I’m going to address a disturbing subject: the motives, the thinking, of men who eliminate—yes, who murder—their partners.
But first a caveat: Females also sometimes eliminate their partners and share, I suspect, similar mindsets and motives with male murderous eliminators.
And so what I write, here, applies, I suspect, across gender lines.
One other caveat—when I use the term “eliminate,” as you might suspect, I’m excluding killings in self-defense, of passion, and as responses to insufferable abuse. This will be apparent as the discussion unfolds.
Last, by “eliminate,” I refer to two possible means of disposing of a partner—by one’s own hands, or by outsourcing the job.
So let’s hit the ground running: Why would a man murderously eliminate his partner? Here’s the short, but surprisingly complete, answer: He’d eliminate her because he perceives that she’s in his way.
That is, he experiences her as an unacceptable obstruction; and he concludes, eventually, that the only solution is to remove, to eliminate, the obstruction (her).
In the mind of the murderous eliminator, the partner to be eliminated is impeding something very important to him; something that feels vital to his selfish interests; something that promises him gratification that he must have; and something to which he feels strongly, compellingly entitled.
These factors of his thinking, in combination, support and groom his eliminationist mindset.
The idea that he should be denied access to what he wants feels wrong, intolerable. Worse, it feels like an injustice. And so he grows to resent, increasingly, the obstructive entity (his partner); and increasingly, he rationalizes the validity of his growing resentment.
The murderous partner believes, in his entitlement, that he is meant to have this “something,” this “experience” that he covets, as if destiny has promised it.
Consequently, whatever or whoever stands in his way assumes antagonistic, hostile properties, further supporting his rationalization that the obstruction (or obstructor!) isn’t just an inconvenient nuisance, but worse, malignantly undermining.
And so he develops a warped, almost paranoid view that the thwarting factor is inimical to the fulfillment of his agenda. This is a view that supports his inwardly germinating position that he is justified, if necessary, to remove the source of the interference.
It follows, then, that for the murderous eliminator, his partner isn’t just an object to him, which, of course, she entirely is; more than that, she is an object that is in the way of his getting something he’s determined to have, and to which, by now, as I’ve suggested, he feels completely, even desperately, entitled.
I repeat: the combination of these attitudes conspires to ripen his receptivity to the budding idea, to the cold-logic necessity, of eliminating his partner, if this is what’s necessary to ensure his access to what he covets and believes deeply is his right to possess.
Consider the archetypal case of the man who eliminates his spouse to end up with his mistress. In this scenario, from the murderous eliminator’s perspective, the spouse impedes, obstructs his access to his mistress.
Because he is desperate to have his mistress, and because his desperation is inextricable from his sense of entitlement, he experiences his spouse’s existence as less than merely a frustrating inconvenience than as a threat to his determination, capacity and right to possess what he feels he must, and deserves to, have (his mistress).
I’ve used the word threat carefully. Remember, threats must be trouble-shot. Whenever anything, in our minds, reaches a level of threat, we feel justified to act to remove it. This is a normal, and not necessarily sociopathic, reaction.
However the sociopath, in his abject narcissism, will experience limits to, constraints on, the gratification he is pursuing as threats! He will feel outraged, if not enraged, at circumstances that interfere with his pursuit of intensely coveted gratifications.
In his mind, these obstructions are perceived as threatening.
I stress: he will perceive these obstructions not just as the unwelcome, inconvenient life interferences with which most of us, grudgingly, come to terms; rather, from his more paranoid, grandiose perspective, he’ll perceive them as personal threats to his right to feel gratified in the way that he wants to feel gratified.
For the murderous eliminator, nothing must interfere with his plan—in this case, to clear a path to his mistress!
There may be children involved. He may spare the children if he thinks they won’t obstruct his plans. If this is the case, it may be enough to eliminate only their mother, who is in the way, while sparing the youngsters, who may not be.
To be clear, his decision to spare the children is made easier if he perceives that, in so doing, he isn’t jeopardizing his access to his mistress, the paramount consideration.
Conversely, it’s possible that he may deem the children, too, and not just their mother, as irremediable obstacles, in which case they, too, will be perceived as threats.
In this case he may feel the need and, on a twisted level, the right, to eliminate them as well.
This is all morbid stuff, of course, but we know that it happens. But who thinks like this? What kind of individual thinks like this? Most sociopaths don’t murder their spouses, or eliminate their families, to be with a mistress.
At the same time, only a sociopath is capable of conceiving, and executing, such a calculated, callous, coldblooded, selfish, murderous plan.
