By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
Sometimes I have felt like I was totally alone in having a son (child) who was capable of horrible things. Sometimes I have felt like I was alone in turning my son in to police for the crimes he committed. Though the crime I turned my son in for was for theft, I still felt alone in doing so, and was criticized by people, even family members, for doing it.
However, two recent stories have ripped my heart out. I had been following the case of the missing 12 year old New Jersey girl, but the alleged murderers were caught and charged. Their mother turned them in to police. Here is the most recent news:
Teens accused of killing Clayton 12-year-old Autumn Pasquale showed two sides to town residents, on PressOfAtanticCity.com.
And then there’s the awful case from Colorado of the missing girl whose body was found dismembered:
Jessica Ridgeway murder suspect confessed to mother, sources say, on ABCNews.Go.com.
Even I can’t even imagine just what courage it took for those mothers to contact police to tell them they thought their sons were the guilty parties in such horrible crimes.
My son accused of murder
When the Sgt. Joe Decorte contacted me to tell me that my son Patrick was arrested for murdering Jessica Witt, age 17 in January 1992, I went immediately into denial. It could not be true! I locked myself in my house for three months, seeing no one except the family that lived with me and my mother and my step-father, taking no telephone calls and refusing to believe what Sgt. Decorte had told me, yet knowing it was probably true. I wished I could change places and have my son dead and the girl in jail for his murder.
Of course Patrick, when he would call me collect from the jail where he was being held, denied he had anything to do with the crime ”¦ later I found out, when I finally read the police report nearly 20 years later, that he actually gave a statement and admitted to the police that he had killed her. Even after his trial, when his attorney told me what the “evidence” against him presented at the trial was (he couldn’t tell me what Patrick had told him in confidence was), I still didn’t want to believe.
Would I, on the basis of a Facebook page, have called police? I wish I could say yes, but I’m not sure what I would have done. I do know that when I saw evidence with my own eyes that my son had stolen, I turned him in, also knowing that as a juvenile, he would only have gotten a sealed record and a “slap on the wrist” that I hoped would “scare him straight.”
Compassion
While I feel great sorrow for the parents of the murdered girls, I also feel great compassion for the mothers of the boys who allegedly committed these crimes. I feel great compassion that they were put in such situations that they were required by their own moral compasses to pick up the phone and call the police and turn in their own sons for possibly being the killers of these young girls.
No matter how “bad” our situation is, there are always those that are equally as bad, or worse. There are always others who are suffering as we suffered because of “man’s inhumanity to man,” and because of the acts of horror committed by those we love or to those we love.
Each act of evil committed by any person (psychopath or not) not only affects the actual victim, but those who loved the victim, and also by those who loved the abuser.
Right now there are approximately two million people in prison and five million on parole or probation for crimes of various levels. Statistics and research show that a high percentage of people in prison are psychopaths, or at least very high on the psychopath check list-revised. Each of those criminals has victims, and the victims have families, but the criminals also have families who are saddened or destroyed by the crimes of those they love. The waves of pain radiate out like ripples from a pebble thrown into a pond.
We are not alone in being the victims of evil people, and we are not alone if we are among those who love(d) those evil abusers.
I believe that we don’t hear about “the other victims” because it’s convenient for the law and the courts. It means less work and costs for them. It’s an easy solution and if it doesn’t always work, which obviously it doesn’t if 60% of paroles fail, then at least the powers-that-be can boast of doing something right because they can claim that 40%. The problem is that isn’t enough. It’s a huge failure rate.
Oxy mentioned that prisons like the families to be involved because it reduces recidivism. At what cost to the families? The courts and the law do not seem to care.
We are not obligated to accept the status quo. We need to remember how the law and courts have been set up for centuries. They’ve been exclusively male and those males have been educated, wealthy, and landowners ”“ in other words, the elite. Everybody else was chattel, i.e., serfs, laborers, women, and children. The courts and law were heavily skewed in favor of the monied class and still are today.
There are many warnings in the Bible about not associating with certain individuals. Unconditional love is not as unconditional as many assume. It is unconditional only when true repentance is shown and felt. Like the courts and universities, those in power via established churches and the clergy were males. The corruption and power of the church has dominated society for centuries. Go away and practice unconditional love (and stop bothering us with your needs.) The only unconditional love that they had was for themselves.
What we have now, unprecedented in history, is the Internet. Whereas in the past the poor person had to stand hat-in-hand before the law and do what the authorities told him or her, nowadays that is no longer true. Today, laws are posted online. The common man/woman is warning others via relating their experiences or knowledge.
