Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following letter from the reader who posts as “SocioSibs.” She asks, “what would you do?”
What if you have reason to believe that someone you know is a serious danger to others? You’ve known this person almost all your life, grew up together in the same family.
Until recently, this person had a huge menagerie of animals housed on an acre of land, including a horse, 13 dogs, 5 cats, turkeys & peacocks and possibly a parrot or 2. Yet when she abandoned the property, all but 2 dogs she took with her disappeared in a span of just weeks.
Subsequent to this person’s latest move (one of 25 or so over a half-century), you found a couple of canine carcasses hidden behind a barn and miscellaneous skeletal remains strewn about the former property, which conjured a memory of walking in on this person during very early puberty as she was holding a live wild bird over the bathroom sink with a knife to decapitate it, exclaiming upon the surprise encounter that she couldn’t cure it so was putting the poor creature out of its misery.
Then you locate childhood friends and others from this person’s past, learning that one witnessed her strangling or drowning numerous animals, with that same explanation, since age 12. Another witness tells of repeated torture of animals, including punching & kicking her horse (one of 2 that a boyfriend bought her), savagely beating her dog daily, and crushing the skulls of kittens between her fingers and tossing them out of her car onto the ground, all during her mid-teen years.
You recall visions of her often hitting & kicking family pets, to the horror and pain of her parent and sibling, who tried but never could completely curtail it. And then you find a multitude of accounts from witnesses and public records of this person accusing multiple people of stalking her from age 13 through recent years, along with reports this person has made of others poisoning her plants & pets, some of whom died as a result, which stirs memories of childhood pets that died mysteriously, healthy pets whom this person hypothesized at the time must have been poisoned by neighbors or stalkers.
An ex-spouse reports that when divorce became imminent she cooked him a “special” meal, after which he became quite ill and came down with a severe rash all over his body, never experienced before or since. Concurrently this person was attempting to entice a former lover to relocate half-way across the country, unbeknownst to the would-be-again lover that this person was also accusing him of stalking and threatening to kill her due to his mad obsession.
This person has a now-young-adult offspring who has been plagued by mysterious illnesses since infancy, and ended up in hospital emergency rooms more often than most people who live to ripe old ages. One disease that was actually diagnosed was touted to some as the first case in the state, but she may have had access to the bacteria while a biological science student at a major university in the early 90s (for which someone else paid and from which she did not graduate), prior to the meticulous tracking these days of contagious pathogens. And you hear that her ex-spouse independently came to the same conclusion as you as to how your niece contracted it.
You recollect a tale she told of a male roommate brandishing a knife with the person’s then 10-year-old child present, and another when the child was 12 and sexually molested by someone’s 15-year-old son right in the next room.
You are aware of at least 2 occasions when Child Protective Services were called on this person, but in each case she wriggled out of charges. Then, when you contact CPS yourself to inquire, the intake worker on the other end can’t tell you what, if any, reports there may be that have not resulted in convictions. However, seeing it for himself on the computer screen, he urges you to call protective services in the state where this person’s child now resides, even asking you to hold on while he looks up the phone number for you and stresses that you speak with a supervisor there if you don’t get results during the initial call.
Indeed, other authorities whom you contact say they can’t do anything now that this person is no longer within their jurisdiction, while provoking guilt for your not having done something about her sooner. Some suggest you at least try to do something where she is now, recommending entities to contact, even if it’s too little too late.
This person has vilified anyone who could threaten to expose her, portrays herself as a persecuted, sweet, innocent victim of her targeted victims, has been abusing & killing animals since childhood but has come to be known as an “animal whisperer.” You have evidence that she’s been poisoning animals and possibly humans for years, has been lying & stealing and casting blame on others since early childhood, with a criminal record for larceny since at least turning 18 (juvenile records are sealed), and a felony arson record.
Then you find out that this person has fled to another state, welcomed with open arms by family into a home where a young relative resides, knowing that they implicitly trust and feel very sorry for her, for “all she’s been through.”
What if you, too, have defended, protected, and advocated for this person all through the years, because you, too, have been blinded by the bizarre stories she fabricates and sympathy she so ably elicits? And you staunchly held onto the lifelong belief that every person has a heart. But now you can no longer ignore that truly innocent people actually are, and always have been, in danger.
