Editor’s Note: The Lovefraud reader who write as “Jofary” relates her experience with a sociopath in Canadian divorce court.
I first participated on this site three years ago when I learned that my daughter, then only a toddler, was being sexually molested by her father (my ex). Up until that point, I was dealing with things in the typical way. I had caught my ex cheating on me and, when our son was only three months old, he immediately moved in with his mistress, who herself had extricated herself from her fifteen year stable marriage, believing my ex to be her “best friend and soul mate.” That was extremely distasteful in and of itself but, given my ex’s contributions (or lack thereof) emotionally, physically, and financially to our brief marriage, I was able to disengage from him within a month of his departure. Unfortunately, he became aware that I was not going to be his “back-up” plan after he was done having his fun with this woman, and became extremely vindictive towards me. Perhaps it was my demeanour towards him — he was completely irrelevant to me and I treated him as such by refusing to answer his phone calls or greet him personally at the door during the exchange of our children. In any case, it propelled me on a path to utter chaos and unsettlement.
My ex refused to negotiate on the sale of our house, all the while refusing to share payments on the mortgage or massive family debt (while I was on maternity leave, no less), claiming “it benefited him to keep his name on the deed as long as possible” and eventually confessing that he “didn’t care how much it cost to go to court, he just wanted me out of the house.” He didn’t want much access with his children and sporadically paid child support. The house was my only source of income (rental) and stability for the children and I attempted to buy him out immediately, at the time he left, and when I could afford it. When it became apparent what he was demanding far outweighed what he was legally entitled to be paid by me, and he absolutely refused to negotiate, I reluctantly agreed to sell the house and decided to take the case to court to have it settled.
Moving away
Then, the realization that he was molesting our daughter, coupled with the fact that I no longer had secure housing in one of the most expensive places to live in North America, made me realize I had no choice but to relocate. I applied to a school 300 km outside the area and was immediately slammed with a do-not-remove order by him and a demand to have the children live with him full-time. I can only conclude that being court-ordered to pay child support was weighing heavily on his mind. He was, at heart, a parasite and given that nature, it probably seemed unnatural to be giving money when he felt he should be getting it! I was successful in fighting this because my situation was precarious at best and certainly not in the best interests of the children, and I went on to school in a diploma program that complements the degree I already have in the hope that I would be financially independent in the near future.
Going to court
Near the end of my diploma program, our court dispute over division of assets came due. On the advice of my lawyer, this was an oral process (as opposed to affidavit) so, since I was the plaintiff, I was the first to sit in the witness box and make my statements. It was painfully difficult for me but I did my best, and had prepared thoroughly beforehand. He followed, with his own statements and I was stunned, floored, by the entire debacle, realizing I had seriously underestimated his ability to deceive. I was expecting some lies, but not the outrageous dishonesty he displayed. He was a flamboyant liar — claiming he was responsible for twice as many family debts as I was, that I had refused to cooperate with medical, daycare, and extracurricular costs for the children even though the exact opposite had occurred (much to my frustration and financially difficulty) — complete with an air of sincerity, tears, and victim mentality. I, on the other hand, came across as frustrated, defensive and probably vindictive (the “scorned woman” syndrome) — as I well should have been considering how financially devastated I had become as a result of his parasitic behaviour since separation. I had no defence for his accusations because “my time” in the witness box was over and I realized I was doomed.
In the end, he “won” the case and the assets were split equally, despite the fact that he had not shared a dime in the mortgage costs, repairs to the house, or insurance costs, and had driven a vehicle I was paying for over the last three years, simply because the credit was in MY name, which he didn’t have to reimburse me for. All because the entire oral debate relied mainly on the spoken word, with no opportunity for dispute based on written proofs.
Credibility of witnesses
In retrospect, it would have been much wiser for me to have demanded the trial be done by affidavits, not orally. Then I could have presented the truths coherently and plainly, through the plethora of e-mails I received from him refusing to share costs and acknowledgment he was walking away with no debts. As it were, the judge made his judgment based on the credibility of the witnesses. It was stunning and difficult to accept that even though I told the truth, apparently my ex presented himself to be a much more credible witness than I.
The important lesson that I learned, and which I wish to share with other Lovefraud readers in a similar position is this: Do NOT expect the truth will come out in court during an oral trial. If your ex has been able to bamboozle you successfully enough to establish a relationship, and has a history of deception, then the chances are very good he or she will be able to appeal to judge in the same way. Practice makes perfect, as they say. Written affidavits are far better evidence when dealing with this type of individual, and the more evidence, the better.
Dear Jofary, Thank you thank you thank you. I have been working towards my day in court for 14 months, and may eventually have to represent myself. This advice is very valuable, and you are correct. My exes display of fake sincerity is breathtaking and VERY convincing. I would likely not stand a chance in a verbal exchange.
Welcome to Lovefraud. I hope you are through the worst of it and creating a new healthy life for yourself and your children. I am so sorry for the devastation you had to go through, especially in regards to your kids.
I am wondering when you realized what you were dealing with, and if it helped to know that your ex is likely a P/S/or N.?
Thanks again for speaking out and educating on this important issue.
Peace,
Jofary…thanks for the story of how things go in the “justice system”. I avoided the “court appearance” before the judge. All the true “issues”…the d&d, the discard, the betrayal…the married “boyfriend” my daughter was exposed to…my attorney advised were not issues the court would address. I asked “When did legality get separated from morality?”
So, to reduce conflict, the negotiations were not direct. My lawyer negotiated with her lawyer…and an agreement was hammered out, and an “agreed entry” was submitted and approved by the judge. The judge never saw me, but did see my ex-tox once when her lawyer tried to hold a preliminary hearing without us knowing (he apparently had connections in the clerk/court staff who “sandbagged” the summonses and mailed them too late-something I may pursue in the future).
