By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
I get most of my mail at a PO box and only a few things come to my rural mailbox, which sits on the road at the end of my driveway. A few days ago I checked the mailbox, and there were several Christmas cards ”¦ including one from an EX-friend.
We had reconnected a few years ago. He was an old college chum, a guy that I had palled around with when I was in my first couple of years of nursing school. He is also a nurse, now retired. We had a lot of the same interests then and still do, so since he had recently moved to this area, we started going places together and just being pals again. This was really kind of fun to have a “running buddy” to go to auctions with. My son D had also known my buddy’s sons at scout camp, so it was a “family friendship” as well.
After a couple of years of this, he began to act kind of snarky and did some things that were frankly dishonest and stupid. One of the things he did was to break a small agreement we had made, nothing “serious” as far as money was concerned, just $56, but he just didn’t do what he said he’d do and it greatly inconvenienced me. I decided it was serious enough of an inconvenience that I would try to talk to him. We sat down in my dining room and I brought up how he had backed out on the small agreement we had made and that I didn’t appreciate it. He became absolutely livid, called me a liar, accused me of trying to cheat him, etc., so in the very middle of his rant, I told him “Get out of my house right now!”
Since that day I had actually seen him only a couple of times in various stores. This year at Thanksgiving he showed up at one of our living history events ”¦ and I just ignored his presence and kept going. He also saw me and realized that I had ignored him.
My son and I had seen his son a couple of times, as he buses tables at a restaurant we eat at once in a while and both of us had been very friendly to the boy and cordial. Neither of us hold any grudge against the boy for his father being a jerk.
“Cooling off”
So there was a Christmas card from my ex-friend in the mailbox, and inside was a note from him saying that the “cooling off period” between us had gone on for far too long and he wanted to be friends again. I laughed when I read it.
This man is not a psychopath, he is just a jerk without a great deal of understanding of social discourse. He isn’t going to burn my house, or murder me, or anything else. But he took the holiday as an appropriate time in his mind to try to “mend fences” —without the proper tools.
Why would I laugh? Well he obviously thinks that “bad behavior + time = pretending it didn’t happen and everything’s lovely.”
Well, it may be true that “tragedy + time = humor,” but it does not mean we “pretend it never happened.” Time passing does not mean that no recognition of bad acts and no apology + time means “all is well.”
I don’t hate this man, I’m not still angry at him. I have “forgiven” him, in that I do not harbor bitterness toward him, but I don’t want to associate with him, to go places with him, or have him over at my house, because I have LOST TRUST in him. While I can “forgive” him, without TRUST, there just isn’t any need for association, because being around people I don’t trust isn’t something that makes me happy.
Being a stickler
Why am I being such a stickler? It wasn’t a big deal, really. I mean, come on, it was only $56, and he just lost his temper and called you nasty names. You’re a big person, Joyce, can’t you take the “high road” and just get over it? Now that a couple of years have gone by, shouldn’t we just cool off and be friends again?
The answer is NO! I don’t want to be friends with this man, now or ever, even though he is not a psychopath, he is not dangerous, and overall most people would say he’s a pretty good guy. However, he flunked the “Ox Drover friendship test,” which consists of an apology. His apology should have had three parts:
- acknowledging that what he did in breaking the agreement was wrong,
- that he was sorry he acted like he did, that he had no right to call me ugly names, and
- that he would never act like that again.
However, because he shows no recognition that what he did was wrong, there is no (#1) He shows no remorse for what he did so there is no (#2). He is only extending his “olive branch” to me to “pretend it never happened.” And of course because there is no #1 or #2 in his “extended olive branch” there can’t be a (#3), which means that I can’t trust him to not repeat this kind of behavior. I also realize that he has a hot temper when he is crossed or disagreed with or when he gets called out on BS.
Lost trust
As the philosopher Nietzsche says “It doesn’t matter to me that you lied, what bothers me is that I now cannot believe you.”
I lost my trust in my now-ex friend that day when he broke his word, and then projected on to me the problem, then called me a liar.