What if this person, knowing you could blow her cover, preemptively already got deep into the heads of the rest of your family and convinced them that you are crazy and evil and out to get her, even though there’s not a shred of substantiation of her claims, but she’s mastered the art of manipulation and has skillfully succeeded in obliterating your credibility & character?
What if you knew all this and so much more, and this person were still on the loose seriously harming others and getting away with it, invited and naively trusted to be alone around those most vulnerable, such as children and animals? What if, having been the most consistently present over this person’s lifetime, with nobody else recognizing the danger or mustering the courage or possessing comprehensive information, you find you’re probably the best candidate to piece together the puzzle so that others might see the whole picture, thereby alerting & enabling them to protect themselves, too? Would you speak up?
Now add that what got your investigative ball rolling was the death of the parent that resulted in the threat of losing your home. Because of a fluke when the parent helped save the sibling from losing her home several years ago as aftermath of a divorce, the deed ended up in the parent’s name, so that now both siblings own it 50-50 because there was no will. The sibling can file a legal claim by which she may possibly regain title to her house, but with the family turned against her, they will likely help this person fight the sibling in court, viewing this person as the tragic victim of a greedy sibling.
Suppose this person attempted to get a sizeable advance of her presumed inheritance, prior to creditors being paid, and prior to the estate administrator discovering that she destroyed what she had been deceiving the family as being the largest asset — the house she lived in that the parent bought her and made all the monthly mortgage payments on (in addition to paying most or all her other bills, even restitution & probation fees), so that now it’s worth less than the remaining note due on it. Third consecutive house that she irreparably demolished—the first being the one she burned down; as opposed to the sibling who originally purchased her own house, for the most part paid her own mortgage, whose house appreciated in value, and who certainly never caused destruction to anyone’s property.
Then it turned out that there will be no inheritance because this person depleted or destroyed all the parent’s financial resources already. The only asset left of any value is the sibling’s house (a small cottage with 50K equity in a low-middle income subdivision, compared to her 4-bedroom 2 bath on an acre that she ruined), while outstanding debts leave the entire estate at a deficit that can force a sale by creditors, debts that can be traced back primarily to this person. Despite these irrefutable facts, this person has convinced the family that the sibling is just trying to take everything, even though there is nothing to take. All the sibling wanted was to keep her own house that she bought herself 2 decades ago and has been inhabiting, maintaining & improving, and caring for ever since.
This all started as a pursuit of the sibling to rightfully keep her home, make it a fair fight, sibling vs. sibling, without the whole family against the one sibling. Now that so much devastating new evidence has since come to light, it has grown into a pursuit to enlighten family members so that they can protect themselves, including the sibling’s own life and that of her child, from this person.
At least one family member admonished that, under the circumstances, that makes you, the sibling, the worst candidate to speak up, condemnable for even considering it, no matter how much you’ve discovered that’s led you to acknowledge that this person is very dangerous and that people — including you and your child — are in harm’s way, because it only makes you appear to have a less than noble motive.
What, if anything, would you do?
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Oct. 27, 2010.
Christy “trust me” and people who say it frequently are setting you up for the “kill”—“trust me” means in s-path speak “You are in for a screwing” just as a magician distracts you from seeing what he is really doing, so does a psychopath.
Welcome Christy,
This blog is the best. When I feel down or I need to know something, this is where I come. At first it was a relief to find out that there were more people like me…in my situation. And that I was not going crazy, and that my ex spath was the sicko and he was attempting to get me out of the way and planning to take my house and my kids.
