”
This may be true for some people, but it is not true all the time, and probably not true at all with sociopaths. Here at Lovefraud, we all have stories of the predator gazing into our eyes while he or she lied through his teeth.
Some researchers believe that liars tend to move their arms, hands and fingers less, blink less, and have more tension in their voices. Still, these behaviors are not consistent—some people who lie display them, and others don’t.
The point is, in hundreds of studies, researchers have found no reliable signal that indicates when someone is lying.
I don’t know, but I assume that the studies were done on general populations, and not populations of sociopaths. If we can’t detect lying in normal people, what chance do we have with sociopaths?
Truth About Deception
The situation gets even worse in romantic relationships. The reason, quite simply, is that we want to believe and trust our romantic partners.
“As people become more intimate and more emotionally involved they also become less accurate at detecting their partner’s deception,” states the website Truth About Deception. “People are too willing to give their romantic partners the benefit of the doubt.”
The Truth about Deception website is dedicated to explaining lies in romantic relationships, and the information presented is scary. For example, it states, “Most people think they are really good at telling when their partner is lying, but research shows that thinking you are good at detecting deception does not make it so.”
This creates, according to the website, a dangerous situation:
- As intimacy increases:
- People’s confidence at detecting deception increases
- People’s actual ability to detect deception declines
- Partners have more reason to lie
The website suggests that the only real way of determining if a romantic partner is lying is through some type of monitoring or surveillance.
Awareness, intuition, evaluation
So what’s the answer? How do we know when someone is lying?
The first step is to realize that people do, in fact, lie. That’s how honest, trustworthy people get into trouble—we don’t lie, so we don’t expect people to lie to us. This is a dangerous blind spot.
Our initial clue that someone is lying will probably come from our intuition. If we get that hit, that inkling, that the truth is not being told, we need to pay attention.
Then, we need to critically evaluate what is being said, along with evidence that proves or disproves the statements. When facts are irrefutable, we should believe the facts, and not the pleas of the liar.
So first of all…thank you everyone AGAIN! I feel sometimes like this is the place that saves my ass from obsessing ALLLLLL the time…things get put into perspective here 🙂
Sometimes I dont trust my own instincts because I DO sometimes exaggerate or blow things out of proportion…issues always seem bigger to ourselves when emotions are involved…
So, that being said…is it safe to believe or think that he may be, in fact, passively trying to provoke me with the ‘family’ picture-considering his profile is open now? Something else comes to mind…he had ‘friended’ his ex girlfriends…you know the two that he LOVED in his life when we broke up a while ago…when he and I began seeing each other again, he ‘unfriended’ them saying “I didnt think it would be appropriate to have them as friends” as if he were doing ME a favor! It seems as though he has done these passive things to get a reaction from me…now and then…hmmmmmmmm
Im sometimes embarassed by the lack of self confidence in myself knowing what I think I know…as I have always been very confident…anyone, anyone? Help is appreciated!
Robxsykobabe –
Its safest to not think or believe anything about him. Try telling me that at any point until recently and I would sneer my nose at you! But the truth is answering any of these hypothetical questions doesnt really help/or benefit us in the long run with the healing process.
We have to try not to get caught up again in what he is doing and why. We have to remember 99 percent of what he does is deceitful and game playing. Adding ex’s to profile, removing them like pawns…pretending to be one way and then being another when a relationship ends… and if he is doing these things to get a reaction from you — that just shows how immature and ridiculous he is — right??? Even if he were – knowing that doesnt benefit you -because all he would want is a “reaction” just to chalk one up for the boys — he got a reaction… DONT GO THERE!!!
Im not sure what you mean by lack of selfconfidence with this?? I dont see you lacking self confidence – I just see you wondering who the heck he is and wtf hes up to…???
The answer is – he is no different – he is still the same – he wont change.
Toxic – selfish – immature..
Self-trust and self-love and self-belief is what you need to strengthen! 🙂 Remember why you left him – and care not who is in his web of lies and deceit right now… his poor child… huh! Hang in there — more time with NC again and more processing the truth and reality will get you back on track — the reality of the fake talk, the fake smile, the fake profile, the fake person that he is! xo LTL
LTL:
So much sense! Thank you…omg! Yeah, its game playing…and thats what I thought, however, I AM lacking a bit in the self trust area (self confidence may have been the wrong word to use)…the ability to trust that what I know to be happening IS indeed happening…
I AM wondering who the hell he is and I seem to be a little on edge with whats gonna happen next…like when he gets his license back (possibly) next month…its strange how I feel.
If I could send everyone, including you, an envelope with a gigantic hug in it, I would as you all have been SO unbelieveably helpful…Im healing faster than I thought…because of LF!
Robxsykobabe –
Its all such a process…you really can do no wrong… you really just have to be yourself and what I did was what you are doing … questioning, sharing, being brutally honest about your journey and where you are!