The thing is also that if we express any CONCEPT that the psychopaths MIGHT KILL US, or even that they HAVE TRIED AND FAILED, so many people will TRIVALIZE OUR FEARS or Outright call us “nut cases.” I think that was what put me over the Edge the day I ran into the egg donor in Wally World because she TRIVALIZED what had happened “I don’t believe any of that” UGH!!!! The “minister of the Gospel” who I thought might talk to my egg donor, same thing “I don’t see any threat to your life”—UGH!!!!! But I should’a known with him, the guy is a self-righteout narcissist to start with, so BOINK ME for getting any hope up on his part! I’m suprised that the guy isn’t passing out Kool-Aid for communion at his church! (Oh, Oxy, that was a TACKY thing to say! hee hee)
But yes, it is frustrating to me that people can’t see that “just cause you are paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you.”
Yes, I am armed, but I CAUTION others who have not got a history with gun use and safety to think THREE TIMES before you get one. You can’t be looking down the sights of one at your would be killer and AT THAT TIME try to make up your mind whether or not you can pull the trigger. You have got to KNOW IN ADVANCE before you get the gun what you will do if you are ever in that situation. YOU CANNOT HESITATE ONE SECOND.
I know it is difficult to believe that YOUR psychopath, husband, x husband, wife, sibling, child, etc. is CAPABLE of murder. I know when I found out that P-son had actually killed that girl in cold blood, I was shocked. I think in a way I am really just now coming to grips totally with the AWFULNESS of what he did.
I can identify with my perception of what Joran’s mother might be going through with her son. I also can identify withh the frustration of Natalie’s mother and the parents of the girl from Peru. HOW MANY LIVES WASTED because of a stone cold killer? How many lives did my son destroy or alter forever?
Though sometimes I may sound like the little boy crying WOLF!!! I KNOW FOR A FACT there IS a wolf out there! He is not going to go away. He is not going to quit hunting and lie by the fire licking his grandmother’s hand, and he is RABID! It is frustrating!
Hey EB :
Yes – birds of a feather certainly comes to mind . His business books are as fake as can be as pointed out somewhat by forensics and he doesn’t even flinch at the mention of it.
Me – I still don’t need to bury him financially just to get back at him – just want what’s fair.
N on the other hand – greedy , liar, selfish bastard.
Anything he takes from me he takes from his kids too.
Steve,
Insightful and STONE COLD sobering.
Thanks once more.
The thing is……
Death doesn’t happen to people over and over and over ….like abuse. It’s a one time deal…..and only THEN does it wake people up.
Society turns a blind eye to abuse…..and even the word abuse.
So to say to someone….I think he will kill…..until they do…..it’s ‘invalid’ to them.
Death is final! Period!
Most people don’t associate with murderers (willingly) and murder is something so ‘out there’ that it’s just too hard to wrap our head around.
I think the ‘cry’s are always heard through filters…..paranoia.
When your the target…..it does us no good to ‘wait around’ to ‘see’ what comes of this fear.
ErinBrock,
You and Oxy both have my sympathy, being aware of your experiences via LF. Never would I trivialize anyone’s fears, knowing what I know now. You two have been to hell and back. See ya, I’m going to go turn the sprinkler on for the kids.
What infuriates me is that socios are so skillful at posing as the VICTIM, that it makes it even more difficult for the REAL VICTIMS to come forward, and for their accounts to be believed.
I think that’s why people don’t take other people’s legitimate fears seriously.
Sociopaths are pathological liars, so it’s very difficult for an outside observer to differentiate fact from fiction.
Close friends and family are even bamboozled sometimes.
And, like Erin Brock says, “Death is final!”
So, if you are waiting to see some actual evidence that someone might be a murderer, it’s probably going to be too late.
If your GUT is telling you that someone is capable of killing (or having thoughts of killing), they probably are.
So, take the necessary precautions for yourself.
Girl….we’ve ALL been to hell and back!!!!
And you know what……we WILL survive!!!!
🙂
Yes, that is the thing DEATH IS SO FINAL! And if I am wrong and he doesn’t try to kill me, I have just taken precautions, but IF I AM RIGHT and he DOES KILL ME, there is a BIG penalty for you being wrong that “he’s not reallyy gonna kill you”—BUT I AM THE ONE WHO PAYS THE PENALTY.
BlueJay, ErinB and I are not “more victimized” than anyone else on here, just maybe a BIT DIFFERENT but believe me TOTAL PAIN is TOTAL….and everyone who is a victim of a psychopath has known TOTAL PAIN!