Mine too was the most charming, handsome guy you would ever meet. he charmed me for almost 20 years, there were flags, but I was sooooo charmed that I thought I was seeing things where there should be nothing to see….I should have listened to my inner self…but after being here, I have learnt that that is why they are so nice and conniving to make you think we are “seeing” things, and shrug it off. My spath was loved by all, even his kids. I had two wonderful kids with him who are now 14 and 18. The mask dropped suddenly, because he knew I was on to something….I simply wanted to know what he was doing with his money…I was paying for everything and planning a holiday…and I needed his help. From that point on it was hell. I actually saw immediately the change in face, I had to look again, I thought I was seeing things, his eyes changed to “cold”, his expression changed, and he simply had a look of disgust towards me. he hated me deeply and utterly. He continued for weeks to pretend I was not there, treated me poorly, belittled me in front of the kids, and did things that devastated me. Who was this guy ? I kind of precipitated his departure because I needed to know what the heck was going on. I pressed him for answers, bank statements, questions, questions, I went to a marriage councillor, he could not take it anymore and left. And by doing this, he left his kids behind, big mistake on his part, a good thing for me. I now have my kids and they want nothing to do with their father. they call him sperm donor. My mission is to make them a life which they so much deserve and being their for them. We are so close the three of us that I am finally finding peace within myself and they are focused in school and the best kids ever…so so fortunate .
Before he left me, he already had another women, and her 4 kids, which are also his( he was cheating on me with a young lady for several years, and her kids range from 4 to 14, so you can do the math ) And four from his previous marriage, so in total 10. Has and never will see any of kids get married or gradutate, no one wants nothing to do with him, except for his older kids which he is now pleading insanity…I made him stay away from them…and they are now believing him. What a vampire. He entices and kills the soul, sucks the soul right out of people. I have not contacted him for 1 1/2 years, do not think I do not love him, but I keep reminding myself it is an illusion that I love, not the real him. That is the hardest thing to know that what I had is an illusion. But my kids are sane and kind and gentle, God has been good to me. Take heart, keep the no contact. Its the only way. I am in a legal battle with him, and I intend to secure whatever I can for me and my kids, and its messy, but I must do it. No contact means just that, but we cannot “gift” them money, we need to take care of ourselves. He has had enough “gifting” from me. So keep your faith, and stay with us on this blog, and we will overcome this bomb that happened in our lives…we will eventually prosper. We are here for you. Hugs
Sociopaths lack integrity to the nth degree.
I have a name for my ex..I call him “THE MUMMY”! Has anyone seen the film “The Mummy” where Imhotep tracks down his victims and then sucks them completely dry in order to regenerate? Well I can say the same thing applies to these creatures that we have all been involved with. And they are creatures. There is no shade of humanity in them at all. None whatsoever. I’m still reeling from what my spath ex has done to me to be quite honest. He promised me the home, the kid, the marriage, the future, and guess what, none of it ever materialised, he used to say stuff but never follow through with his promises. ..
I did kinda pick up on something odd about him..even his music of choice was 50 Cent, Public Enemy (“Fight the Power” ”“ authority hater or what? haha!!!!!) and Tupac, you know, all the gangsta crap..it made me think “maybe thats how he sees himself”..like his life’s dream is to be Scarface..or a gangster wannabe”he even kept a crossbow and a bulletproof vest in the house!! He constantly went on about how the UK Government controls what we watch on TV and how the law rules over all our lives etc etc..
There were some days where he would completely “go into” himself, like, withdraw, but I could see he was thinking, always ticking over”
And he had the “stare” too”he admitted himself that he did that to “dominate” people, to try and “read” people.. When I saw him in Spain he commented that he knew I was angry with him because “he could see it in my eyes”.. He was however still self righteous and took no responsibility for his actions..he thinks he can do what the hell he likes and not have to face the consequences..he even has a tattoo on his wrist saying “BECAUSE I CAN..”!!
This thing with the police is still going on and I’m going to fight all the way..at the moment my identity is concealed so that he won’t find out it was me that told the police of his whereabouts..but you know what?? If revealing my identity makes the difference between him being convicted or walking free, then I will let him know that it was me, as long as I get justice for what he has done….I think that is the main thing in my life right now..to see justice done…I said to myself last night, “No f____ more!!!”…just trying to understand and accept this situation..my goal is to eventually get to the stage where I won’t hate him, rather I’ll “nothing” him, thats how I will know I have fully healed…but either way I will never forget this experience..it has left a scar that nothing can take away..
Dear Christy,
I think we give them the benefit of the doubt because WE have a conscience, WE have caring and empathy, we think others are like us so we ASSUME they have empathy, conscience and consideration because WE DO.
They on the other hand I think either look at us as total fools, or think we WOULD get them first if we had a choice, so they are going to get us first.
