Editor’s note: The following story was received from a reader whom we’ll call “Violet” about her experience with a long grift, not of money, but of intimacy.
I knew L when we worked together at a call centre as customer service representatives. He seemed nice, and he had lovely, expressive brown eyes and a gentle nature. I was losing weight at the time, and he asked for my help, so of course I gave him advice and tips. He began to lose weight, and he invited me over to his and his girlfriend, M’s, apartment for dinner and to show him some ‘exercise moves’ (now I think it was mostly an excuse to ogle me). He looked at me very intently, it wasn’t menacing, but I definitely felt like he wanted to do more than just watch me.
At work he would call me over sometimes and tell me that he thought of me as a ‘really good friend.’ I would thank him, but I thought it was a strange thing to say because we didn’t know each other very well. The call centre was a gossip mill, and someone had told me that L and his girlfriend were into threesomes. That’s not my thing, but I don’t judge, and I didn’t think much of it at the time. I also got in touch with an old friend that had known L and M at another call centre. She told me that L had asked her to be in a threesome. She politely declined, but the incident got him fired (he eventually told me this). Again, I didn’t think much about it, but I did think that it was a bit careless to ask a co-worker to have sex with you and your girlfriend, to say the least.
I left work to go back to school, and I would get e-mails from him every so often. I would send a polite reply. Last year, he and his girlfriend moved to my city so she could go to school, and L and I went out for dinner. It was at this time that I realized that he liked me as more than a friend, so I decided to find out what kind of relationship he had with M. He told me it was open, and that M said that he could do whatever he wanted as long as he never left her. That didn’t seem very open to me, but I figured it was an arrangement that worked for them.
Friends with benefits
He said he wanted a ‘friends with benefits’ relationship with me. But he would lay on the sweet talk really thick. He would say I was a beautiful white dove with eyes of light, that when he thought about me he didn’t want a cigarette, I was a copy of Eve, I was Aphrodite, I was even an angel. But we still didn’t know each other that well, and his compliments were too dime store romance novel for my taste, although they made me feel good about myself.
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I tried to get to know him better. I knew that his father had died, but he didn’t talk about him much, which I found odd, but I chalked it up to masculine reserve (we always find an excuse, don’t we?). He had wanted to be a minister, and had been in a Master’s program, but he gave me a vague answer about why he dropped out. I thought it was strange that someone who desired a religious vocation would be content drifting to various call centre jobs for the past ten years. He also never had any ideas for activities, I always had to make suggestions, and it seemed like he relied on other people for entertainment because he didn’t know how to entertain himself. It was as if he had no inner life.
He would also look at me with such (I thought at the time) longing it was unnerving, but now I think it was also a predatory gaze. At one point the sweet talk was too intense and I told him to tone it down. He seemed so sad after that, he said he was patient, but he said he was patient a lot, and that bothered me. He was always online and he messaged me constantly to see how I was doing. There were red flags waving at me, but I thought he was very sweet and attentive, and he seemed like he desperately needed a friend and some affection. Once I decided I could ignore his lack of ambition and it was only a friends with benefits relationship that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway, I let him know that I wanted to be intimate with him. That part was very nice (I’ve noticed that other writers on the site mention that the sex is often good). Our sexual relationship lasted for three months.
Open relationship?
L seemed to really like me, but he could only see me when M was away, he told me she was seeing her girlfriend on the side (she was bisexual, he said). If it was really open, I wondered, then why can he only see me when she’s somewhere else? The only time L spent the night with me was a weekend M was away. He spent one night at my house, and he didn’t call her, she thought he had died, he told me. The next night, I went to their apartment and L called her while I was there, but he didn’t mention that I was in the apartment with him. He wanted me to sleep with him in their bed.