At the time that happened, my boundaries with people who were “close to me” were still pretty shaky, but I was getting my “training wheels off” with boundaries and I made this one quickly and firmly and have not wavered one whit from that day.
I actually started to write a reply to him, because he isn’t a psychopath, and I thought maybe, just maybe, he would see the error of his ways. But I got to thinking about what I would write and realized I didn’t even care enough to tell him what a jerk he is.
The best part though, is I don’t even feel guilty about not replying, and I don’t wonder if I should have taken his proffered “olive branch” (sans apology).
Hi Oxy,
This is simple and GREAT! It’s all about boundaries and being grown up. I too have faced these kinds of dilemnas and now my “friend” list is short.
You called him out on his crap and he didn’t appreciate it and went into deflect mode. This I call smoke and mirrors. The attack on you is meant to make you forget all about the real issue.. he balked on his word. He may not be a sociopath but this is still a very familiar tactic.
When I find myself in this situation, it reminds me of all the times I tried to explain to the Bad Man that what he was doing to me was wrong. Then I stopped. He was a grown man and a former minister…. I am SURE he knew that it was not right to call me f***ing a**hole. Seriously! What was wrong with the situation (the part I needed to change) was my unwillingness to walk away and cut free those who knew better and didn’t care…. and those who knew better but were more interested in me taking the blame for their actions.
Since then, the line has been drawn now between YOU (anyone shady) and ME (I’m kinda nice).
Thanks Bad Man. You taught me how to do that by providing so many examples of what not to do and how not to be.
I am all better now. :O)
Love, Elise aka AlohaTraveler
Oxy,
You are AWESOME! Happy New Year!!!
And thank you so much for your dedication to this healing community! You are truly a gift to LF.
Aloha
Dear Aloha, my dear, you are at least 50% of why I am half way sane today! The other 50% belongs to Donna! Yea, setting the boundaries, even with the non-psychopaths is starting to be much easier and more “reflex” than it was to start with.
My “friend list” is also quite short now….but those that are left on it are PURE GOLD!!! That’s worth a lot more than a bunch of fool’s gold friends!
I am assuming you have started your final semester!!!! You have come so far since we met here on LoveFraud nearly 5 years ago, dear Elise! You were still living with your friends and trying to pay off the debts and I was hiding out in the RV in fear of my life! Long roads for both of us, but the path is much more sunny now! (((hugs)))) and God bless you!
Wow… you were hiding in your RV and I was hiding in my room… but hanging out on LF! Good times!
I am sitting in a cafe waiting for a old/new friend. I won’t tell her story, that is up to her. But she is one of us and I am supporting her through the fog. She can see me waving at her and she’s inching her way through it.
I am so glad that my worst times have given me something to share with others..
Hey, so my story continues but in a way I hadn’t hoped for. I’ve tried everything to stay here at my college. I’ve applied for student loan but I need a cosigner. I don’t have anybody to help me here. I only have a few days to find a place to stay because I’m about to get thrown out of school. I can’t believe both my parents planned this whole thing! Everyone here has been trying to help me stay in school but it always retorts back to my current financial support, my father. I feel defeated and almost like my parents got what they wanted: to see me fail. I have lost my faith in God almost because it feels like he’s not doing anything. He’s letting my dad buy a new house, a new everything while I’m sitting here broke and afraid. Most of the people here say I need to find a place to stay and get a job. I just want to finish school and open my own fashion boutique. It feels like evil has finally won this battle. I have no one who believes in me that much to support me that can do something. I haven’t eaten in two days cause I feel hopeless. I mean I don’t my future anymore. I thought I could have things settle a bit but it looks like I can’t right now. I’m so ready to quit. I’ve tried everything to stay but no one can help me.
Mutual love and admiration, dear Oxy.
Oh! My friend has arrived!
I sent her your new article on email.
Catch you later.
Dear Hurtnomore,
Sugar, your dad has been threatening you with this for at least a year now…..so this should not come as a “surprise” to you….BUT, while you cannot have what you WANT right now….which is to stay in school, you can have a GREAT LESSON in self reliance…which is the best thing that any of us can have.
