By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
I get most of my mail at a PO box and only a few things come to my rural mailbox, which sits on the road at the end of my driveway. A few days ago I checked the mailbox, and there were several Christmas cards ”¦ including one from an EX-friend.
We had reconnected a few years ago. He was an old college chum, a guy that I had palled around with when I was in my first couple of years of nursing school. He is also a nurse, now retired. We had a lot of the same interests then and still do, so since he had recently moved to this area, we started going places together and just being pals again. This was really kind of fun to have a “running buddy” to go to auctions with. My son D had also known my buddy’s sons at scout camp, so it was a “family friendship” as well.
After a couple of years of this, he began to act kind of snarky and did some things that were frankly dishonest and stupid. One of the things he did was to break a small agreement we had made, nothing “serious” as far as money was concerned, just $56, but he just didn’t do what he said he’d do and it greatly inconvenienced me. I decided it was serious enough of an inconvenience that I would try to talk to him. We sat down in my dining room and I brought up how he had backed out on the small agreement we had made and that I didn’t appreciate it. He became absolutely livid, called me a liar, accused me of trying to cheat him, etc., so in the very middle of his rant, I told him “Get out of my house right now!”
Since that day I had actually seen him only a couple of times in various stores. This year at Thanksgiving he showed up at one of our living history events ”¦ and I just ignored his presence and kept going. He also saw me and realized that I had ignored him.
My son and I had seen his son a couple of times, as he buses tables at a restaurant we eat at once in a while and both of us had been very friendly to the boy and cordial. Neither of us hold any grudge against the boy for his father being a jerk.
“Cooling off”
So there was a Christmas card from my ex-friend in the mailbox, and inside was a note from him saying that the “cooling off period” between us had gone on for far too long and he wanted to be friends again. I laughed when I read it.
This man is not a psychopath, he is just a jerk without a great deal of understanding of social discourse. He isn’t going to burn my house, or murder me, or anything else. But he took the holiday as an appropriate time in his mind to try to “mend fences” —without the proper tools.
Why would I laugh? Well he obviously thinks that “bad behavior + time = pretending it didn’t happen and everything’s lovely.”
Well, it may be true that “tragedy + time = humor,” but it does not mean we “pretend it never happened.” Time passing does not mean that no recognition of bad acts and no apology + time means “all is well.”
I don’t hate this man, I’m not still angry at him. I have “forgiven” him, in that I do not harbor bitterness toward him, but I don’t want to associate with him, to go places with him, or have him over at my house, because I have LOST TRUST in him. While I can “forgive” him, without TRUST, there just isn’t any need for association, because being around people I don’t trust isn’t something that makes me happy.
Being a stickler
Why am I being such a stickler? It wasn’t a big deal, really. I mean, come on, it was only $56, and he just lost his temper and called you nasty names. You’re a big person, Joyce, can’t you take the “high road” and just get over it? Now that a couple of years have gone by, shouldn’t we just cool off and be friends again?
The answer is NO! I don’t want to be friends with this man, now or ever, even though he is not a psychopath, he is not dangerous, and overall most people would say he’s a pretty good guy. However, he flunked the “Ox Drover friendship test,” which consists of an apology. His apology should have had three parts:
- acknowledging that what he did in breaking the agreement was wrong,
- that he was sorry he acted like he did, that he had no right to call me ugly names, and
- that he would never act like that again.
However, because he shows no recognition that what he did was wrong, there is no (#1) He shows no remorse for what he did so there is no (#2). He is only extending his “olive branch” to me to “pretend it never happened.” And of course because there is no #1 or #2 in his “extended olive branch” there can’t be a (#3), which means that I can’t trust him to not repeat this kind of behavior. I also realize that he has a hot temper when he is crossed or disagreed with or when he gets called out on BS.
Lost trust
As the philosopher Nietzsche says “It doesn’t matter to me that you lied, what bothers me is that I now cannot believe you.”
I lost my trust in my now-ex friend that day when he broke his word, and then projected on to me the problem, then called me a liar.
At the time that happened, my boundaries with people who were “close to me” were still pretty shaky, but I was getting my “training wheels off” with boundaries and I made this one quickly and firmly and have not wavered one whit from that day.
I actually started to write a reply to him, because he isn’t a psychopath, and I thought maybe, just maybe, he would see the error of his ways. But I got to thinking about what I would write and realized I didn’t even care enough to tell him what a jerk he is.
The best part though, is I don’t even feel guilty about not replying, and I don’t wonder if I should have taken his proffered “olive branch” (sans apology).
Oxy & Skylar,
I agree there is probably a history of psychopathy or other significant personality disorders in everyone’s lineage along with a plethora of other mental illnesses/disorders.
