Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following letter from the reader who posts as “SocioSibs.” She asks, “what would you do?”
What if you have reason to believe that someone you know is a serious danger to others? You’ve known this person almost all your life, grew up together in the same family.
Until recently, this person had a huge menagerie of animals housed on an acre of land, including a horse, 13 dogs, 5 cats, turkeys & peacocks and possibly a parrot or 2. Yet when she abandoned the property, all but 2 dogs she took with her disappeared in a span of just weeks.
Subsequent to this person’s latest move (one of 25 or so over a half-century), you found a couple of canine carcasses hidden behind a barn and miscellaneous skeletal remains strewn about the former property, which conjured a memory of walking in on this person during very early puberty as she was holding a live wild bird over the bathroom sink with a knife to decapitate it, exclaiming upon the surprise encounter that she couldn’t cure it so was putting the poor creature out of its misery.
Then you locate childhood friends and others from this person’s past, learning that one witnessed her strangling or drowning numerous animals, with that same explanation, since age 12. Another witness tells of repeated torture of animals, including punching & kicking her horse (one of 2 that a boyfriend bought her), savagely beating her dog daily, and crushing the skulls of kittens between her fingers and tossing them out of her car onto the ground, all during her mid-teen years.
You recall visions of her often hitting & kicking family pets, to the horror and pain of her parent and sibling, who tried but never could completely curtail it. And then you find a multitude of accounts from witnesses and public records of this person accusing multiple people of stalking her from age 13 through recent years, along with reports this person has made of others poisoning her plants & pets, some of whom died as a result, which stirs memories of childhood pets that died mysteriously, healthy pets whom this person hypothesized at the time must have been poisoned by neighbors or stalkers.
An ex-spouse reports that when divorce became imminent she cooked him a “special” meal, after which he became quite ill and came down with a severe rash all over his body, never experienced before or since. Concurrently this person was attempting to entice a former lover to relocate half-way across the country, unbeknownst to the would-be-again lover that this person was also accusing him of stalking and threatening to kill her due to his mad obsession.
This person has a now-young-adult offspring who has been plagued by mysterious illnesses since infancy, and ended up in hospital emergency rooms more often than most people who live to ripe old ages. One disease that was actually diagnosed was touted to some as the first case in the state, but she may have had access to the bacteria while a biological science student at a major university in the early 90s (for which someone else paid and from which she did not graduate), prior to the meticulous tracking these days of contagious pathogens. And you hear that her ex-spouse independently came to the same conclusion as you as to how your niece contracted it.
You recollect a tale she told of a male roommate brandishing a knife with the person’s then 10-year-old child present, and another when the child was 12 and sexually molested by someone’s 15-year-old son right in the next room.
You are aware of at least 2 occasions when Child Protective Services were called on this person, but in each case she wriggled out of charges. Then, when you contact CPS yourself to inquire, the intake worker on the other end can’t tell you what, if any, reports there may be that have not resulted in convictions. However, seeing it for himself on the computer screen, he urges you to call protective services in the state where this person’s child now resides, even asking you to hold on while he looks up the phone number for you and stresses that you speak with a supervisor there if you don’t get results during the initial call.
Indeed, other authorities whom you contact say they can’t do anything now that this person is no longer within their jurisdiction, while provoking guilt for your not having done something about her sooner. Some suggest you at least try to do something where she is now, recommending entities to contact, even if it’s too little too late.
This person has vilified anyone who could threaten to expose her, portrays herself as a persecuted, sweet, innocent victim of her targeted victims, has been abusing & killing animals since childhood but has come to be known as an “animal whisperer.” You have evidence that she’s been poisoning animals and possibly humans for years, has been lying & stealing and casting blame on others since early childhood, with a criminal record for larceny since at least turning 18 (juvenile records are sealed), and a felony arson record.
Then you find out that this person has fled to another state, welcomed with open arms by family into a home where a young relative resides, knowing that they implicitly trust and feel very sorry for her, for “all she’s been through.”
What if you, too, have defended, protected, and advocated for this person all through the years, because you, too, have been blinded by the bizarre stories she fabricates and sympathy she so ably elicits? And you staunchly held onto the lifelong belief that every person has a heart. But now you can no longer ignore that truly innocent people actually are, and always have been, in danger.