By this time he had started complaining to me about M, and I was beginning to hate her (I never thought that way about her before, she seemed nice, but very depressed). But I couldn’t sleep in their bed, it seemed like too great a violation of their relationship, so I made an excuse and left. I think that he didn’t want to be alone when M was gone, and any warm body would do. Once we started having sex, L talked to me online less and less, sometimes just sending a ‘check-in’ e-mail. I felt like I was being used, that I was giving him something M couldn’t, because he told me they hadn’t had sex in a long time. That didn’t bother me much until I realized I wanted an actual boyfriend, and it couldn’t be him because he would never leave M, and we weren’t compatible anyway.
At this time I made plans to meet him but he couldn’t because he was in a tight financial spot, so I said we shouldn’t make plans until his money situation improved. (Also, he told me that his sisters gave him some money but had turned him down when he asked for more, he then asked me for $20-$30, which I thought was in bad taste so I said no, my refusal and his lack of money didn’t seem to bother him very much.) He e-mailed me back saying that he agreed we should wait until he had more money, but then he said I was the most important thing in his life and he didn’t want to lose me. At first, I was flattered, but then I really thought about what he said. How could I be the most important thing in his life when he barely talks to me and he’s living with another woman? It defied all logic. If I saw red flags before, I was hearing sirens now, too.
Break-up e-mail
After a lot of deliberation, I sent him an e-mail (we rarely spoke on the phone, which also bothered me, if he liked me so much, wouldn’t he want to talk to me more often?) telling him I wanted an actual boyfriend, I felt like I was being used, and that being with me would not fix the problems he has with M. I was harsh, but I told the truth. I had hoped he would apologize and we could go back to being friends, or at least end on good terms. A few hours later I get an e-mail from M, telling me that they had been together for over ten years (he never told me that), that she loves him (he told me that they were together mostly to split cost of living, and that he thought no one cared about him) and that our friends with benefits relationship never happened, because if it did ‘he would have told me.’
I was devastated. He had lied to me and to the woman he presumably loves and has been with for over a decade. I have tried to piece together what may have happened. From what M wrote, he probably read my e-mail, and he was afraid I would tell M what we did (I never would have told her, he made me think she was a bad person), he most likely told her I had a ‘crazy idea’ that we had had sex, and that I wanted them to break up. He probably made me sound delusional. Maybe he even suggested that she write me an e-mail to ‘set me straight.’ She ended her e-mail with ‘If you want a boyfriend, I suggest you find someone single.’ I never replied to her, but I did send him another e-mail that said I was removing him from my facebook profile and blocking his e-mail. I haven’t contacted him since, and he hasn’t tried to talk to me.
The girlfriend didn’t know
It was at this point that I realized that M had no idea that L had visited me many times at my house. She thinks we only went to dinner once or twice and went for a few walks. I also realized that I thought M was a horrible person based on what L told me. I once went to their apartment and while he was in another room taking a phone call, she showed me family pictures; it seemed like she really loves and cares about L and his family. L once told me he thought M and I were a lot alike. He cited our love for animals, but I think it was really because we’re both nice, decent girls with shaky self-esteem, and he thought he could use me for sex, and he uses M because she gives him some semblance of a normal family life, and does things like cook for him.
I don’t know how much he even liked me, I think he got off on the thrill of deceiving M, and he thought I would be a willing partner because I like to believe I’m a free thinker and being in an open relationship intrigued me. Although I was raw for about a week, and I wondered if he had lied to me about everything (did he really think I was beautiful?), talking to my friends about what happened has helped me a lot. My roommate has since told that me he never liked L, because when they spoke he thought L was subtly trying to bend him to his will, and he reminded him of his ex, who was abusive and had tried to kill him. It was then that I started thinking that L was a psychopath, and I found the Love Fraud website. I’m not sure if L is a total psychopath, but his ability to lie to his long-time girlfriend and using her to hurt me makes me think he has enough of those awful traits to be dangerous.
I realize that I loved L, but actually, I loved a fantasy; a sweet man caught in an open but troubled relationship he felt he couldn’t leave, and he made me feel like I was wonderful for showing him so much affection and understanding. I am getting over the illusion, but I worry about M, who is still trapped in his dreamland. Maybe she really is rotten, and maybe they deserve each other, but I can’t imagine what he’s done to her over the years. I believe he played the ‘wounded bird’ routine with me when it is really M who is abused in the relationship.
