Editor’s note: The following story was received from a reader whom we’ll call “Violet” about her experience with a long grift, not of money, but of intimacy.
I knew L when we worked together at a call centre as customer service representatives. He seemed nice, and he had lovely, expressive brown eyes and a gentle nature. I was losing weight at the time, and he asked for my help, so of course I gave him advice and tips. He began to lose weight, and he invited me over to his and his girlfriend, M’s, apartment for dinner and to show him some ‘exercise moves’ (now I think it was mostly an excuse to ogle me). He looked at me very intently, it wasn’t menacing, but I definitely felt like he wanted to do more than just watch me.
At work he would call me over sometimes and tell me that he thought of me as a ‘really good friend.’ I would thank him, but I thought it was a strange thing to say because we didn’t know each other very well. The call centre was a gossip mill, and someone had told me that L and his girlfriend were into threesomes. That’s not my thing, but I don’t judge, and I didn’t think much of it at the time. I also got in touch with an old friend that had known L and M at another call centre. She told me that L had asked her to be in a threesome. She politely declined, but the incident got him fired (he eventually told me this). Again, I didn’t think much about it, but I did think that it was a bit careless to ask a co-worker to have sex with you and your girlfriend, to say the least.
I left work to go back to school, and I would get e-mails from him every so often. I would send a polite reply. Last year, he and his girlfriend moved to my city so she could go to school, and L and I went out for dinner. It was at this time that I realized that he liked me as more than a friend, so I decided to find out what kind of relationship he had with M. He told me it was open, and that M said that he could do whatever he wanted as long as he never left her. That didn’t seem very open to me, but I figured it was an arrangement that worked for them.
Friends with benefits
He said he wanted a ‘friends with benefits’ relationship with me. But he would lay on the sweet talk really thick. He would say I was a beautiful white dove with eyes of light, that when he thought about me he didn’t want a cigarette, I was a copy of Eve, I was Aphrodite, I was even an angel. But we still didn’t know each other that well, and his compliments were too dime store romance novel for my taste, although they made me feel good about myself.
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I tried to get to know him better. I knew that his father had died, but he didn’t talk about him much, which I found odd, but I chalked it up to masculine reserve (we always find an excuse, don’t we?). He had wanted to be a minister, and had been in a Master’s program, but he gave me a vague answer about why he dropped out. I thought it was strange that someone who desired a religious vocation would be content drifting to various call centre jobs for the past ten years. He also never had any ideas for activities, I always had to make suggestions, and it seemed like he relied on other people for entertainment because he didn’t know how to entertain himself. It was as if he had no inner life.
He would also look at me with such (I thought at the time) longing it was unnerving, but now I think it was also a predatory gaze. At one point the sweet talk was too intense and I told him to tone it down. He seemed so sad after that, he said he was patient, but he said he was patient a lot, and that bothered me. He was always online and he messaged me constantly to see how I was doing. There were red flags waving at me, but I thought he was very sweet and attentive, and he seemed like he desperately needed a friend and some affection. Once I decided I could ignore his lack of ambition and it was only a friends with benefits relationship that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway, I let him know that I wanted to be intimate with him. That part was very nice (I’ve noticed that other writers on the site mention that the sex is often good). Our sexual relationship lasted for three months.
Open relationship?
L seemed to really like me, but he could only see me when M was away, he told me she was seeing her girlfriend on the side (she was bisexual, he said). If it was really open, I wondered, then why can he only see me when she’s somewhere else? The only time L spent the night with me was a weekend M was away. He spent one night at my house, and he didn’t call her, she thought he had died, he told me. The next night, I went to their apartment and L called her while I was there, but he didn’t mention that I was in the apartment with him. He wanted me to sleep with him in their bed.
By this time he had started complaining to me about M, and I was beginning to hate her (I never thought that way about her before, she seemed nice, but very depressed). But I couldn’t sleep in their bed, it seemed like too great a violation of their relationship, so I made an excuse and left. I think that he didn’t want to be alone when M was gone, and any warm body would do. Once we started having sex, L talked to me online less and less, sometimes just sending a ‘check-in’ e-mail. I felt like I was being used, that I was giving him something M couldn’t, because he told me they hadn’t had sex in a long time. That didn’t bother me much until I realized I wanted an actual boyfriend, and it couldn’t be him because he would never leave M, and we weren’t compatible anyway.