What if this person, knowing you could blow her cover, preemptively already got deep into the heads of the rest of your family and convinced them that you are crazy and evil and out to get her, even though there’s not a shred of substantiation of her claims, but she’s mastered the art of manipulation and has skillfully succeeded in obliterating your credibility & character?
What if you knew all this and so much more, and this person were still on the loose seriously harming others and getting away with it, invited and naively trusted to be alone around those most vulnerable, such as children and animals? What if, having been the most consistently present over this person’s lifetime, with nobody else recognizing the danger or mustering the courage or possessing comprehensive information, you find you’re probably the best candidate to piece together the puzzle so that others might see the whole picture, thereby alerting & enabling them to protect themselves, too? Would you speak up?
Now add that what got your investigative ball rolling was the death of the parent that resulted in the threat of losing your home. Because of a fluke when the parent helped save the sibling from losing her home several years ago as aftermath of a divorce, the deed ended up in the parent’s name, so that now both siblings own it 50-50 because there was no will. The sibling can file a legal claim by which she may possibly regain title to her house, but with the family turned against her, they will likely help this person fight the sibling in court, viewing this person as the tragic victim of a greedy sibling.
Suppose this person attempted to get a sizeable advance of her presumed inheritance, prior to creditors being paid, and prior to the estate administrator discovering that she destroyed what she had been deceiving the family as being the largest asset — the house she lived in that the parent bought her and made all the monthly mortgage payments on (in addition to paying most or all her other bills, even restitution & probation fees), so that now it’s worth less than the remaining note due on it. Third consecutive house that she irreparably demolished—the first being the one she burned down; as opposed to the sibling who originally purchased her own house, for the most part paid her own mortgage, whose house appreciated in value, and who certainly never caused destruction to anyone’s property.
Then it turned out that there will be no inheritance because this person depleted or destroyed all the parent’s financial resources already. The only asset left of any value is the sibling’s house (a small cottage with 50K equity in a low-middle income subdivision, compared to her 4-bedroom 2 bath on an acre that she ruined), while outstanding debts leave the entire estate at a deficit that can force a sale by creditors, debts that can be traced back primarily to this person. Despite these irrefutable facts, this person has convinced the family that the sibling is just trying to take everything, even though there is nothing to take. All the sibling wanted was to keep her own house that she bought herself 2 decades ago and has been inhabiting, maintaining & improving, and caring for ever since.
This all started as a pursuit of the sibling to rightfully keep her home, make it a fair fight, sibling vs. sibling, without the whole family against the one sibling. Now that so much devastating new evidence has since come to light, it has grown into a pursuit to enlighten family members so that they can protect themselves, including the sibling’s own life and that of her child, from this person.
At least one family member admonished that, under the circumstances, that makes you, the sibling, the worst candidate to speak up, condemnable for even considering it, no matter how much you’ve discovered that’s led you to acknowledge that this person is very dangerous and that people — including you and your child — are in harm’s way, because it only makes you appear to have a less than noble motive.
What, if anything, would you do?
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Oct. 27, 2010.
Good Mornin!!!
UGH!! What a nightmare of a night! My chee wow wow is in heat and my poor Hercules was just going NUTS. Crying all night LONG.
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
HOw are you all? Star I just sent a request to Donna as well!
Kim, that’s a great story about the guy on a motorcycle. I’ve only seen that ONE time in my life, but wouldn’t it just be cool? I know what you mean about living alone and it doesn’t matter where and just doing your own thing…..I’m almost there again, as my youngest will (hopefully) graduate from high school year after next!
Time sure flies!
Valley! I think you’re doing TREMENDOUS for NC only 7 weeks! I would have caved for sure! NICE JOB! Keep up the good work, you sound resolved and good too!
LL
Mornin’ Hens.
I wanted to comment on your intuitive gut instinct to get away from the guy at the casino. Good job, Hen’s.
Is it Gavin Debecker who wrote, The Gift of Fear? He wrote in that book that we humans are the only species of animal that doesn’t ALWAYS honor their fear instinct. If an animal senses danger, it immeadiatly goes into fight or flight made. But we humans often use reason to dispell fear.
I find myself sometimes talking myself out of a gut instinct because I want to be polite and not offend….but, in reality that could get me killed, so I fight against it.
Anyway, just wanted to give ya an atta boy.
You know, this is interesting. I just posted on another thread that self-centered fear activates charictar defects, and it has to be replaced with faith.
Well isn’t that a paradox, because I believe that, but I also believe in trusting our guts, and that we should honor fear.
