Editor’s note: The following story was received from a reader whom we’ll call “Violet” about her experience with a long grift, not of money, but of intimacy.
I knew L when we worked together at a call centre as customer service representatives. He seemed nice, and he had lovely, expressive brown eyes and a gentle nature. I was losing weight at the time, and he asked for my help, so of course I gave him advice and tips. He began to lose weight, and he invited me over to his and his girlfriend, M’s, apartment for dinner and to show him some ‘exercise moves’ (now I think it was mostly an excuse to ogle me). He looked at me very intently, it wasn’t menacing, but I definitely felt like he wanted to do more than just watch me.
At work he would call me over sometimes and tell me that he thought of me as a ‘really good friend.’ I would thank him, but I thought it was a strange thing to say because we didn’t know each other very well. The call centre was a gossip mill, and someone had told me that L and his girlfriend were into threesomes. That’s not my thing, but I don’t judge, and I didn’t think much of it at the time. I also got in touch with an old friend that had known L and M at another call centre. She told me that L had asked her to be in a threesome. She politely declined, but the incident got him fired (he eventually told me this). Again, I didn’t think much about it, but I did think that it was a bit careless to ask a co-worker to have sex with you and your girlfriend, to say the least.
I left work to go back to school, and I would get e-mails from him every so often. I would send a polite reply. Last year, he and his girlfriend moved to my city so she could go to school, and L and I went out for dinner. It was at this time that I realized that he liked me as more than a friend, so I decided to find out what kind of relationship he had with M. He told me it was open, and that M said that he could do whatever he wanted as long as he never left her. That didn’t seem very open to me, but I figured it was an arrangement that worked for them.
Friends with benefits
He said he wanted a ‘friends with benefits’ relationship with me. But he would lay on the sweet talk really thick. He would say I was a beautiful white dove with eyes of light, that when he thought about me he didn’t want a cigarette, I was a copy of Eve, I was Aphrodite, I was even an angel. But we still didn’t know each other that well, and his compliments were too dime store romance novel for my taste, although they made me feel good about myself.
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I tried to get to know him better. I knew that his father had died, but he didn’t talk about him much, which I found odd, but I chalked it up to masculine reserve (we always find an excuse, don’t we?). He had wanted to be a minister, and had been in a Master’s program, but he gave me a vague answer about why he dropped out. I thought it was strange that someone who desired a religious vocation would be content drifting to various call centre jobs for the past ten years. He also never had any ideas for activities, I always had to make suggestions, and it seemed like he relied on other people for entertainment because he didn’t know how to entertain himself. It was as if he had no inner life.
He would also look at me with such (I thought at the time) longing it was unnerving, but now I think it was also a predatory gaze. At one point the sweet talk was too intense and I told him to tone it down. He seemed so sad after that, he said he was patient, but he said he was patient a lot, and that bothered me. He was always online and he messaged me constantly to see how I was doing. There were red flags waving at me, but I thought he was very sweet and attentive, and he seemed like he desperately needed a friend and some affection. Once I decided I could ignore his lack of ambition and it was only a friends with benefits relationship that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway, I let him know that I wanted to be intimate with him. That part was very nice (I’ve noticed that other writers on the site mention that the sex is often good). Our sexual relationship lasted for three months.
Open relationship?
L seemed to really like me, but he could only see me when M was away, he told me she was seeing her girlfriend on the side (she was bisexual, he said). If it was really open, I wondered, then why can he only see me when she’s somewhere else? The only time L spent the night with me was a weekend M was away. He spent one night at my house, and he didn’t call her, she thought he had died, he told me. The next night, I went to their apartment and L called her while I was there, but he didn’t mention that I was in the apartment with him. He wanted me to sleep with him in their bed.
By this time he had started complaining to me about M, and I was beginning to hate her (I never thought that way about her before, she seemed nice, but very depressed). But I couldn’t sleep in their bed, it seemed like too great a violation of their relationship, so I made an excuse and left. I think that he didn’t want to be alone when M was gone, and any warm body would do. Once we started having sex, L talked to me online less and less, sometimes just sending a ‘check-in’ e-mail. I felt like I was being used, that I was giving him something M couldn’t, because he told me they hadn’t had sex in a long time. That didn’t bother me much until I realized I wanted an actual boyfriend, and it couldn’t be him because he would never leave M, and we weren’t compatible anyway.