At this time I made plans to meet him but he couldn’t because he was in a tight financial spot, so I said we shouldn’t make plans until his money situation improved. (Also, he told me that his sisters gave him some money but had turned him down when he asked for more, he then asked me for $20-$30, which I thought was in bad taste so I said no, my refusal and his lack of money didn’t seem to bother him very much.) He e-mailed me back saying that he agreed we should wait until he had more money, but then he said I was the most important thing in his life and he didn’t want to lose me. At first, I was flattered, but then I really thought about what he said. How could I be the most important thing in his life when he barely talks to me and he’s living with another woman? It defied all logic. If I saw red flags before, I was hearing sirens now, too.
Break-up e-mail
After a lot of deliberation, I sent him an e-mail (we rarely spoke on the phone, which also bothered me, if he liked me so much, wouldn’t he want to talk to me more often?) telling him I wanted an actual boyfriend, I felt like I was being used, and that being with me would not fix the problems he has with M. I was harsh, but I told the truth. I had hoped he would apologize and we could go back to being friends, or at least end on good terms. A few hours later I get an e-mail from M, telling me that they had been together for over ten years (he never told me that), that she loves him (he told me that they were together mostly to split cost of living, and that he thought no one cared about him) and that our friends with benefits relationship never happened, because if it did ‘he would have told me.’
I was devastated. He had lied to me and to the woman he presumably loves and has been with for over a decade. I have tried to piece together what may have happened. From what M wrote, he probably read my e-mail, and he was afraid I would tell M what we did (I never would have told her, he made me think she was a bad person), he most likely told her I had a ‘crazy idea’ that we had had sex, and that I wanted them to break up. He probably made me sound delusional. Maybe he even suggested that she write me an e-mail to ‘set me straight.’ She ended her e-mail with ‘If you want a boyfriend, I suggest you find someone single.’ I never replied to her, but I did send him another e-mail that said I was removing him from my facebook profile and blocking his e-mail. I haven’t contacted him since, and he hasn’t tried to talk to me.
The girlfriend didn’t know
It was at this point that I realized that M had no idea that L had visited me many times at my house. She thinks we only went to dinner once or twice and went for a few walks. I also realized that I thought M was a horrible person based on what L told me. I once went to their apartment and while he was in another room taking a phone call, she showed me family pictures; it seemed like she really loves and cares about L and his family. L once told me he thought M and I were a lot alike. He cited our love for animals, but I think it was really because we’re both nice, decent girls with shaky self-esteem, and he thought he could use me for sex, and he uses M because she gives him some semblance of a normal family life, and does things like cook for him.
I don’t know how much he even liked me, I think he got off on the thrill of deceiving M, and he thought I would be a willing partner because I like to believe I’m a free thinker and being in an open relationship intrigued me. Although I was raw for about a week, and I wondered if he had lied to me about everything (did he really think I was beautiful?), talking to my friends about what happened has helped me a lot. My roommate has since told that me he never liked L, because when they spoke he thought L was subtly trying to bend him to his will, and he reminded him of his ex, who was abusive and had tried to kill him. It was then that I started thinking that L was a psychopath, and I found the Love Fraud website. I’m not sure if L is a total psychopath, but his ability to lie to his long-time girlfriend and using her to hurt me makes me think he has enough of those awful traits to be dangerous.
I realize that I loved L, but actually, I loved a fantasy; a sweet man caught in an open but troubled relationship he felt he couldn’t leave, and he made me feel like I was wonderful for showing him so much affection and understanding. I am getting over the illusion, but I worry about M, who is still trapped in his dreamland. Maybe she really is rotten, and maybe they deserve each other, but I can’t imagine what he’s done to her over the years. I believe he played the ‘wounded bird’ routine with me when it is really M who is abused in the relationship.