What we have today are ways to bypass the BS being dumped upon us as true. What were the commentators saying during the third debate for President? I heard plenty of them saying that the fact checkers are going to go after that one. Have we ever heard that before? Political campaigns or commentators openly giving credence to fact checkers? Times have changed, people. It is not coming ”“ it is here and will snowball to the point where the people will not be denied. We will be heard. We can double-check and vet claims and statements, and we are.
Where did the premises that “families need to be together” and that “it is sweet when they do for everyone involved” come from? What are they based on? Where are the facts supporting these premises as true? Has anybody asked?
It seems to me they are just words to push the annoying and ugly out of one’s sight. You got problems? Go home and take care of them. You’re failing. I don’t need to deal with you.
No, children do not “need” to go to prison to visit their incarcerated parents. They can, if everyone chooses that, but to be forced to do that because the incarcerated parents have their rights? Bull.
I mentioned elsewhere on LF that we took our best guesses about how things should be socially when we moved from agrarian societies into cities and became urbanized. There were no blueprints for living like that, i.e., large numbers of constantly changing populations with little or no accountability and plenty of opportunities for doing despicable things without being found out.
We took our best guesses. We didn’t know many things.
We need to remember how unsettling all these changes were. Whether we recognized it or not, we were desperate for explanations. Our world was crazy and we wanted somebody to put it back into some sort of a predictable order.
Guess what happened? The mental health field arose. What did we do? We empowered these professionals with providing all the answers because we either didn’t want to be bothered (somebody else could do it) or they sounded like they knew what they were doing. How could we challenge their conclusions and who would do that? The field was too young to prove which things were working, failing, or were not any better than a bunch of hot air.
We did that with physicians as well. We empowered early doctors with mystical qualities and revered them for having infallible knowledge. They became little gods. We did that ”“ and we created monsters. The medical health field has come down from its ivory towers and inflated sense of self, but there is still a sick, symbiotic dynamic going on between the courts and mental health field. “Tell us why! Really, that’s why? GASP!” It’s entertainment, really. A pompous strutting that we are informed and can make the decisions best for all. It’s foolish. “Families need to be together. Parents have a right to their children. Well, most parents don’t abuse their kids.”
We sit by and believe this because that’s what the simply folk used to do when it came to judges, lawyers, and other experts. We add insult to injury by stupidly convincing ourselves that these things will never happen to us and only to other people.
This isn’t to say that all professionals behave or think in this manner. That would be preposterous. I know that they do not. There is wonderful work and research going on. There are many dedicated people trying to help, have ethics, and genuinely care about others. They’re getting burned out, discouraged, and demoralized.
They need our help. They are not better than us. They are one aspect of the solution. We provide another part of the solution by doing what we can. Our voices as bloggers, educators, and activists give them perspectives and ideas that they could never have come up with on their own. We complement them. There simply isn’t enough money and experts to slay our dragons for us. What we can do is write letters, form support groups, and educate.
Donna remarked this past week that there has suddenly been an upturn of interest in our situations by the media. I don’t find that surprising. Why? In part, look at all the true crime stories that are on cable these days and the constant news stories of the horrible crimes people are committing at random or at their loved ones. (Quick aside, maybe that term “loved ones” should be changed. Seems many times that is a misnomer.)
It’s getting worse. How many years ago was it when we recoiled seeing that several people were murdered by an irate gunman. Not that many. Today, it’s another story and what else is happening out there. It isn’t letting up so we’re numbing ourselves to it. It’s getting pretty darn difficult to keep chewing on the straw that these are freak incidents or aberrant humans who will pop up now and then, just not that often.
It isn’t working anymore to keep blaming the families. We’ve looked at those families and found many of them have been suffering in silence because society hasn’t bothered to consider what they are going through. Not all. Certainly there are warped families that take pride in their offspring harming others.
We know that Ps are everywhere. There is nothing wrong with tapping the World on its shoulder. We can tell it to wake up and see things for what they are.
The number of educated people in society, and the types of expertise and knowledge that they have access to, has never existed before.
We are at a place where we can determine which things worked and are working, and which things do not.
We are just as smart as the so-called “experts.” We do not have to buy the BS being handed down to us by elitist judges, clergy, or politicians as this is the way things are, poor simple humans; if only you had our wisdom.
Really? Is that a fact? Well, guess what? We do have the intelligence, wisdom, and experience. We know our rights. You do not have the right to push us aside or walk all over us anymore. You do not have the right to impose harm and fear on me because it is easier on your wallet or you don’t know what to do with these criminals.
If we are the ones who know firsthand what Ps can do and what they are capable of, we should be uniting our voices and offering alternatives to things that are failing humanity.