At this time I made plans to meet him but he couldn’t because he was in a tight financial spot, so I said we shouldn’t make plans until his money situation improved. (Also, he told me that his sisters gave him some money but had turned him down when he asked for more, he then asked me for $20-$30, which I thought was in bad taste so I said no, my refusal and his lack of money didn’t seem to bother him very much.) He e-mailed me back saying that he agreed we should wait until he had more money, but then he said I was the most important thing in his life and he didn’t want to lose me. At first, I was flattered, but then I really thought about what he said. How could I be the most important thing in his life when he barely talks to me and he’s living with another woman? It defied all logic. If I saw red flags before, I was hearing sirens now, too.
Break-up e-mail
After a lot of deliberation, I sent him an e-mail (we rarely spoke on the phone, which also bothered me, if he liked me so much, wouldn’t he want to talk to me more often?) telling him I wanted an actual boyfriend, I felt like I was being used, and that being with me would not fix the problems he has with M. I was harsh, but I told the truth. I had hoped he would apologize and we could go back to being friends, or at least end on good terms. A few hours later I get an e-mail from M, telling me that they had been together for over ten years (he never told me that), that she loves him (he told me that they were together mostly to split cost of living, and that he thought no one cared about him) and that our friends with benefits relationship never happened, because if it did ‘he would have told me.’
I was devastated. He had lied to me and to the woman he presumably loves and has been with for over a decade. I have tried to piece together what may have happened. From what M wrote, he probably read my e-mail, and he was afraid I would tell M what we did (I never would have told her, he made me think she was a bad person), he most likely told her I had a ‘crazy idea’ that we had had sex, and that I wanted them to break up. He probably made me sound delusional. Maybe he even suggested that she write me an e-mail to ‘set me straight.’ She ended her e-mail with ‘If you want a boyfriend, I suggest you find someone single.’ I never replied to her, but I did send him another e-mail that said I was removing him from my facebook profile and blocking his e-mail. I haven’t contacted him since, and he hasn’t tried to talk to me.
The girlfriend didn’t know
It was at this point that I realized that M had no idea that L had visited me many times at my house. She thinks we only went to dinner once or twice and went for a few walks. I also realized that I thought M was a horrible person based on what L told me. I once went to their apartment and while he was in another room taking a phone call, she showed me family pictures; it seemed like she really loves and cares about L and his family. L once told me he thought M and I were a lot alike. He cited our love for animals, but I think it was really because we’re both nice, decent girls with shaky self-esteem, and he thought he could use me for sex, and he uses M because she gives him some semblance of a normal family life, and does things like cook for him.
I don’t know how much he even liked me, I think he got off on the thrill of deceiving M, and he thought I would be a willing partner because I like to believe I’m a free thinker and being in an open relationship intrigued me. Although I was raw for about a week, and I wondered if he had lied to me about everything (did he really think I was beautiful?), talking to my friends about what happened has helped me a lot. My roommate has since told that me he never liked L, because when they spoke he thought L was subtly trying to bend him to his will, and he reminded him of his ex, who was abusive and had tried to kill him. It was then that I started thinking that L was a psychopath, and I found the Love Fraud website. I’m not sure if L is a total psychopath, but his ability to lie to his long-time girlfriend and using her to hurt me makes me think he has enough of those awful traits to be dangerous.
I realize that I loved L, but actually, I loved a fantasy; a sweet man caught in an open but troubled relationship he felt he couldn’t leave, and he made me feel like I was wonderful for showing him so much affection and understanding. I am getting over the illusion, but I worry about M, who is still trapped in his dreamland. Maybe she really is rotten, and maybe they deserve each other, but I can’t imagine what he’s done to her over the years. I believe he played the ‘wounded bird’ routine with me when it is really M who is abused in the relationship.
I worry he might try to hurt her, or someone else he gets involved with. I want to contact her to tell her my side of the story, but I know she will only think that I’m crazy, and if she questions him, he’ll twist my words around to his benefit. I’m trying hard to let that urge to contact her go. Unfortunately, she will have to figure it out for herself, because psychopaths are good liars, but they’re not that good. His mask will slip eventually. I don’t worry that he will contact me again, as other psychopathic exes on this site have done, because he knows that I can no longer be manipulated. I’m sure he has moved on and doesn’t even think about me.