I have found in my decades of life that sometimes when I think that the thing I want MOST IN THE WORLD, and think I should have seems to be “jerked out from under me” by God/the universe or psychopaths, what ACTUALLY happens is that I get what I NEED, NOT WHAT I WANT. Sometimes even as a GOOD AND LOVING parent our children want things that are not either what we think is good for them, or what we are ABLE to give them…so we must say NO. I think God is like that loving parent who sometimes tells us NO. While YOU want to finish school and open a boutique….you also want your father to support you while you do this…but he is NOT WILLING TO DO THIS UNLESS HE CAN ALSO CONTROL YOU. So you are going to have to PUT YOURSELF THROUGH SCHOOL BY WORKING, SUPPORTING YOURSELF, AND THEN STARTING YOUR OWN BOUTIQUE or work for someone else until you can start your own boutique. Frankly, sugar, I think this being independent is going to be HARD WORK, but will in the end BE WELL WORTH IT IS THE THINGS YOU LEARN.
We can’t always have what we WANT, but we can have what we NEED and we can work for it, provide it and not be dependent on anyone else. Good luck, and don’t give up on either yourself or God! Just find yourself a place to live and a job and you will be able to become independent and not suck up to your father or others who want to control you. God bless.
hurtnomore,
Your choices have not changed. If your father is committed by law to pay for your education, then get a lawyer.
If you don’t want to fight, then get a job and move on with your life. A lot of employers will look favorably on a person who is trying to get an education and will be happy to give you real life experience in a boutique. Show them what you’re made of!
A “friend” of mine did a “small” thing too. I wrote her off. Then one day she saw me in our condo building and said, “Don’t be mad, I miss you.” I knew it would never be the “friendship” it was, but decided to forgive and forget and guess what? SHE DID ANOTHER THING that was basically yet another example of how thoughtless, unreliable, inconsiderate and ignorant she could be.
Don’t get me wrong, I am NOT judging her. I know she is on her own journey. The words I use to describe her behavior, ARE the correct words. This does not mean I don’t just walk away and leave her to her path, without me by her side.
I have NO time for people who will not be kind and respectful towards me. I’ve had a lifetime of the other way and I no longer have one ounce of tolerance for horse shit.
People can make mistakes, BUT they need to APOLOGIZE……ANNNNNNDDDDD, they need to make some kind of effort to make amends. If they can’t do that, walk away.
As the saying goes, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.”
Peace sisters.
NoContactRules,
Yep, exactly…..this man “showed” me on several occasions that he was a “bit greedy” and a “bit snarky” and I didn’t call BS on it, but it sort of “stuck” me, and I tried to “take the high road” and not be cross, to give him the “benefit of the doubt”—but when he totally broke his word, our agreement, even though it was a petty amount of money, the INCONVENIENCE was quite a bit and I called BS on it. That was when he “went off on me” verbally….acted out. But then when he sent the note there was NO “I’m sorry I acted poorly” in fact, the only thing he acknowledged was that TIME had passed and that we should have “cooled off” by now.
Well, actually, I cooled off in a couple of hours after he left my house, but I determined that I didn’t want any more of his “friendship” because I don’t need people who “go off on” me when THEY are the ones who have broken their word. He is the one who broke his word, I did NOT “go off on him”—but I did stand up to him and tell him to LEAVE MY HOUSE. I set my boundary and I have no regrets about doing so. The fact that HE seems to think that “bad behavior + time = all is okay” doesn’t make it so. Unfortunately, too many times people think that way, and in fact, I have “thought” that way myself. I have let people who “done me wrong” get a second chance to do me wrong again because I failed to remember what they had done.
BTW it is OK to JUDGE someone’s behavior as BAD…in fact, it is a GOOD thing to judge what is good versus what is bad.
Forgiving is a good thing, FORGETTING IS A BAD THING. Just because you “forgive” does not mean you have to ALSO “forget.”
Once burned, twice shy.
Shiat on me once, shame on you; shiat on me twice, shame on ME!