So Oxy, if you want to start a support group for parents of children who have committed horrendous crimes, don’t let the expectations of the prison stop you. They’re only looking after themselves. Your situation is not a priority of theirs. If a support group for parents of children who committed murder screws up their objectives, then they’ll need to come up with Plan B. There is no reason why innocent people should suffer because it is more convenient and less costly for them.
Not doing anything enables the faulty system to keep stumbling on. I would think it would be less of a drain on you as well if you were involved in something pro-active that helps you and others. I can’t imagine the energy it takes to fight City Hall or argue with the powers-that-be by trying to do things solo.
I’ve found the best way to support me is to gather ideas and strength from others. It helps me to hash things out and refine my thinking. Talking and meeting with others gives me and them more strength. We’ve got collective wisdom and countless years of experience as opposed to my one little lifetime and brain.
Go out and do a lot of good. Start your support group/organization. Be productive. Change your approach to fight the battle. Do a lot of good. Help and comfort others. That’s your nature. Embrace that.
Instead of facing towards prison authorities and parole experts worrying about what they want, turn the other way and focus on what is best for you and people in your situation. If you’re wrong, and you will never be wrong entirely, things will work out. Besides, it’s possible that whatever your group produces will spark ideas in the experts that they would never have come up with had it not been for your insights and efforts.
Take the risk. I bet you’ll be pretty amazed by how strong your arguments become, the love and support that you will feel, and the changes the power of your evolved, collective voices make.
20years,
I was quite sure if psycho got any custody and my daughter lived through it, CPS would’ve become involved at his first opportunity. I tried to explain to my family what my fears were and why I knew what the game was. I went to other trials like mine (one mom jumped from her car on the freeway and killed herself who had a trial and lost custody). I had researched everything about this and I knew what was going to happen and the end goal.
Nobody believed in the first year what happened and then the second year and third. It is the most isolating abuse of power. Every mother I know who has been in court with a spath/psycho, has ended up with the CPS nightmare also. It’s one of the tools to obtain sole custody against a mother. There is no due process in family courts. They rape the constitution as they rape us.
Wow G1S,
Would we have ever heard your very valid point of view had it not been for the internet and Donna putting this group together to bring our voices and experiences together? Thank you Donna.
I agree with much if not all of what you are saying.
I would also like to point out that I have backchecked several “experts” who CAN be called to testify for or against you if you are ever found to need one and many have falsified credentials from diploma mills, certifications from false credentialling programs for a fee (I think $350 on average) and if you don’t believe me, look up Emad Tadros from California. He had his cat Zoe (Zoe D Katz) obtain the same credentials the man who decided the fait of his child in his custody case (I am NOT kidding)!! He has exposed this openly and that cat even got a credit card and had a resume showing the cat worked with children at the Tacayllaermai Institute for Children or something like that. Now look at the name of the institute, “I am really a cat” spelled backwards!!!! This is a true horrifying story verfiable online. They did everything in CA to shut Tadros UP! These money mongers are sociopaths!
Emad Tadros is a psychiatrist from the Scripts Institute. Check it out!
We do need to grab control of what we can and know the psychology business has infiltrated religion also. The phony pastor from my family court case, I met at an Assembly of God church and in researching them, I found them to be running very similarly to the family courts. I thought religion didn’t believe in psychology but now our tax dollars are paying anyone (can get ordained online and call yourself Lovefraud religion) who is ‘faith based’ grant money to teach us all how to act right and they already take the publics money tax free in tithings!! Our country would not be broke if not for this slimy business going on.
I DO BELIEVE IN LEGITIMATE PSYCHOLOGY.
I hope OxD gets something going for these parents of the murderer even if she helps it into existence. It very well could be the opportunity to find answers others who are book read can’t up with.
Eralyn,
I think our spiritual beliefs can evolve over time, as lessons are learned and paradigms are split open. At this time, I pretty much accept that each challenge I go through comes with a corresponding gift of equal measure to the suffering I had to go through.
The CPS stuff ended about a year ago with their finding me “neglectful unsubstantiated” which means I have this on “my record” until my youngest kids are 20 years old (4 years from now). I was told by the CPS lawyer that I should just go away and be glad that they didn’t take my kids away.
Well….. I feel horrible that I have this TOTALLY UNTRUE smear upon my “file.” I want my name cleared. This is like a slime, or a smear, or a taint, or monkeys throwing poop at me that I can’t wash off.
I know that it is. At the same time…. I have chosen to just sit back and wait this out until my youngest are 20.
I know that with this in the file, my ex-spath could if he wants to, open up the case again with a simple phone call.
But I am gambling that he won’t.