I guess some fear is a gift and healthy, and some fear is debilitating and negative.
What do ya’ll think?
Kimmy,
I think if you’re trusting your gut, the “natural” fear reaction, its a good thing. A positive thing. Debilitating and negative is what happens when we don’t listen to the positive fear….the healthy fear…..
LL
Kim as in fear of rejection? fear of making an ass out myself? fear of failure? fear of lot’s of things yes yes yes, but save my ass fear is good fear…..
Amen, Hens.
hens, yes, i think you are very perceptive/smart!!
Your discussion of fear is interesting guys.
There are different kinds of fears, like being out in the woods and seeing a bear is a FEAR…or like Henry, being in a parking lot and getting a “gut feeling” fear about that man approaching not being trustworthy.
“Seeing a bear” Fear can paralyze us, as we literally FREEZE. I had that happen to me a couple of times in Africa where I got SCARED CHEETLESS and I FROZE. I’ve seen animals do this as well. Deer are great examples of that FREEZEing. Since MOVEMENT is more easily seen than most objects out in the woods, FREEZING has a beneficial effect in making us not so easily seen. Have you ever watched a rabbit when it realizes you are there? The asses do it as well.
The time we spend frozen can also be a time in which we assess the situation to see which direction you need to run to get away from the threat.
In some situations though, FREEZING is the last thing you need to do. The man who wrecked the plane that killed my husband and burned the plane FROZE when he became anxious and his freezing was what caused the PROBLEM…if my husband had not been able to OVERCOME his own fears and ACT instantly, everyone would have died. As it was, he couldn’t save the plane from crashing though.
Actually, Henry’s emotion in the casino parking lot could be termed more ANXIETY rather than FEAR. If the man had come at him with say a gun< and Henry saw it and became afraid it would have been FEAR. But since the man didn't actually attack henry or show a weapon, Henry's FEELING WAS ANXIETY, he became ANXIOUS about something he couldn't put his finger on. That ANXIETY about being safe made him retreat. (And probably saved his life)
There was SOMETHING about that man that created that feeling of anxiousness in Henry—but he ACTED ON IT.
Ted Bundy used pretending to be handicapped or wounded to distract women from the anxiety created when a stranger approaches us. The guy in the casino used a different kind of "wound" and claim of needing "help"—because our brain actually rewards us for "helping" others with a chemical ATTA BOY, we tend to be less anxious about strangers if we are approached to help them.
One of our local news paper guys wrote an article week before last about how uncomfortable it makes him to have a pan handler homeless person ask for money and how he never gives them money (he got some nasty letters over how heartless he was BTW) but his article I think was very honest. I too am uncomfortable when approached by pan handlers asking for money, sometimes even afraid of them (I lived in Los Angeles and New Orleans) I would usually give them a buck or two just to get away from them, almost like a black mail pay off.
Not that I have no compassion, but like the guy who wrote the article, I give money and time to organizations that I know are helping. Maybe I am blaming the person pan handling for their condition–maybe he will go buy drugs/booze with the money I give him so I am only enabling him. Plus I used to know some guys who pan handled because they were too lazy to work and they used to go "work the signs" and hang out by an exit off the free way with a sign that said "vet will work for food"—of course they didn't want a job and most of them were not vets—they were pan handling as a way of life.
I guess this post ended up "chasing rabbits" and I ' not sure where I was going with it any more! LOL But our anxieties and our fears are not all together unfounded on facts.
Oxy, I have a question for you.
Back when I was with Spath, he was sitting on a straght backed chair in front of the open front door in one of those rusty trailers I wrote about earlier. We wer both smokers and his brother was there as well and the room was smokey, so he was trying to get some fresh air. He pulled me down on his lap, but since I was already ticked off at him, (don’t remember why) I was fighting to get up but he was holding me down. I said, “Let go of me”, and his brother said with a sarcastic tone full of implication, “yeah, L—- let go of her.”
He let go and I fell out the door and down the 3 or for steps on my face. It knocked me out and I P’d myself. I had a huge purple swollen shut eye.
For about a week after that I had about three incidents of feeling, out of nowhere, that head over heals tumbling, like it was really happening, right then.
I thought at the time that it might be the result of a concussion, but I wonder if it was a symptom of PTSD. A reliving of trauma. What do you think Oxy?
