I’m going to address a disturbing subject: the motives, the thinking, of men who eliminate—yes, who murder—their partners.
But first a caveat: Females also sometimes eliminate their partners and share, I suspect, similar mindsets and motives with male murderous eliminators.
And so what I write, here, applies, I suspect, across gender lines.
One other caveat—when I use the term “eliminate,” as you might suspect, I’m excluding killings in self-defense, of passion, and as responses to insufferable abuse. This will be apparent as the discussion unfolds.
Last, by “eliminate,” I refer to two possible means of disposing of a partner—by one’s own hands, or by outsourcing the job.
So let’s hit the ground running: Why would a man murderously eliminate his partner? Here’s the short, but surprisingly complete, answer: He’d eliminate her because he perceives that she’s in his way.
That is, he experiences her as an unacceptable obstruction; and he concludes, eventually, that the only solution is to remove, to eliminate, the obstruction (her).
In the mind of the murderous eliminator, the partner to be eliminated is impeding something very important to him; something that feels vital to his selfish interests; something that promises him gratification that he must have; and something to which he feels strongly, compellingly entitled.
These factors of his thinking, in combination, support and groom his eliminationist mindset.
The idea that he should be denied access to what he wants feels wrong, intolerable. Worse, it feels like an injustice. And so he grows to resent, increasingly, the obstructive entity (his partner); and increasingly, he rationalizes the validity of his growing resentment.
The murderous partner believes, in his entitlement, that he is meant to have this “something,” this “experience” that he covets, as if destiny has promised it.
Consequently, whatever or whoever stands in his way assumes antagonistic, hostile properties, further supporting his rationalization that the obstruction (or obstructor!) isn’t just an inconvenient nuisance, but worse, malignantly undermining.
And so he develops a warped, almost paranoid view that the thwarting factor is inimical to the fulfillment of his agenda. This is a view that supports his inwardly germinating position that he is justified, if necessary, to remove the source of the interference.
It follows, then, that for the murderous eliminator, his partner isn’t just an object to him, which, of course, she entirely is; more than that, she is an object that is in the way of his getting something he’s determined to have, and to which, by now, as I’ve suggested, he feels completely, even desperately, entitled.
I repeat: the combination of these attitudes conspires to ripen his receptivity to the budding idea, to the cold-logic necessity, of eliminating his partner, if this is what’s necessary to ensure his access to what he covets and believes deeply is his right to possess.
Consider the archetypal case of the man who eliminates his spouse to end up with his mistress. In this scenario, from the murderous eliminator’s perspective, the spouse impedes, obstructs his access to his mistress.
Because he is desperate to have his mistress, and because his desperation is inextricable from his sense of entitlement, he experiences his spouse’s existence as less than merely a frustrating inconvenience than as a threat to his determination, capacity and right to possess what he feels he must, and deserves to, have (his mistress).
I’ve used the word threat carefully. Remember, threats must be trouble-shot. Whenever anything, in our minds, reaches a level of threat, we feel justified to act to remove it. This is a normal, and not necessarily sociopathic, reaction.
However the sociopath, in his abject narcissism, will experience limits to, constraints on, the gratification he is pursuing as threats! He will feel outraged, if not enraged, at circumstances that interfere with his pursuit of intensely coveted gratifications.
In his mind, these obstructions are perceived as threatening.
I stress: he will perceive these obstructions not just as the unwelcome, inconvenient life interferences with which most of us, grudgingly, come to terms; rather, from his more paranoid, grandiose perspective, he’ll perceive them as personal threats to his right to feel gratified in the way that he wants to feel gratified.
For the murderous eliminator, nothing must interfere with his plan—in this case, to clear a path to his mistress!
There may be children involved. He may spare the children if he thinks they won’t obstruct his plans. If this is the case, it may be enough to eliminate only their mother, who is in the way, while sparing the youngsters, who may not be.
To be clear, his decision to spare the children is made easier if he perceives that, in so doing, he isn’t jeopardizing his access to his mistress, the paramount consideration.