My P-son, once when he was talking to my adopted son said to him “You’re just like me, I know you” Actually, my P-son was in prison before my adopted son came to live with us, so the only interactions they’ve had are in the visiting room of the prison. So P son assumes that adopted son is “just like him” and he is very jealous of adopted son for “horning in on his territory.” For the time he spent with my late husband, with the fact that adoptive son is loved and treated as a son. P-son wanted EVERYTHING in the way of inheritance and didn’t want ANYONE to get anything except him.
My husband has children, and my children were considered his children, and our adopted son was “our” child..so between us we had 7 children. All the “kids” in my mind were “equal” and I didn’t want anyone to feel left out, so I was going to divide the original keepsakes into piles, like dealing out cards, then number the cards and let the kids draw for numbers, like a lottery so no one got “favored” over the others. (and I was going to include P-son at that time—not now!) and I wrote this idea to him in a letter BECAUSE I WAS PROUD TO HAVE COME UP WITH A FAIR WAY and he immediately fired back and said
NO, DON’T DO THAT, YOU’RE HIS WIFE AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE FAIR.
Well, what if I WANT TO BE FAIR? DUH?
Even from inside prison where he has essentially stayed since age 17 (except for a few months outside) he wanted (Wants) to run the family, AND have all the assets.
Christy you called it “nothing” him, and you are right —reaching INDIFFERENCE is “nirvana” if we can get there. Just NOT caring one way or another. Not wanting to harm them, but just “nothing”-ing them. I get there some days, most days, but other days, I “fall off the wagon” and have to get back up and return to indifference again. It is an ongoing process, but each step away from the wound you take, the closer you are!!!
The more we learn about them, and the more we learn about ourselves, the closer we can get!!! (((hugs))))
Christy, just read your story and wow what they get away with. I myself have been dealing with my dad’s / Grandmothers Estate both sort of overlapping an d well i could go on about all the crap they’ve tried to pull over on me. My brother alcoholic and possibly personality disorederd had a friend of my fathers left my dad’s entire estate 1/3 and this guy along with my step mother, brother, lawyer all blackmailed me for a year and a half. Now i ‘m finally settling the estate of my grandmothers, after tons of legal fee’s to greedy lawyers and im left holding the bag, taxes in arrears as my stepmother thinks she doesn’t have to pay. anyway im so sick of being walked on , new lawyer i know is charging me taking advantage again, but this time im not letting him get away with it. Im standing my ground with certain issues, willing to blow the deal on a substantial amount for the farm/house because i want what should have been done when my dad passed honored , because i was right all along, they just bullied me and threatened. Now im fighting back and i don’t care if im shooting my foot off with offer, i want to do what any honorable person should have done with my grandmother’s estate, not what all these greedy jerks think was right. My lawyer looked at me when i pressed for the lease monies from 2009 , that they think they can hold back , he said are you trying to use the purchase as leverage and i said, look lawyer (300 an hour which by the way i know he told me 200) the estate is owed the money and im doing my job, in essence i will blow the deal if they don’t do right by what they should have done. Might sound like im foolish but i made it clear that i am doing what should have been done, not doing what’s easiest for this lawyer , he knows now i will not pay him if he doens’t get his chit together. I haven’t heard and im waiting to see and im refusing to see my lawyer unless he has something pertinent to show me. Enough is enough. luve kindheart
Dear Kindheart,
Too many times the lawyers end up with it all, because they get a psychopathic greedy “heir” or would-be heir to get a fight going and the lawyers get the bulk of or all of the estate, the psychopath gets little or nothing and the legitimate heir gets little or nothing.
Sometimes though you just decide what outcome you are willing to take and go for that, even if it means you get nothing. You may not get justice but you prevent them from robbing you and getting away with the loot at least. Good lluck (((hugs))))
Dear Sociosibs,
Your story is a chilling one. Having read nearly every Ann Rule book, it reminds me of one of hers…and there are never happy endings.
What would you do?
There are several things.
1. I would write down everything you can remember, and keep your notes in a safe place (i.e. a safe deposit box). I would document, document, document, including names of others who can substantiate your allegations. I would take pictures of the animal carcasses, dates of arsons, poisonings, etc. I would literally create a timetable, to the best of my ability, regarding the sibling’s actions.