I worry he might try to hurt her, or someone else he gets involved with. I want to contact her to tell her my side of the story, but I know she will only think that I’m crazy, and if she questions him, he’ll twist my words around to his benefit. I’m trying hard to let that urge to contact her go. Unfortunately, she will have to figure it out for herself, because psychopaths are good liars, but they’re not that good. His mask will slip eventually. I don’t worry that he will contact me again, as other psychopathic exes on this site have done, because he knows that I can no longer be manipulated. I’m sure he has moved on and doesn’t even think about me.
Psychopathy
The funny/sad thing is that I have a degree in psychology, and I specialized in abnormal psychology. I’ve read a great deal of the literature on psychopathy, and one of my professors even worked with Dr. Robert Hare. I was fooled, and I feel foolish. Despite friends who know both L and I telling me it was a bad idea to go out with him, despite knowing he had hit on other girls, I went out with him anyway. L seemed so sincere, but the more I thought about the odd intensity of his words and actions, and how they didn’t match up, something told me it wasn’t right. I could never get those little red flags to stop waving in my head. But I think I had to figure that out for myself.
I consider myself lucky that I was the ‘Other Woman’ and not in M’s position; I couldn’t imagine ten years with him. I hope M finds peace and happiness, and as for L, I don’t think he will ever know what love feels like, because psychopaths are a different species. I don’t think they are completely human. Some people on this website describe them as ‘broken,’ but psychopaths were never functioning to begin with. They can’t change, but we can teach ourselves and others their tricks and avoid them as much as possible, and that’s empowering.
I’m sure that there are other psychopaths who are using the open relationship model to lure partners who could never be with a cheater. An open relationship is a perfect cover for a psychopath; because often, the secondary partner isn’t integrated into their lives like the primary partner is, and their family and friends often don’t know it’s open. L’s family didn’t know, and although I wanted to meet his family and friends and vice versa, I knew I couldn’t as the secondary partner. If I had, maybe I would have figured out something was wrong, sooner.
In hindsight, I should have never have taken L’s word that M was okay with an open relationship, I should have asked her directly (as awkward as that would have been), but I’m sure he would have made an excuse as to why she didn’t want to talk about it. I came out of the ‘relationship’ with L relatively unscathed, and what I have taken away from my experience is: don’t feel bad for trusting people every once in a while. We’ve all trusted people before and it turned out well, and it will again. I’m not jaded, but I’m definitely wiser. I think these lyrics sum up my experience best:
I’m just another john you gypped
another sucker stiffed
A walk on role in the script
to your long, long grift
The love that had me in your grip
was just a long, long grift
“Long Grift,” from Hedwig and the Angry Inch
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Lovefraud originally posted this story on July 10, 2010.
Dear Heather,
I’m glad you are starting to get it about him, but I do recommend that you keep on READING here and learning more about psychopaths. If you don’t want to post, that is fine, but please do keep on edeucating yourself because there is a great deal to learn, so that you won’t wind back here as another victim.
Backk when I was your age, I thought I had it figured out, felt safe again, and because I didn’t really have enough figured out, I ended up being RE-victimized——over and over, each time more painful. I am only now getting enough of it through my head I’ll be much harder to fool this time on. Good luck.
Heather A,
I see some of myself in you. In the beginning of my healing process, I focused on “helping” and “being concerned” about others only to realize that I was taking on the martyr role. This is not to say that I should not concern myself with others, but I can’t and shouldn’t put others ahead of my own recovery. I would say, it feels strange just to read it, but “I’m stronger than them and can take all the pain and they may not be able to.” I was playing the sacrificial lamb and it was a role I hung on to for dear life. I was prepped this way taking on all the pain for my family and my family secrets as I grew older. But truthfully, this type of mentality only got me into the role of a lifetime: A professional victim.
As a professional victim, I lived EXPECTING the boogey man, so that’s exactly what I got. I lived expecting to be on the wrong side of tortuous relationships. I romanticized overcoming these difficulties through sheer will power. And in the end, I would have saved the world because I was strong enough to withstand even the most vehement opposition. And people would love me and then I would be rescued by prince charming. I was so focused outside of myself, I had nothing within myself for myself. I led a shelf of a life up until now.