Psychopathy
The funny/sad thing is that I have a degree in psychology, and I specialized in abnormal psychology. I’ve read a great deal of the literature on psychopathy, and one of my professors even worked with Dr. Robert Hare. I was fooled, and I feel foolish. Despite friends who know both L and I telling me it was a bad idea to go out with him, despite knowing he had hit on other girls, I went out with him anyway. L seemed so sincere, but the more I thought about the odd intensity of his words and actions, and how they didn’t match up, something told me it wasn’t right. I could never get those little red flags to stop waving in my head. But I think I had to figure that out for myself.
I consider myself lucky that I was the ‘Other Woman’ and not in M’s position; I couldn’t imagine ten years with him. I hope M finds peace and happiness, and as for L, I don’t think he will ever know what love feels like, because psychopaths are a different species. I don’t think they are completely human. Some people on this website describe them as ‘broken,’ but psychopaths were never functioning to begin with. They can’t change, but we can teach ourselves and others their tricks and avoid them as much as possible, and that’s empowering.
I’m sure that there are other psychopaths who are using the open relationship model to lure partners who could never be with a cheater. An open relationship is a perfect cover for a psychopath; because often, the secondary partner isn’t integrated into their lives like the primary partner is, and their family and friends often don’t know it’s open. L’s family didn’t know, and although I wanted to meet his family and friends and vice versa, I knew I couldn’t as the secondary partner. If I had, maybe I would have figured out something was wrong, sooner.
In hindsight, I should have never have taken L’s word that M was okay with an open relationship, I should have asked her directly (as awkward as that would have been), but I’m sure he would have made an excuse as to why she didn’t want to talk about it. I came out of the ‘relationship’ with L relatively unscathed, and what I have taken away from my experience is: don’t feel bad for trusting people every once in a while. We’ve all trusted people before and it turned out well, and it will again. I’m not jaded, but I’m definitely wiser. I think these lyrics sum up my experience best:
I’m just another john you gypped
another sucker stiffed
A walk on role in the script
to your long, long grift
The love that had me in your grip
was just a long, long grift
“Long Grift,” from Hedwig and the Angry Inch
Learn more: Survivor’s guide to healthy people and healthy relationships
Lovefraud originally posted this story on July 10, 2010.
FightAnotherDay……bless your heart. I agree 100% that NO CONTACT is the only way to escape the web of deciet with a spath.
Mediation? Nah…….it just gives the spath a stage to act on. “See what a reasonable person I am?”
{{Hugs}}
Heather you are going through a normal phase where you want a diagnosis of WHAT SPECIFIC toxin he has…..questioning whether4 a diagnosis of P is REAL or VALID….anhd the thing is, it doesn’t matter in the end.
I shot a dear with a gun. Does it matter if it was a Mossberg shot gun, 12 g or 20g? Or how about a Smith and Wesson .45 pistol? It is still a deer and it is still dead. Come on we’ll have venison for supper.
But sometimes we get caught up in “diagnosis” and it r4eally doesn’t matter if he is a level 1 P, or a level 11 P or a level 111 P, he is not someone you want to be around. He is toxic.
Getting as far away them as you can and NC is the best way to9 handle them. Having kids with them is a definite down side to it unless they can either be4 bribed to leave the kid alone, or they don’t care about the kid, so in that case “leave us alone and you can quit paying child support!”
Some of them go for that. If you’re luckiy.
Received this message from spath so-called husband: Hope all is well with you and the family. I would have responded when you first sent the email, but I was working on some other things financially, and I still am(smile). You said you have a attorney can you have him to call me or give me his info cuz I dont know anything but the 265.00 to get started. would like to know total cost and we can go frm there and hopefully it will be done by the end of this month. May God bless you with a wonderful day!
What do you see in this ltr? This was in response to a ltr I had sent him 30 days prior with no response regarding our divorce. I clearly laid out everything in my original ltr and found this just a ploy to try to get me to contact him because other than the email I sent there has been NO CONTACT. I blocked his number from all my phones. I blocked him on social networking sites, I went through great lengths for a full separation. And I did all of this only because the writers here shared their experiences. Since he sent that, I have totally ignored him and I read somewhere that, that is the greatest narcissistic injury you could cause: NO CONTACT.