My Dad was a nurturer (didn’t realize he was THE nurturer in our family until after he died) and one of his 5 siblings was definitely a psychopath. Even at the age of 12 he was lining his entire family up with a gun in his hand and telling them all he was going to kill them. He never did however it was quite obvious through his entire life that he was a true psychopath. The remaining siblings were somewhere in-between. Interestingly, one of my cousins recently told me she does not associate with her older brother (now in his 60’s) because he has such a “sick” sense of humor. To the best of my knowledge his father wasn’t a P but there is no question it’s in the family lineage.
Oxy, I would have been in malignant denial too if in your situation. My son is bipolar, diagnosed when he was 19, he’s now 23. Medication keeps it in check and we were even told that since it was caught at a young age he may be able to stop the meds in his late 20’s. Am hoping with all my heart that any mental health issues stop there. Especially nervous about how prevalent psycopathy is on his Dad’s side of the family with a sprinkling from my side.
Sky, I think some of the high functioning P’s do break the law it’s just that they do not get caught. My ex is a very high functioning P, his brother is also a P however not high functioning and his life is an absolute mess. I have realized they both have the same thought process, the only difference is the mask. People like my ex, they think he is a great guy and an upstanding member of the community whereas it is impossible to be within 10 feet of his brother without feeling your skin crawl….always been that way. I used to wonder why my ex would start acting mean towards me after spending time around his mother or brother, I think it all came down to the mask being dropped when with his P family members. So glad I’m away from that mess.
Have a great weekend!
~New
Dear NewBeginning,
It is a common thing for people who are psychopaths to ALSO be bi-polar and/or ADHD. My Non-psychopathic biological son is ADHD so I think he got some of the genes for problematic behavior, but he is more a JERK than a P, but I no longer have anything to do with him either. He isn’t dangerous to me or anyone else, he is just not the kind of man I want as a friend….doesn’t matter that I gave birth to him, we are adults now and he is not the kind of man I can trust to be at my back.
I wish your son luck with his bi-polar treatment and keeping it in check…
The psychopath that I refer to as the Trojan Horse psychopath, the ex convict, pedophile ex cell mate of my son Patric’s who was sent to infiltrate our family was diagnosed Bi-polar, ADHD and AntiSocial Personality Disorder by professionals….the man was and IS dangerous and sneaky. He took medication for the Bi-polar but was also a drug addict as well, so he had a plethora of diagnoses to go along with his criminal behavior.
you know what, oxy? I would love for a clinician to get on here and explain the DSM-IV.
I can’t believe somebody can have bi-polar, ADHD and ASPD. Well, actually, I can believe, it, but holy crap!
What is the point of saying “Axis 1” and “Axis 2” when you can have ALL OF THAT wrong with you?
Makes no sense to me.
I had a very yucky and pointless and brief text exchange with my ex-spath.
I said, “I don’t know if you are schizoid, depressed, bi-polar, a sociopath but I can’t stand how you lie, dodge issues, redirect, avoid me, have random sex with how many women, etc etc etc” and he came back and said this.
“I am now a married man, I REFUSE to admit my feelings for you”.
WTF.
OMG! classic dangling carrot!!
He must have lists of one liners that he keeps handy in order to make you feel like there is something just out of reach.
Carrot = “my feelings for you”. He supposedly loves you.
Slime = “I am now a married man” (gets extra points by adding the word “now” because it conveys that you missed your opportunity)
Slime = “I refuse to admit”. He is telling you that you will NEVER get this carrot.
If you look at the translations, you can see it’s all about making you envious. Here is the carrot – NOPE, you can’t have it. You missed the chance when I was divorced. You’ll never get it now because someone else has it. (attempt at triangulation with his wife) It will always be here, it’s rightfully yours because I don’t love my wife, my feelings are “for you”. But SHE has them. Aren’t you envious? Don’t you just hate her? She is like the warden, guarding my “feelings for you” and not allowing YOU to have them.
None of this is my fault, of course. I’m married now. That wasn’t my fault, it just happened. It’s probably HER fault, she stole me away from you.
yada yada yada.
So much BS in 1 short sentence. He is a HUGE EVIL SPATH.
Oxy, please pass the skillet, Athena has been feeding her spath! PLEASE, DON’T FEED THE SPATHS!
I know you are right.
What does a normal guy say? Just so I have a point of comparison?
A normal guy wouldn’t be having affairs behind his wife’s back.
Athena, my ex P would say exactly the same thing as yours did in that situation. He’s a walking encyclopedia of WTF phrases.
New Beginning
Yeah, it’s a WTF. Why is it SO DAMN EASY to see it when it’s not you, and it’s so hard when it IS you?
Athena