I worry he might try to hurt her, or someone else he gets involved with. I want to contact her to tell her my side of the story, but I know she will only think that I’m crazy, and if she questions him, he’ll twist my words around to his benefit. I’m trying hard to let that urge to contact her go. Unfortunately, she will have to figure it out for herself, because psychopaths are good liars, but they’re not that good. His mask will slip eventually. I don’t worry that he will contact me again, as other psychopathic exes on this site have done, because he knows that I can no longer be manipulated. I’m sure he has moved on and doesn’t even think about me.
Psychopathy
The funny/sad thing is that I have a degree in psychology, and I specialized in abnormal psychology. I’ve read a great deal of the literature on psychopathy, and one of my professors even worked with Dr. Robert Hare. I was fooled, and I feel foolish. Despite friends who know both L and I telling me it was a bad idea to go out with him, despite knowing he had hit on other girls, I went out with him anyway. L seemed so sincere, but the more I thought about the odd intensity of his words and actions, and how they didn’t match up, something told me it wasn’t right. I could never get those little red flags to stop waving in my head. But I think I had to figure that out for myself.
I consider myself lucky that I was the ‘Other Woman’ and not in M’s position; I couldn’t imagine ten years with him. I hope M finds peace and happiness, and as for L, I don’t think he will ever know what love feels like, because psychopaths are a different species. I don’t think they are completely human. Some people on this website describe them as ‘broken,’ but psychopaths were never functioning to begin with. They can’t change, but we can teach ourselves and others their tricks and avoid them as much as possible, and that’s empowering.
I’m sure that there are other psychopaths who are using the open relationship model to lure partners who could never be with a cheater. An open relationship is a perfect cover for a psychopath; because often, the secondary partner isn’t integrated into their lives like the primary partner is, and their family and friends often don’t know it’s open. L’s family didn’t know, and although I wanted to meet his family and friends and vice versa, I knew I couldn’t as the secondary partner. If I had, maybe I would have figured out something was wrong, sooner.
In hindsight, I should have never have taken L’s word that M was okay with an open relationship, I should have asked her directly (as awkward as that would have been), but I’m sure he would have made an excuse as to why she didn’t want to talk about it. I came out of the ‘relationship’ with L relatively unscathed, and what I have taken away from my experience is: don’t feel bad for trusting people every once in a while. We’ve all trusted people before and it turned out well, and it will again. I’m not jaded, but I’m definitely wiser. I think these lyrics sum up my experience best:
I’m just another john you gypped
another sucker stiffed
A walk on role in the script
to your long, long grift
The love that had me in your grip
was just a long, long grift
“Long Grift,” from Hedwig and the Angry Inch
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Lovefraud originally posted this story on July 10, 2010.
LETTERS TO LOVEFRAUD: Lost and really need help
Dear Violet,
It doesn’t matter what degree you have, Psychopaths have a way of getting what they want from whom ever they choose. And the fact that you are intelligent makes you even more appealing and more challenging and more inciting.
It is only a game!
The S I thought I knew so well once, never had a stupid girlfriend nor a unattractive one, and there were many.
I understand your concern with the girlfriend but as you said, they can’t hide forever! and she is there for what ever lesson she needs to learn.
I remember saying to my ex husband’s ex girlfriend ” why didn’t you tell me” and she said ” because you would not have listened”. And she was right, I would not have listened because I was too busy listening to him. I would have defended him over anything because I believed him, I believed in the illusion he was offering.
As hard as it is, just pat your self on the back for wising up to this man before you became to damaged by his actions. Yes you were a lucky one, as you are not M and there are many M’s even on this site and their journey to reclaim there lives back is extremely difficult and sometimes a very long,hard and sad process.
Now you are not only book taught on psychology, you have experienced the true nature of these people which is invaluable if psychology becomes your profession.
Not only an open relationship these people will come up with any story and if that story works once they will use it forever and they get even better at the story every time.
All the very best wishes and thank you for your story!