Conversely, it’s possible that he may deem the children, too, and not just their mother, as irremediable obstacles, in which case they, too, will be perceived as threats.
In this case he may feel the need and, on a twisted level, the right, to eliminate them as well.
This is all morbid stuff, of course, but we know that it happens. But who thinks like this? What kind of individual thinks like this? Most sociopaths don’t murder their spouses, or eliminate their families, to be with a mistress.
At the same time, only a sociopath is capable of conceiving, and executing, such a calculated, callous, coldblooded, selfish, murderous plan.
Okay….stop it! You know the gig….live and learn! And the learn part has served me well!!! 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T1h7J0R-Q
(BTW….that’s me and you dancing….if you don’t remember)
In regards to making a case …
As the last few months of the event described was happening to me, I didn’t understand what was going on but thought that I was either: 1) going crazy or 2) my husband was trying to hurt me. Since I was trapped in the situation, my tactic was to start recording conversations between us so that I could have something that would help me figure out what my ‘problem’ was or gain greater insight into the situation.
Unexpectedly, during the time I was recording things, my husband came to feel that he was nearing ‘success’ (had brought me to the brink of suicide) and felt safe bragging to me about his whole plan/what was going to happen. In fact, he thought that doing so would traumatize me so much that it would likely help things along and/or even speed them up.
As a result, I have a few hours of a detailed audio confession describing his tactics for psychologically torturing me over the previous years (allowing him to abuse me without my knowledge and get others to participate in making me think I was crazy) as well as his plan for holding me in isolation and pushing me into suicide (because this was the best way to cover his tracks while eliciting sympathy from people who would then be glad to see him move forward with a mistress – nobody would judge him since his spouse had been crazy, right?). There is no question left unanswered.
Unfortunately, I live in a two party state for recordings. Even though the recordings prove his attempt to take my life, he feels confident that these recordings will never see the light of day and that it’s *me* that has violated his civil rights. In addition, the recordings are likely inadmissible in court. Without them, however, it’s much more difficult to prove such a very convoluted and unconscionable act, although perhaps his recent formal diagnosis as a psychopath is helpful?
It just doesn’t seem like the justice system can help me or the situation at all and might even make my husband more dangerous, but I figure it’s worth asking for your opinions. I know I’m not the only woman this has happened to, but I may be the only one with the documentation to prove it. If this is simply impossible to prove, however, it just goes to show how clever and patient my ex was and solidifies what he told me (on recording) with glee — That “out of the many ways to inflict death on someone, this is the best.” The perfect crime.
Perhaps the most important point for me is that I did not die. I did not choose to take my life. Even when placed in an entirely hopeless situation and forced to endure increasing levels of trauma, I could not be forced into suicide. My will to live was stronger. This helped me keep my head together and to keep trying to find a way to inform others so they could help me. This is what saved my life. In my case, we do not have to rely on a coroner or even my word to establish an “attempted murder by coerced suicide.” In fact, I wouldn’t have even known or believed it without his articulate explanation and actions taken (although now, of course, he says he was ‘confused’ at the time and was ‘off his rocker’ — too bad on the recording he says this is what he could say to convince everyone it was all a big mistake. whoops.)
For the time being, I’m focusing on myself and my healing. Given that I have to live in hiding, it’s going very slowly and there is almost no help for victims of this kind of experience. Months of therapy have gotten me nowhere. While the recordings were what saved my life previously, they now place me directly in harm’s way as he perceives them to be the only irrefutable evidence of his true nature (he feels confident that he can convince everyone/future psychiatrists out of the diagnosis otherwise). As a result, I know I’ll have to deal with the aforementioned event in some manner to protect myself (somehow?), but do not feel strong or safe enough to do so and have no confidence in the justice system.
All I want to do is forget what’s happened and hide from the world, but also know that I’ll be devastated if my silence enables him to harm others (or more likely, gives him the opportunity to finish what he started and finally kill me). Then again, it certainly seems that my death may be the only thing that causes anyone to recognize the pressing urgency of a situation like this or (attempt to) impose some form of accountability on my husband.