Heather, you give him legitimacy in his belief that he is Number #1 as long as you continue to focus on him. How does looking into him help you? OxDrover is so correct. Leave all of the “extra” work (i.e., background searches, etc.) alone as it will only draw you deeper into an abyss. And you will not come out any wiser. I was in the relationship for a short time and it was hellish to say the least. I went through the same curiosity as you did. I have a Master’s Degree in Behavioral Science so my situation although painful, was also fascinating on a professional level.
What I did was not so much focus on finding anymore “Aha!” moments by digging in his past, because I learned enough during that brief stint with the spath to write a book. What I did and am continuing to do is to study what I experienced through my feelings, through my actions and reactions and through his actions and reactions and then gather strength and greater insight by the stories of others. This has catapulted my recovery. The best way to find out about a spath is working from the outside of a realm where he has no control or influence. You can’t do that digging into his past.
Hi healingfast19,
You’re right, digging into his past won’t help me, it just confirms what I already know. I have asked a friend to tell me if she ever hears that L and M broke up, so I can apologize to his girlfriend, and maybe offer my support. But, it’s only been 1.5 months since I broke it off, perhaps in time that urge will fade, too. I should contextualize a little bit, though. I live in a small Canadian province, in a small city, but L and I are from the same rural area, we even went to the same high school, but he is 4 years older than me and I didn’t know him then.
The info about his past is coming mostly from old high school friends that I recently got back in touch with for unrelated reasons. I mention his name, and the creepy information comes forward. There have been strange happenings around this whole fiasco; I really think L came into my life to teach me a very valuable lesson: evil can look good sometimes. Even M, his girlfriend, unknowingly helped me enforce No Contact. She once showed me pictures of his family and hers. I was visiting my parents a few weeks ago and was waiting to take the bus back to the city. I saw an older couple waiting, too, and I knew who they were instantly from the pictures; M’s parents. L told me that M’s father sometimes came to the city for cancer treatment (one thing he didn’t lie about!). I knew that L would be there to pick him up, and he was. I was able to run into the station before he saw me (and I felt sick when I laid eyes on him). If she hadn’t shown me those photos, I would have walked right into him.
Also, I decided I should get tested for STIs, and I did, a few days ago. During the exam, the doctor found a cervical polyp (tmi!). L might have saved me, because I wasn’t due for a pap for two years. So, reuniting with old friends who knew he was creepy, the photos, the STI test, and living with a roommate who helped me realize L was most likely a psychopath, they have all helped me. I don’t think I’m a fatalist, but maybe this happened for a reason.
Thanks again, everyone,
Heather
Dear Heather,
I’m glad you are having the sexually transmitted infections tests. I’m a retired advance practice nurse and I am very concerned about anyone who has had unprotected sex of any kind, but especially with psychopaths, as they, first of all, LIE about everything, and secondly, they are so prone to have sex with as many people as they can, thus increasing the risk for diseases. Even using “safer” sexual practices does not guarentee that you have not been exposed to some infections.
Whether or not God or the Universe sent them into our lives to give us a lesson or not, we shouldn’t miss the opportunity to FIND a lesson in this experience with psychopaths. Learning about them, how to spot them, what they are, etc. is very important, but also learning about OURSELVES is also imnportant as well. I started out learning about them, but have ended up learning more about myself than I ever have about them.
Whatever we learn is never anything that is lost, it is always a benefit if we use it wisely! God bless!
Hi all,
A lot of people are helping me get through this, including you Love Fraud folks 🙂 Along with friends, music has always helped me get through the hard times. I wanted to list a few songs I’ve been listening to throughout this fiasco, and some choice lyrics:
Hedwig and the Angry Inch-The Long Grift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaFWlvq8FY
Look what you’ve done, you gigolo.
You know that I loved you, hon,
and I didn’t want to know
that your cool, seductive serenade
was a tool of your trade.
You gigolo-oh-oh
Rufus Wainwright- Go or Go Ahead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYb5vyBuD3E
Thank you for this bitter knowledge
Guardian angels who left me stranded
It was worth it, feeling abandoned
Makes one hardened but what has happened to love
You can’t be trusted with feathers so hollow
Your heaven’s inventions, steel eyed vampires of love
You see over me, I’ll never know
What you have shown to other eyes
Go or go ahead and surprise me
Say you’ve lead the way to a mirage
Wilco-Glad it’s Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQifocfyOA
I don’t want to kiss you again, can you believe it?