Dear Kim, could have been either actually. If you are knocked “out” or “nearly out” you have probably had some brain injury. There is some study being done now on NFL players and even kids in Lower grades and college who are football players and get hurt. It causes dementia and other problems as they age and they found out they think that Lou Gerig (how ever you spell his name) didn’t have “lou Gerig’s disease” he had probably had dementia from his many head injuries during his baseball career. How about that. Some foot ball player about age 50 here just offed himself and donated his brain to that study, They think he may have been having some episodes that made him think he was losing his mind and he couldn’t face it. Bless his heart. I can relate to that!
I know that my memory took a SEVERE hit after the plane crash, and it was PTSD, and my memory is BETTER than it was, but still have frquent large “holes” in things. New Learning is much much harder and Recalling a string of numbers which used to be a SNAP for me got impossible to do more than 1 or 2 numbers (“normal” or “average” is 7 numbers, that’s why phone numbers are 7 numbers–except for the area code) but I could do about 100 in a string in short term memory and give them off backwards, forwards, skip every other one, etc. after the crash,, I couldn’t dial a phone for months. I had to write the number down, ONE NUMBER, then get the other number, and so on til I had them all. Then to dial it, I had to put the number into the phone, then cross it off the “list” of numbers, then put the next one in and then cross it off til I got all 7 in the phone to make the call.’
The other day I asked myself to recite my own phone number backwards, and I actually DID IT, but it took me a while to do it and I had to say it over in my head forwards then go backwards, but I did it. I know I have “improved” but I find things all the time that I have “forgotten” or put somewhere and “lost” or forgot to do something. I am a continual LIST USER for everything.
My son D who was IN the airplane when it crashed and has PTSD as well—he was fairly badly burned but I took good enough care of his wounds, even in the shape I was in that he has very faint scars and if you didn’t know they were there you couldn’t even see them. Those areas won’t tan but he doesn’t expose them to sunlight because of the risk of skin cancer at the burned skin. He has short term memory problems too, but again, 6 yrs out is much better than he was, but not nearly where he was right after the crash. On top of everything else, he was dating a girl at the time of the crash that was a psychopath and we didn’t know it—I mean she was a roaring one. Her mother was too, as we came to find out, and had some SICK stuff going on. My son had a real melt down and broke up with this girl about the time I started dating my P-now-X-BF which was about 2 months after my step father died, and 8 months after my husband died. I swear we had the drama-rama from hell going on there for about 3 years. First one psychopath and then the next or 2-3 at the same time, plus their DUPES.
All this physical and emotional trauma and the stress hormones DO cause some changes in the structure and the function of the brain…I’m no expert on it, but I know that much (in general) and there is a lot of research going on now about just this very thing. Years ago when I worked in spinal cord and head injury, we had a lot of patients with severe brain injuries that never had a broken bone or a bruise, but the brain bounces around inside the skull (like shaken baby syndrome) and the inside of the skull is ROUGH and has sharp edges so it injures the brain, almost like a stroke sometimes in severe injuries. Lots of motor cycle wrecks where the guy has on a helmet are from the brain bouncing around. Sometimes if the skull is fractured it actually HELPS the guy because the brain can swell and the skull opens up instead of PRESSING ON the brain inside a CLOSED container.
I am realizing now that my stress levels have finally come down for a significant period of time that I’ve probably had HIGH STRESS levels most of my life—-that day I ran into Egg donor in the store and got all stressed out, worse than if I’d come up on a bear in the woods–I realized just how SICK I FELT wanting to throw up etc. and it took me about 18 hours for that feeling to go away. I realized then that I used to feel that way 24/7, LIKE A LONG-TAILED CAT IN A ROOM FULL OF ROCKING CHAIRS! Nervous!!! Nervous!!! Anxious!! On edge! Living now where I don’t feel like I am living in a state of hyper vigilance all the time is taking some getting used to really. I also noticed that prisoners are continually SCANNING the room if you are visiting with them in an open visit room, they never look at you, but continually scan to see what is behind them or around them or who is coming in the door. Even the P son is that way, and I noticed he didn’t make eye contact when you were talking to him the way “normal” people do, but ALL the prisoners around him were doing the same thing. If you or I are talking in a crowded room, sitting at a small table we BLOCK OUT the others and make eye contact with each other and focus on each other and communicate that way—they do not, they continually include the rest of the room in their focus. That too, I think is a reaction to stress even for the psychopaths in prison…it is a survival technique like a rabbit in a room full of bob cats.