One more thing – For more information on this topic, I highly suggest the book, “Erased: Missing Women and Murdered Wives” by Marilee Strong. Her blog posting “Why They Kill” (May 4, 2008) is very relevant: http://marileestrong.blogspot.com/
She describes men that commit these acts as having a very unique ‘dark triad’ profile, which enables them to carry out their nefarious plans fairly successfully. Moreso, she describes the challenges of prosecuting these men since they typically exploit loopholes of the law designed to protect personal privacy to get away with their crimes.
Dear Comesthedawn,
I’m glad you were suspicioius enough to record these things, and thoughy they may NOT be admissible in court as evidence—and they ALSO might. I think I would gto talk to the prosecuting attorney and let him/her listen anyway. THEY GIVE YOU absolute CLOSURE about WHAT he is and what he had planned. So you don’t have to worry one bit a bout “have I got it worng?” YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!
I have letters proving my P son’s attempts at controling our family and family finances and trying to prove I am “crazy” (for a while I was CRAZY but not suicidal!)
Keep on reading here and learning and rfeading some more there are over 700 great articles here Take it systematically and READ EVERY ONE! God bless, glad you landed here instead of at the fooot of a cliff!
s
Comesthedawn:
Good for you for having the wherewithall to record.
I know the feeling of being told your crazy and starting to question yourself……this leads to recording everything.
I’m also glad your SAFE!!!! #1!
I remember being messed with by my family also…..they all said…..I had said or done things I NEVER would have said or done.
It was like a dribble…..spath started it…..then kids, then family…….
I recoreded everything after that. It was to prove to myself that I never said those things…..and I DIDN”T!!!
I know the crazy making feeling well!
It was also what ‘saved’ me…..What kids did when they came back after being kidnapped…..said that I had said etc….I replayed the tapes for them……they were shocked!!!
I think Oxy was right with the Stockholm Syndrom with the kids.
It proved to me…..NEVER NEVER NEVER discount my gut and ‘what’ I KNOW about myself. NEVER doubt myself!
Is this man your EX or Soon to be EX?
Or are you still married?
Is he facing any current criminal action?
Since it’s on recording…..(legal or not)….I am not sure it would hurt to play it for a DA.
How does he know you have these recordings?
Again, I;m glad your safe and educating yourself about what you lived.
Knowledge= Power.
I decided during my radiation and my kids were gone (kidnapped) and I was very, very, very low…….my health was failing in way I never imagined at 39, could barely walk from my strokes and was facing a possible brain surgery…..then cancer…….I MADE THE DECISION…..
YOU CAN”T KILL ME!!! I AM NOT AFRAID OF DYING!!!
I remember that exact moment very clearly! taking away the ultimate fear……of dying…..death….finality……
there was nothing else that could scare me…..
Fighting a spath during this time was horrid…..but it was what gave me the strength to beat the shit out of him in court…..rise up…..take my life back, protect my kids…..take care of My health…….and do whatever it was that I had to do…..FOR ME!!!
I call it developing my ‘[fuck you’ attitide…..and that has carried me through!
It became all about ME! I wasn’t going to let him kill me…..through suicide, emotional torutre, medical illness from stress or shoot me upside the head…….
FUCK YOU….YOU CAN”T HURT ME….because I am NOT afraid of dying!
That was when my empowerment hit me! Right then…..the pendulum came my way!
I educated myself on Divorcing a spath….the legal side of it…..I educated myself on surviving cancer and the best treatments……and I educated myslef on how to protect my kids from this man…..how to dig my business, he buried, out of the gutter and KEEP all assets I had worked my life for.
Educating myself and makiing decisions was the key.
Strategizing and learning…..and having NO BOUNDARIES when it came to what I would do to protect myself on ALL levels from the spath.
I continue today…..3 years later……to keep my legal ground with spath…..expose him for what he is……and NOW….his behaviors are showing to the world…..and I am validated.
It takes time…..but the light ALWAYS comes through!
I did it!
YOU and ANYONE OF US CAN TOO!!!!