I gave up some money at issue for the ability to see my daughter nearly every day. I pay the agreed support on time every time so far.
My ex-tox…she tries to circumvent, dismiss, forget, violate, and ignore the agreement she signed and the judge ordered. She has broken state statutes requiring notifications of change in residence and employment location. She refuses to honor the parenting time schedule as laid out. She has no concern for inconveniencing me.
But, I deal with it. Due to her lack of concern, I usually net more time with my daughter. My life is not chaotic, so I can adjust.
The payoff comes in the future, and I’m already enjoying some rewards with all my children, including the adult ones.
At least I didn’t have to listen to her lies in court….of course she was the victim.
(Jofary…your toddler and the molestation…was there ever any legal activity on that?)
I just read an article on “how to” interrogate a psychopath- I am sorry you learned this lesson.
I posted it here:
http://holywatersalt.blogspot.com/
Dear Jofary,
Thanks for sharing, and I can’t even imagine how you must have been stunned by the “IN-justice” system.
Your advice is sound and “get it iin writing” is ALWAYS good advice with the Ps–it makes it so much easier to prove they are LYING if they put it in writing.
Jim, glad you are doing well—it makes me shake my head in wonder everytime I read one of these articles—reminds me how gullible other people are (not just US!)
Jofary:
I admire you for managing to keep a roof over your children’s heads and still grapple with the debt — to say nothing of protecting your daugheter against sexual abuse –all while you were in school.
Many of us feel like we were weak for letting the sociopath get away with for as long as we did. It took me awhile before I realized that a friend was speaking the truth when told me “You’re an incredibly strong man. I would have buckled by now from what S has put you through.”
I won’t try to second guess what your lawyer’s strategy was for not having you supply documentary evidence. However, at the end of the day, the best evidence is always documentary evidence.
We we all want to be heard by the S. We all want our day in court. We are looking for justice and vindication. As you discovered, when it comes to a sociopath, we’re never going to get it because they lie and lie and lie.
The truth of the matter is you can’t argue with what’s in black-and-white, and preferrably notarized.
For what it’s worth, you probably wouldn’t have come out much differently on the asset split. The courts would probably say “You had to pay for a place to live. Whether you paid rent to a landlord or a mortgage payment to a bank, doesn’t matter.” And the other big problem, as you are well aware, is that it doesn’t matter how you agree to apportion the debt — if the sociopath doesn’t pay, you are on the hook.
Again, you are an incredibly strong woman and I hope you can continue to keep your kids away from this monster.
Jofary: Thank you for the very good advice, which could also come in handy in some other type of court situation! His performance in court sounds disgusting, not to mention everything else he did.
Dear Jofary,
I’m so sorry you went through this.
The S/P/Ns in our lives have proven extremely good at fooling most of the people most of the time. When it comes to the arena of group dynamics, they are absolutely able to sway a mob in any direction they please.
It stands to reason they can lead a judge around by the nose with verbal testimony. Even the dumbest S/P/N is more convincing verbally than the brightest normal. Don’t ask me why. It’s one of those mysteries of the universe.
Any time it’s us against them, our challenge is to get people to examine the FACTS, irrespective of the dramatic performance of the S/P/N. Documents are our allies, and ultimately education is the deciding factor. If the person weighing the evidence doesn’t know what an S/P/N is well enough to recognize the symptoms in black and white, we’re still SOL.
Sometimes people ask me about the professional qualifications of two cluster Bs I know. I always say, “He’s reliable in his work habits and technically capable. Do a background check before you hire him to work within your ministry. If he passes the background check, hire him.” Tragically, they NEVER perform the background check. Both men pass personal interviews with exceptional ease. Those background checks are never performed. What those background checks would have revealed is a real eye opener.
Both men’s disorders are laid out in black and white in their background checks. They’re just over 50. Their background checks could be used as textbook samples of typical life histories of cluster Bs. The trouble is, after people have gotten a dose of these men’s persuasive capabilities, they are pretty much mesmerized.
Any time we’re dealing with cluster Bs, we need to stick to documented facts. In court, in employment, in contracts, in any conceivable situation where reality matters, the glamor of the S/P/N must be countered with proven facts, education and reason.
Jofary,
The privacy of the victim is important in cases of child molestation. We are not entitled to details of what your child experienced.
I am interested in knowing the nature of the evidence you were able to present in this regard. Did you have any documentation of physical evidence? Were their professional opinions of your child’s degree of trauma? Was there any documented evidence your ex was interested in child pornography?
Elizabeth Conley…I’d kind of asked the same question…any legal trail? Details…you’re right.
That’s my concern…what my daughter is exposed to. My lawyer said, re the boyfriend “Unless he’s a convicted child molester, there’s nothing you can do.”
Well, I checked for a criminal record, found the handgun permit…documented the fact he was actually married to his wife…
Now we have his son, 23, turn up…”spending time” with my 13 year old daughter…just out of “rehab” for drugs and alcohol…with a 2 yr old son. His ex-girlfriend flaunts her “bi” personna on Myspace…chaos to the max!
I warned my daughter…if they leave you alone in the house with him…call me immediately…she already has an intuitive dislike for him.
The legal system…justice…blind in more ways than one!
Jim,
Thank God your daughter is 13. I’m glad the lass has some common sense. I think your daughter should tell Mom she doesn’t want to be alone with the boyfriend’s son. That’s the sane thing to do, at least it would be with a psychologically well mother.
The idea that perversion and crime are simple “lifestyle choices” as valid as any other is carrying judicial impartiality to a ridiculous extreme.