I agree you are doing an EXCELLENT job…. set backs happen and as one-step pointed out sometimes we actually grow even more from our setbacks- it just sucks having to go through them and get back to the other side.
Try to focus on the fact he did show you who he really is. Sometimes we just wonder about the fact that the real him is a bad/toxic person and we waiver on it. Trust yourself that he is who he showed you he was. and on top of that you learned he, his ways, his choices are not healthy for you and he doesnt have your BEST interest in mind!
Im really glad you got the feeling you did when you looked at his pictures — our instinct is usually spot on — it was telling you to grasp that he really isnt a good guy for you -and that you ARE doing the right thing by going NC and healing and learning who you are and what you deserve going forward with others… there will be others.. when youre ready… Way to go girl! ((HUGS RIGHT BACK ATCHYA)))
learnthelesson you said
Try to focus on the fact he did show you who he really is. Sometimes we just wonder about the fact that the real him is a bad/toxic person and we waiver on it. Trust yourself that he is who he showed you he was. and on top of that you learned he, his ways, his choices are not healthy for you and he doesnt have your BEST interest in mind!
…this is why I come on here when I’m down and weak..so I might find the very words I need to get me over a bump.
Thanks matey
LTL:
I do need to remember that he showed me who he is right from the beginning of ‘us’, however, he sugar coated like no ones business. I was thinking about this the other day…
I was like an outside observer looking in after he got arrested on my family vacation. It was at that point, that he was made to make a decision as to who/what he was going to show my family and myself-he was busting at the seams and had to hold himself ‘together’. He chose, while sitting in the cell and being angry with ME for not ‘bailing him out sooner’ to be who he always was…a loser, liar, manipulator, con man. It was at that time, when he was going to HAVE to face his ‘secrets’ that he needed to decide the path of truthfulness or untruth. He, like every other time, chose the path of deceit.
I saw this and with each court date he had, his story got more and more convoluted although he kept up the lies.
So, is this a game he’s attempting to engage me in? I think so. He does work from the perspective of getting a ‘rise’ out of me…for however futle his attemps may be. Would he be so bold as to post things about me to ACTIVELY look like he’s provoking me? Hell no! He’s passive and so the picture posting, and friending ex’s, and opening his profile a little, and erasing his ‘status’ (single, in a relationship, etc) so I cant see it…yeah, they’re all attempts at sending my mind spinning.
Spinning? Not so much. Processing? Yes. I haven’t lost sleep over this, that’s for sure…and although he will always be a jackass, I will NOT always be off balance. 🙂
Rosie –
I do and did the same.. with 100% certainty, I got over the worst bumps in my path with the help and insight and caring ways of the LF contributors. With our willingness to believe in ourselves as well as share and learn and grow here …we cant go wrong ! Glad youre here Rosie!
Robxsykobabe (your name is so hard for me to master without typos :))
So funny – it just causes me to check it and recheck my spelling 🙂 Might have to abbreviate it to Rbabe! 🙂 –
NOW YOURE TALKING RIGHT ON TRACK – HE WILL ALWAYS BE A JACKASS AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO NEVER LET HIM SET YOU OFF BALANCE EVER AGAIN! Youre right..its a process!!
Spinning class will be the most spinning Ill be doing too! Great Post above!
LTL:
Funny you should say that about spinning class…IM A SPIN INSTRUCTOR!!! Hence, the name…robxsykobabe (aerobics=Im a group fitness/spin instructor psycho=Im a therapist babe=uhhh, what do you think :P)
Rbabe – 🙂
Too funny – I remember you sharing the aerobics part…and that you werent ” Rob’s ex psycho babe” — but its sometimes easier for me to type it out as such !! 🙂 So cool youre a spin instructor! So cool!!!! And a therapist and a babe!!!! = A balanced woman, who wont ever let another throw her off course again — instead look for like-minded ones – whose actions are what show you their intent and ability to love and be loved!
I am tracking my xP, in terms of his online status. As long as I know he is online, playing his game, I know hes not on his way to me : )
Being in no contact has helped so much, still think about all of it daily, still processing all the lies and deceit. But at least I know hes not on his way to destroy me and my life.
I feel justified in this. Besides, the things I see in tracking, like him with other women, just reinforces all his lies and deceit for me, makes it easier for me to move on and stay in no contact and also gives me a good laugh knowing hes really a big fat loser who will never get on with his life or with anyone.
The best knowledge is knowing hes incapable of love. You know why that sits so well with me? Because love is the greatest feeling in the world and he will NEVER really experience it. That is not something I would wish on anyone, but it seems very appropriate for him since he hurts everyone that comes in contact with him.
I know it probably sounds sick but someone I have justified it in my own mind.