I don’t want to be your friend
I just want you out of my life until my life ends
I know you think I’m weak, I’ll tell you something
It’s better we don’t speak
I got nothing to say to you, anyway
Sade- Soldier of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvDaJaU5My4&feature=related
I’ve lost the use of my heart
But I’m still alive
Still looking for the life
The endless pool on the other side
I’m at the borderline of my faith,
I’m at the hinterland of my devotion
In the frontline of this battle of mine
But I’m still alive
I know that love will come
Turn it all around
HeatherA, it’s good to read you are coming along.
Stay strong. Keep your waters calm … and listen to everything and anything that soothes your soul.
Peace.
Hi Wini,
Everyday, I feel myself getting a little bit better. NO CONTACT all the way! I still worry about M, but not as much (actually, I’ve started to wonder if she is like him, but what are the odds?).
Over the past week, 20/20 and Dateline have featured stories of men and women murdering or trying to murder their spouses, and I think they were all psychopaths. They are everywhere! Since there is no cure, we really need to push for public awareness. We need to expose them! We need to get them out of our bedrooms, our boardrooms, our public offices. I can’t begin to think of all the financial, political, social, and personal problems they have caused. It seems like the PCL-R should be used as a screening tool for CEOs and politicians, anyone who could do serious damage. Anyway, my two cents!
HeatherA, healing from the devastation liars and manipulators create for our total destruction takes time. I’m glad to hear you making progress … and yes, absolutely, positively, NO CONTACT. Why bother contacting them? They’re just going to lie again!
When you see the programs featuring stories of husbands and wives, GFs/BFs being killed by their significant other, it not only chills you to your very core, but, you then realize the entirety of their perversion and put it into it’s proper perspective … that we were lucky not to meet that fate. Yes, it could have been us.
We are currently seeing in the news these last years the devastation of what evil people can and will do. Destruction.
Food for thought on this subject ….
Wicked men do not “hunger for God” (see Psalm 10:3-4)!
There is no spiritual emptiness to fill!
Scripture never speaks of any such “spiritual void” or “emptiness.”
Instead, it says that, “they are filled with all unrighteousness” (Romans 1:29), and their hearts “are full of evil” (Ecclesiastes 9:3). Ephesians 2:2 says of those who do not know Christ that “the prince of the power of the air” is the spirit who “now works in the sons of disobedience.”
In other words, an evil spirit works in those who are without Christ. There is no emptiness. There is a wicked spirit there doing his evil work.
God is a God of love and mercy, but He is also a God of wrath.
The reason evil, anti-social personalities don’t understand this and why He allows evil to happen is because they do NOT believe the Bible.
Romans 1:18 gives the reason “evil happens”.
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.” (Romans 1:18).
God is angry (Psalm 7:11) and He kills the ungodly (Deuteronomy 32:39-41; 1 Samuel 2:6; Luke 12:4-5), as Luke 13:1-3 exemplifies.
There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
In Luke 13:1-3, God killed those people (Deuteronomy 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:6; Isaiah 45:7; Lamentations 3:37-38; Amos 3:6; Romans 1:18), and Christ warns those still living, “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
Now seriously, do you think any of our Spaths will humble themselves in order to repent? NO! Will they perish? YES!
Peace.
P.S. one of my co-workers who also had a lawsuit against our managers said to the judge overseeing her case … “yank those managers the hell out of there”.
Before our lawsuits were over, hundreds of evil managers and some of their cronies no longer had jobs.
God is good.
Wini,
This may sound odd, but have you ever heard of a spath being healed (divine healing) of this disorder?
Today has been another day, thinking about all the blankety-blank stuff that has gone down in my life, not having the stamina to deal with it all. I have mixed feelings about his family members (the one’s who knew things about him pre-marriage), being able to tell me things before I married him, then I could have made an informed decision, but they didn’t give me that option. I have paid a huge price having had him in my life – just feeling weary, wondering how to pay debts that are owed. The h-spath is a coward, creating chaos, but leaving it to you to try and figure out how to solve problems. He just scurries off, not being willing to sit and discuss anything. I’m rambling, voicing what I experience with the h-spath.