2. I would check with the bar association in your state and (in my state for $35) you can consult with an attorney. I would check with a couple for their recommendations.
3. I would speak with a counselor for support and recruit the help of trusted friends and family members.
4. Depending on the advice of an attorney, I would check with local police and/or speak with family members with whom your sibling has associations.
Remember this: Sociopaths are very cunning, conning, and maniulative. They are compulsive liars, but very believeable. They will begin a smear campaign against you (you are crazy, you are the bad one, etc.) so others are prejudiced against you even before you speak.
5. I would also seek self protection as sociopaths are very vindictive, whether it is a self-defense course, an alarm system, or a weapon.
Be prepared for a difficult journey.
Blessings and Peace,
Peggy
Hi Everyone here,
Peggy, you said something that hit me like a ton of bricks! That they will start a smear campaign against you so others are prejudiced against you before you even open your mouth. WOW! Indeed he did. I couldn’t understand why people, like people who he worked with, etc…, treated me as though i was a vixen even after they saw what he had done to my face, after he had beat the crap out of me. You know i am so grateful for this site and the posts here. They seem to show up at the most needed times. When i start to feel weak. My sp is in jail at the moment for corporal punishment on a spouse (me) but i found myself buying 5 post cards so i could send him a few. Post cards are the only type of mail that inmates can get where we live. What could i possibly have to say to him????? Duh! I am sorry that all of you are and have had to deal with such traumatic events and people. You know i never subscribed to lovefraud and out of the blue i received an e-mail from them in my mail box. Divine intervention, had to be. This is where i started to read about sp’s and their behavior. My sp had alot of the same personality traits but at the time that i started to read about this type of person he lacked 2 major traits but it was only a few weeks before the other 2 showed up. He had finally physically attacked me and i did find out that he was already married even though we had been planning our wedding. No contact is the only way and i need to be reminded of this. Looking back on my life i can tell you that there are alot of sp’s in my life going all the way back to my dad, step dad, sister, lovers, etc…. Now to my surprize and understanding i can put pieces of my troubled life together and i can see that i have been a victim to these type of people alot. Scary to think what they are capable of and that i am truly lucky to be alive. It is quite sobering to here stories like this one “what would you do” and the following stories also. I had done alot of healing from past traumas that had left me paranoid and anxious and after this relationship i am sensing my paranoia coming back. I don;t want to relapse into a full blown basket case because of this one bad apple. I really need to learn how to be descernful without being paranoid and fearful all of the time. Reading all of these stories is alittle bit scary because there are really people who kill, hurt animals, lie, and otherwise want to see you suffer, which is disturbing in itself.
Question; if anyone would mind answering this for me. Why do the sp’s get to the point that they hate you? really hate you? I look back and so many things that i loved, like special painted plates, jewelry, eye glasses missing (he was jealous of me and the computer)Just little things that i cared about he would destroy or sabatage or take from me, very sneakily try to hurt me. Even if all you have done is help them? Is it because they know that they will never be able to measure up to the person that you think they are? Is it because they feel threatened because you are starting to see through the mask? Is it because someone has dare to stand up to them? I really don’t understand that. But my sp must have really hated me to have done everything that he had especially breaking my face up the way he did. Thanks ahead of time for the responses. Baffled!!!! Light and love to all, Caylin
I had a situation that has some similarities with yours, although it was probably not as severe and intense, since the sociopath was not a relative. He was a co-leader in an organized religion, using trust in his leadership position to seduce me and many other women.
He spread lies and rumors about me and they were believed, and I had to accept the consequences of that.
Honestly, it was the worst thing that ever happened in my life and I have never gotten over it. Today, 3 years later, I can’t stand the sight of those people who refused to believe me. I have been gradually cutting off contact with them, one by one. It has changed my life drastically.
He had a long history of similar behavior, and the evidence in my case was very clear and obvious. I feel they were morally obligated to at least some minimal level of investigation, but they did nothing. They took the path of least resistance.
The sociopath went on wreaking destruction. I just got as far out of the path of that destruction as I could get.
It’s a difficult transition now, but I hope and believe that in the end my life will be better and happier.