I want peace for myself and my children. I am choosing NOT to work WITH other people’s children at this point, because it hurts too much, just the thought that a potential employer could do a background check on me and turn up this “file” full of lies on me. The thought of it picks at the scab — I’m not quite healed. I want to heal.
So I’m concentrating on getting my girls through their last 2 years of high school. Once they are 18, CPS can’t take them away anymore. But I will still have this stupid false allegation/”finding” on my record for 2 more years!!!! What a stupid, stupid system we have.
Anyway…. I’m choosing to view it as they can’t hurt me without my permission. And I’m not giving them permission. I’m going to just live my life, do the gray rock with my ex, teach my girls how to be strong and love life, and focus on what’s most important.
At this time, “fighting” is not what is most important to me.
Even though there is great injustice which needs champions… for today, and the next two years, my focus is going to be on finishing raising my girls.
I also cross my fingers and hope that the spath doesn’t decide to do anything stupid.
I still don’t think he knows how tough I am. I am like steel now, I am so tough. Paradoxically, THIS is the gift I got from this experience. (LOL: the gift of STEEL)
20years,
I know moms who’s biggest problem is moving forward from a completely degrading family court file full of lies they want to be cleared of. I have explained they could be an actual saint and it wouldn’t happen.
One mom in particular spent $250,000 + in family court divorce with custody of 2 girls. It’s still listed as parent alienation and the mom has a difficult time accepting it will STAY that way. You get beaten down so much that you submit and survival and healing become the priority. They beat your beliefs right out of you.
I remember thinking it was ludicrous that I had to pay $2,500 to retain a lawyer and take a parenting class for a child who was 10 that I raised single handedly, was on the honor roll and well rounded by all accounts. I have now spent $30,000-40,000 I don’t even know where I got it. This lesson was an assault on my core being.
I understand your position. I am in your position of hoping it’s a cease fire and you’ll get to the end of your sentence at the 18th b-day of the last child.
That documentary will be hand delivered in January of 2013 and I sent a 3 minute description of my case. They say they can do a video onine to include in the movie if you contact Bill Windsor of Lawless America. Safe Kids International is also calling for moms for the media to give a timeline of what happened to them. My daughter put her view of reunification on there. It;s the one that says “Real Weapons Of Mass Destruction”…..in case you’re interested. 🙂
Hang in there “made of steel” should be your log in name…..lol
I looked at “Lawless america dot com” and it had a message up from google “this site may be compromised” and I looked at the message and it said the site may have been hacked. I really don’t know what this means but you might want to be careful with that site.
OxD,
Great! This guy Bill Windsor has gone all around the US in his own vehicle to the capitals of the states and filmed hundreds if not a thousand people who have been harmed by the judicial system. There have been mothers who have lost their children to documented abusers, homeowners who lost their homes in the mortage scam, families who were scammed out of their families inheritance and the list goes on. He had a recording of a judge calling himself God and confronted that judge so I don’t doubt his site has been hacked.
I was dealing with an investigative jounalist, Keith Harmon Snow, who’s email kept getting hacked too. I guess that’s how they try to stop these guys from going forward in their reporting of wrong doing.
Mr. Snow wrote an article after a 5 month investigation of family courts http://www.consciousbeingalliance.com/.
If you scroll down you’ll see a report on the basic corruption of the family court and another report in Maine, Lori Handrahans case which I followed and emailed with Mr. Snow after his intial report on family courts which is a bit farther down. I watched her case and read all the transcripts as they stole her daughter…. I don’t know how this guy stays positive doing what he does for a living. Lori uncovered a lot of child trafficking.
They need a cable program about these kinds of situations.
If they can so many about murder and fraud, they should have at least one about how people are getting screwed in court and what exactly goes on there.
A program based on real cases. Not a Judge Judy or whoever mouthing off.
They could feature people like Bill Windsor and Mr. Snow.
G1S,
Those greedy arsholes who are on the court rosters would be dumb enough to sign up for a reality TV series if there’s money in it!! Think about it…….It could be called “reunification in XYZ”. Get who I call the “dirty dozen” in my state to sign up. Heck they have the flashy cars and pllaaaaastic surgery so they’re good to go. They’re so sick they don’t seem to think they’re doing anything wrong. Just show them the $$ they’ll sign.
You know what’s his name, Andy Cohen who does bravo housewives loves casting drama reality when they least expect it.
Well, here is another article about the guy who killed Jessica Ridgeway, he is suspected in other attempted abductions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223848/Jessica-Ridgeway-murder-Austin-Sigg-questioned-suspect-unsolved-child-enticement-cases.html
What a scumbucket he is, but I do feel for his mother as well as the mother of the girl he killed