Yes, the DISORDERED PERSON POSING AS A VICTIM gives REAL victims a “bad name” sort of like “99% of lawyers give the other 1% a bad name.” (Sorry Matt, I couldn’t help it!) LOL
Last year I took in a “homeless” woman who was posing as a victim. She was living in a tiny motor home. She was bright, articulate and well educated and she was a PSYCHOPATH POSING AS A VICITIM. I gave her a place to park her tiny motor home safely. I didn’t take her to “raise” and I wasn’t responsible for feeding her or paying her expenses. Didn’t cost me anything to let her park here.
But it wasn’t long before she was THE most pitiful person in the entire universe and she needed my “help” for this or that and she would cry and wail because she ahd stuff in storage that she couldn’t pay the storage rent on. Never directly asked me for the money to pay for it, but STRONGLY hinting about it. And on and on and on and on.
Finally I realized that this woman was a USER and that her tales of abuse from multiple psychopaths in the past didn’t add up, and they KEPT CHANGING, and NOTHING WAS EVER HER FAULT, she COULD NOT HAVE SEEN ANY RED FLAGS because though she would describe how he/she/they abused her over and over somehow she never saw that as a red flag, so HOW COULD SHE, SUCH AN INNOCENT VICTIM, HAVE PROTECTED HERSELF?
This went on until I finally said to myself “WAKE UP OXY!” and I told her as kindly as I could that she had NOT utilized the respite I had given her and the safety I had given her to find a job, or to benefit herself in any way or to approach self determination by providing for herself.
Immediately she morphed into a person who accused me of abusing her trust and misusing her and not helping her. I was just another of the horrible abusers who had used her like a diaper, OH WOE IS HER! Besides, she probably had cancer and I wouldn’t take her to a doctor and she had a tooth ache and I woujldn’t help her get to a dentist. (I had offered to get her into both a free clinic and a free dental clinic as soon as she had arrived which she had decllined.)
I was fortunate with this woman, she didn’t take me for anything and I kept my CLINICAL DISTANCE from her emotionally, and it was a good thing. I didn’t try to FIX this woman, I gave her some opportunities, which she chose to NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of. When I saw she was NOT going to take advantage of these opportunities I suggested she move on down the road. I did NOT get emotionally involved with her, and I did not let her projections about me abusing her sink in at all. I actually stood there while she was flinging these accusations at me, probably feeling like some psychopaths do, it was NOT REACHING MY HEART. I KNEW BETTER. I did not start to SELF DOUBT or give creedence to the lies she was telling. I am QUITE PROUD of myself on this score. I am able to validate my own judgments of others by how they behave without getting emotionally attached to every one of them.
I LEARNED A GREAT DEAL about setting boundaries both physical, financial and emotional with people AND THAT IS A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE for me.
I no longer need EXTERNAL validation of my feelings, my thinking or my actions that are involved with SELF PRESERVATION. Since it is MY life on the line, I take responsibility for protecting it and I don’t feel foolish in doing so. I won’t let anyone else’s opinions trivalize my decisions.
We all laughed at ErinB and teased her about digging in her yard to find out what her x buried there, but she KNEW we were teasing her, and they tease me about being a pistol packing old biddy but I know that it is teasing and I am perfectly content to let them carry on and have a good laugh. That’s what FRIENDS DO, but I also know that when the rubber meets the road, they know we all have to do what we have to do to protect ourselves and (if applicable) our kids. Those are the things WE are responsible for. That is all we are responsible for. So if my son manages to get me killed, it won’t be because I didn’t try to protect myself because someone else told me I was “crazy” for thinking my darling son was gonna try to kill me! LOL
Oxy: A email/phone therapist I had, who is no longer in practice it seems, sent me an email a long time ago, that said what attracted me was the “intensity” of the relationship. I think she meant the strong feelings, the ups and downs. It is a word that Sandra Brown uses a lot and I was asking because I’m not sure what therapists mean. I’m just guessing it is the drama. And I’m guessing that it hooks us more easily if we are sort of bored…
Dear Never,
I think you are right, the INTENSENESS of the encounter is EXCITING for us. When they are doing the LOVE BOMBING of us it is very exciting, we feel so special, so wonderful, so sexy, and they are mirroring back to us the very things we would like to think about ourselves—it is like winning the Miss America contest and the LOTTO all at once! It is everything we could dream up, we are CINDERELLA!
Problem is, the same thing happens to us that happened to her, at midnight, just when we are hooked, our coach turns in to a pumpkin, but ALSO our prince turns into a PSYCHOPATH! LOL He sure “ain’t no knight on a while horse!”