Worrying about others, deflects the responsibility you have to solve YOUR OWN problems and to take care of YOU!! Focusing on others relieves us from having to dig deep down and rid ourselves of the negative narratives that undercut our lives.
I wish you the best!! Just know, it’s not about M or anyone. It’s about you. Be the best you can be for you first! And then the others will have the full benefit of a truly centered and whole person, not the tidbits that we can ill afford to share from our withered, hollow life.
TBH:)x I just saw your post:) Thankyou:)x I just got paid today, the first proper paycheck from a proper job in a loooong time! So, once I have paid off some of this financial mess that keeps me up at night, I will find and treat myself to those books!:)x
To Henry (from another thread) – I hope you are feeling better this morning.x I totally get what you are saying about feeling isolated, and a little dependant on cyber support… much as I love it I want to be back to something more centred and real too… and the anti- depressants actually made me suicidle (sp?) aswell as worried about it showing up on job Occy health reports…. Hope today is brighter for you:)x
OxDrover;
I think my cardiac surgery may have exacerbated my heat-related depression issues. For long I have suffered from dysthymia, which as you noted eventually became full-blown depression.
I am on a low does of EMSAM, which is transdermal selegeline — heavy stuff, but it works. The only problem is that it exacerbates the insomnia I experience this time of year.
Fortunately, but accepting my condition and taking a one-day at a time approach, I now feel much better. Staying cools helps a lot and I just lowered my med dose a bit in hopes I will sleep better.
This has been a difficult month though, and since so much of my life is not in order at times I felt pretty bad. Thankfully, I did realize all is not lost, lol!
However, I must admit to doing something stupid during the past week. Since I was home, I did a lot of Internet browsing, including some dating sites.
Of course I find another profile of Jamie’s, this one a bit more explicitly sex-seeking. And guess what, Googling that name revealed another profile of his on a bareback sex website.
I don’t know if he is dumb or calculating. Its also pretty clear that from this particular profile his preference is to young guys, as I always, suspected.
I also did something stupid and accidentally left a trail that might make him think I was “stalking,” which in fact I probably was.
Good news, I am mad at myself, not only for breaking my “no contact” vow, but I am also actually embarrassed to have gotten hooked on somebody so shallow.
My advice to all is that no matter how bad your mood, don’t do something stupid like I did. Once your mood gets better, you really do see things in a different light.
Blue_eyes {{{hugs}}} We’re ALL human – we ALL have checked up on the status of the spaths in our lives, whether we admit it or not.
Forgive yourself, and get back to the business of healing your body and mind.
Brightest blessings!!!
“Rosa says:
I wonder what Jamie’s attitude toward your relationship would have been like if he had NOT been HIV+.
I wonder if he would have still been so introverted.
I wonder how much of his behavior towards you was actually Jamie, and how much was the HIV issue holding him back.
But, if Jamie is a socio, then I guess it’s all a lie, right?
I’m sure you have gone over these things in your own mind a million times.
Jamie is a very interesting case, for sure.”
Rosa;
Sorry, I think I missed aswering you. Been a rough month.
I think Jamie’s introversion is innate and had little to do with being HIV+, just as he was sociopathic before becoming HIV+.
For a long time, I felt that the HIV issue was why he was not able to “connect.” I was hurt by his lack of trust in me, especially given all the trust I placed in him. I thought that my being upfront about my own very real HIV concern is what drove him away, that he was embarrassed by his “secret” when I was being so open about HIV when I was facing the possibility of being HIV+.
However, the only thing that explains this truly bizarre story is that he is a sociopath and incapable of a true connection. As such, I don’t really know who he is or what he wanted. All I know is that for a period of time I caught his fancy but did not hold it for long.
Buttons;
Thanks. I just wish I wasn’t so stupid to have left a trail. Let’s him think I am the crazy one…
I promise no more of this, especially now that i am feeling better.