Hi Dani S,
I am Violet, I registered before my story was published, but Violet is a good pseudonym! Thank you for your response. The articles and responses on this site have been so helpful. I am slowly starting to realize that I can’t take what happened to me personally.
But still, I hear a voice in my head that asks “What if you’re wrong?” Maybe I was too harsh in the e-mail, and it really hurt his feelings, and he lied to M to get back at me. But then I think, if he truly cared about me like he said he did, he would try to get in touch with me. I think he might try, but only if he gets bored. I have established NO CONTACT from the beginning, with him and anyone around him, including M.
Despite the No Contact rule, I desperately want to tell M my side of the story, but I know that won’t help anyone at this point. All I can do is pray that she sees his true face and gets out. I sincerely hope he is not capable of physical violence, I see him as more of a ‘gentle’ psychopath, who pretends to be sweet and good, but they can be just as devastating as the brutal kind.
Yes, my psychology training did not prepare me for meeting a psychopath face-to-face. The utter banality of it all was truly chilling, he’s just a guy, living his life. One thing I have learned is that they seem too good to be true in the beginning, but often the brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
Thanks again!
Hi Heather:
You say:
“I sincerely hope he is not capable of physical violence, I see him as more of a ’gentle’ psychopath, who pretends to be sweet and good, but they can be just as devastating as the brutal kind.”
From what I’ve seen, psychopaths show their most brutal side when they are threatened by someone or something.
Maybe this man, L, was not threatened enough by you for you to see his darkest side.
In fact, it sounds like his life was not affected at all by his relationship with you.
As I understand it, he’s still with M, and his life is going on without consequences.
So, there is no reason for him to be upset, from what I’ve read in the story above.
If this man is a psychopath, he’s got a brutal side.
Just because you have not seen physical violence from him does not mean he is not capable of it.
You even state yourself in the article, “I worry he might try to hurt her, or someone else he gets involved with.”
You would not have said something like this if you did not feel that this was a dangerous man.
I think you are doing the right thing in not warning M.
It will fall on deaf ears, and you will end up being persecuted.
She will have to figure it out on her own.
I am glad you are out of this dysfunctional situation.
Dear Heather,
You are not the first (and unfortunately, won’t be the last) smart and psychologically educated person to be sucked in by a psychopath. They are so good at what they do.
Thanks for sharing your story. Just stay on the healing path about your recovery from this P-event in your life. It starts out in learning about them, but ends up in learning about us, why we let them in in spite of the RED FLAGS. We learn to honor ourselves and not be hooked into their games.
I think Rosa is right, I think you DO detect some violence in this man, and I think you are right, even the most benign of them can be violent when they are thwarted. I also think that no amount of warning you could do will make that woman believe you, she is in the FOG with him and can’t see where he is going. I do feel sorry for her, but she, like us all, must find her own way out of the FOG into reality. Some people never make it out. I am glad, though, that as tough as it has been that you did make it out of the fog, and are learning a valuable lesson for the future. For YOUR future! God bless.
Dear Heather,
Violet is good pseudonym! I know it is hard not to tell your story to M but trust us it is not worth it, it will most probably only cause you grief that you do not need! M may already know what L is like and for what ever reason is staying.
Aslo trust us if you sensed that he maybe violent, good chance you gut was giving you the correct messages.
My ex was never violent when we were dating! After we were married I noticed he had uncontrollable outbursts of rage but never physically hurt me but after a few years of marriage the violence started and he physically hurt me many times and the last time knocked me out whilst holding our baby.
I am not surprised you had not seen a violent side and if you sensed one that is enough. You cant go against your gut feelings just to check if they were right or not because you will usually find that your gut was right. That is why we were giving that most amazing sensory within ourselves, unfortunately the people that come unstuck in life are the ones like myself that ignored those feelings. You are doing exactly the right thing, No Contact, No Contact and keep it that way! You will soon find someone that doesn’t have to justify why he is living with another women! 🙂
Hi Rosa, OxDrover, and Dani S,
I think you’re right that he might have the capacity for violence, I though maybe I was overreacting but I know now that I have to trust my gut. I’m realizing that someone capable of emotional violence could easily be physically violent as well. I e-mailed a professor about whether I have any responsibility to tell M, and she said L most likely doesn’t see me as a threat, but if I did contact M and she left as a result, he might come after me. Yet another reason for No Contact. I also e-mailed my prof who worked with Dr. Robert Hare (Dr. Steve Porter) about this. He’s on vacation, so I’m awaiting a response at the end of the month.