Dear Blue_eyes,
Yep, you did something stooooopid! And it is actually a “breaking NC” thing, and also even looking at “dating site” which ought to read HOOK UP WITH PSYCHOPATHS FOR SEX sites, because that is basically what they are and it is the odd person who is NOT that kind of hook-up creep.
Cardiac surgery and depression go along together, not sure if one causes the other or they just go together, but is definnitely a trend. There have been some studies about effects of the surgery, as there seems to be an increase AFTER surgery in irritability in those patients, and irritability is one of the signs of depression.
Insomnia is also another problem with depression, or sleepinjg too much, depression does cause sleep problems for sure. I fight them all the time. Sleep no enough one night and too much the next, also I have sleep apnea which doesn’t help either. Plus, just the things of as we age we 1) don’t sleep as deeply as younger persons do 2) normally awake more at night than younger persons do 3) don’t need as much sleep as younger persons do etc. so there are definitely CHANGES in our sleep patterns as we age and go through various stages of maturation and aging. Our expectations of our sleep patters should change as well. We should no longer EXPECT to fall assleep instantly at 10:30 p.m. and sleep like a rock til the alarm goes off at 6:30 a.m. it is NOT going to happen but we get frustrated if it doesn’t. So I am trying to ADJUST to my new sleep patterns, just as I am trying to adjust to my new level of physcial strength (or lack there of).
We also have circadian rhythms as well, ande I always tended to be stay up late–sleep late. So day shift was not my favorite time to work, I liked 3-11q shift or 11-7 shift and many times worked those hoursx which felt “natural to me.”
One of my kids (C) was born with go to sleep by dark, awake by dawn metabolism, always h as been that way, mjy other two are stay up late and sleep late “natural rhythms” so there is also some In-born patterns there as well.
When all is in sync it is easier to “force” yourself to take on a pattern that is not “normal” for you, than it is when things are in chaos anyway. The problems come when a job or something else gets in the way and you have to force yourself to conform to the cultural and societal time frames of work-a-day world.
Living alone is also difficfult for some people, especially if you are not working or going out and socializing with others on a regular basis. Humans did not develop and evolve living “alone” in a cave by themselves, but in small Groups and I think that living in a small group has much to be said for it over living alone. I know that having a “roommate” does wonders for my own mental health.
I encourage you, Blue eyes, to get out and socialize more, not looking for a sexual partner, but just for companinonship and friendship and social exchange. Even if it is just going and sitting on a park bench and watchingn others, get more connected to the human race!
Don’t feel too bad, Blue Eyes, I saw my S/P today… He works at the local grocery store, M-F. It’s the only one for 25 miles, and I don’t have the time, money, or inclination to drive 35-40 minutes (mountain roads) to pick up a few things, or even do the weekly shopping.
I’m being stubborn here, but I’ll be damned if I’m changing MY lifestyle to suit HIM. I’ve been here for 20 years, and I LIVE in this town. He lives in the other town, 25 miles away. Let HIM get a new job.
Oxy- you are right on when you say, “Humans did not develop and evolve living “alone” in a cave by themselves.” That is what I have been doing for 6 loooong years. That’s why I was so ripe for the S/P’s picking. Can you say LONELY??? I do see neighbors when I walk my dog twice a day, but everyone leaves here in the winter, and it gets REALLY LONELY then!
I think I’ll go find Hens and tell him to get his jammies and fuzzy slippers on and make some hot chocolate. I’m going to Oklahomofrigginphobia so I can put my head on his shoulder and we can commiserate.
Sagee, if my son D gets another place to live I’ll get a roommate, I really don’t like living alone all the time. I don’t want to be boxed into a 6 x 10 ft cell, but I’ve got lots of room here and don’t like rattling around like a bb in a box car, the dog and cat help but being isolated is okay in some ways in that first of all I don’t have to put up with people I don’t like in close proximity but do want company from time to time.
Son D and I give each other room but yet we are neither of us Isolated ALONE.
Too close is not good, and people don’t do well (like prison) but too isolated isn’t good either (solitary confinement). Somewhere in the middle.