I’m seeing more and more that M is fairly isolated. She has been with him since she was 18 or 19, she’s 29 now. She is not very worldly. She has contact with her (not well) parents and his family, and they share most of their friends. They worked together at the call center, now they both work from home. She doesn’t drive, or take public transit, I don’t think she even walks much because she is obese and isn’t well. Maybe that’s how he wants it.
L asked my friend to be in a threesome with them, saying that it was M’s idea, but was it, really? I have read about projection on this site, where the psychopath accuses others of things that the psychopath has actually done. L told me that M once woke him up and demanded sex, which I found strange. You don’t really hear about women doing that, and she is also depressed, usually that’s a sex drive killer. Maybe it was he who demanded sex. He was impulsive in that area, or he was with me, at least. He wanted to have sex with me in public places.
Again, thank you for all your insight. I am praying for M, and everyone affected by psychopaths.
Heather
HeatherA,
The psychopath’s thinking is totally twisted, that’s for sure, negatively affecting anyone who is closely involved with them.
Dear Heather,
Yes, they do project—and LIE. You tell when they are lying because their mouths are open. She is obviously his captive and he probably does like it that way. He may have said he wanted a “3-some” or that she did, but was probably getting her to agree to the 3-some, then MINUS the other one so it would just be the 2 of them.
One of the things about Ps is that they are “sexual” but there is No “bonding” with sex. It isn’t even about being straight or gay, or bi-sexual, it is just SEX with anyone/anything/anytime. It is an animal act, not an act of intimacy in any way. In fact, many animals have more intimacy with copulation than Ps do.
It is ALL about THEM and what they want, when they want it, how they want it. SUPPLY for them.
HeatherA, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the spath.
The interesting thing is that we assume that they “like” something about us and it’s such a scam. The only thing that the spath “likes” is the pursuit and conquering of another human being, whether it’s in a physical capacity or platonic relationship. There’s only one side of the spath story, and that’s THEIR side. All other truth is simply dismissed because the Spath World has only one resident, and that’s the spath. Their rules apply and can be altered without notice according to their wants.
Bless your heart, HeatherA. By sharing your experiences, others who haven’t yet figured it out may begin to see the truth of their situation. The poor girlfriend, M, probably feels beyond stuck, at this point – what a shame.
Brightest blessings to you!
I had the chance to meet his legal wife and was amazed at how alike we are in many ways, you could describe us to someone and the description would fit either individual who was presented. Talk about targeting!
The other thing that seemed remarkable is that not once, but twice, he was promised forever by women who loved him and had he put a portion of the effort into either relationship that he put into defiling them both, he’d have “had it all”.
And instead and because of his own stupidity, addictions, afflictions and disorders, he is in prison.
The sad story ahead is enough to choke a dragon but this is the reality of being unrecoverable. The reality of the disorder has its own HEll. And I am sorry to know that is what it is and that there is nothing I can or will do.
Because what is true is true.
I guess in a weird way, he got what he wanted but it is unfathomable because of the unfeeling and corrupted logic of the whole thing.
I think it must be compelling to want to feel what you hear others do and not be able to. I can imagine that drives a lot of weird behavior. But I bet he gets a lot of what he wants in the setting where he is – he doesn’t have much to do, or responsibility. He can lie all he wants because it doesn’t mean anything to anyone. And the rest? Well, we know what happens.
But I look at it now like the wake from a boat – when you look back toward the shore, it has all settled down and disappeared. The chapter is ended.
Its all about ME now. Hmm. Did I learn tht trick from the insult? Naah. It was there all along. He was just a blip….