I am no different than anyone of us…..we all have it in us……
So…..I can tell with the questions your asking…..and the place you have described…….YOU WILL BE OKAY TOO!!!!!
Don’t let the fear paralyze you……develop YOUR ‘fu$% you’ attitude girl…..and take your life back!!!!!!!
Stick around……I want to know how your doing!
XXOO
EB
Read this thread with much interest.
I’d like to suggest reading The Edge Effect, a blog by James Knoll, MD. He is a psychiatrist who works with this population.
Here’s one of his posts on analyzing threats from stalkers:
http://wwwedgeeffect.blogspot.com/2009/04/analyzing-threats-forensic.html
While his topics in this post don’t correspond exactly with the subject of this blog, he gives tremendous insight into the mind, the thought patterns, of the offenders.
Dear Trophy, thanks for the link, and welcome to LF.
Oxy!
I’M back!
Do you know who this is?
OxDrover,
Thank you so much for the encouragement.
You’re absolutely right. I’m incredibly lucky to have confirmation of my “gut instincts” and still be alive. It was the previous disparity between my husband’s image and my intuitive feelings of fear that kept me unsettled and confused. To be honest, though, I still find the truth so bizarre and unbelievably horrible that I struggle accepting it (even though I know it’s right).
It’s much easier to blame myself for not leaving sooner. But even though I increasingly felt like I was in danger in the situation, there was little evidence to support this. Everyone (including our marriage counselor) kept telling me that I was “hypersensitive” or insinuated that I was psychologically unbalanced. They told me that I was ruining the relationship, so I kept working harder and harder while it got worse. I really did start feeling “crazy.”
Even though I now have confirmation of the truth, it has been very traumatizing to see that those who dismissed my concerns are now choosing to hold firmly to those views and rise up to protect my husband, despite now having direct evidence of his ill intent towards me (and even them!). I’ve found Judith Herman’s explanation of this phenomenon the most helpful (“Trauma and Recovery”). Does this ring true for any of you as well?
“It is very tempting to take the side of the perpetrator. All the perpetrator asks is that the bystander do nothing. He appeals to the universal desire to see, hear and speak no evil. The victim, on the contrary, asks the bystander to share the burden of pain. The victim demands action, engagement, and remembering.
In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. Secrecy and silence are the perpetrator’s first line of defense. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure that no one listens. To this end, he marshals an impressive array of arguments, from the most blatant denial to the most sophisticated and elegant rationalization.
After every atrocity one can expect to hear the same predictable apologies: it never happened; the victim lies; the victim exaggerates; the victim brought it upon herself; and in any case it is time to forget the past and move on. The more powerful the perpetrator, the greater is his prerogative to name and define reality, and the more completely his arguments prevail.”
Fight another day, “Banana?” LOL
Comesthedawn, Welcome to LF and your take on the “disbelief” of the ones around us is SO RIGHT ON. It is called the CRAZY MAKING and GASLIGHTING. I recommend the book “The Gaslight Effect” even if you are aware of what gaslighting is, (I was) it was still VERY informative and helps you to realize there is still a lot of it that went on that you missed. The other one I recommend is “Stalking the Soul” more about gaslighting and emotional abuse and twisting reality. Again, gained a great deal of information on these subjects. I’ve been buying up copies of both of these books and sending to friends. (WHO BTW are very appreciative and informed) One is a 14 year old girl who can’t wait to turn 18 so she can get a RESTRAINING ORDER against her mother!
This child has a P for a father and a BPD for a mother (frequent suicide gestures and histrionics) and a BPD for a step mother. Fortunately she has a paternal grandmother who loves her very much and has essentially raised her.
The thing I am FINALLY coming to grips with is that I no longer give a large wharf rat’s behind what others think about me. There was a time when I felt like i had to DEFEND my reputation, to make sure these deluded people saw and believed the truth. NOW, so what? I can validate MYSELF, them not believing me doesn’t change anything.
Back when it was PC to believe the world was FLAT, and everyone believed it was flat, it DID NOT CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THE WORLD. Others not beliving me does not change the TRUTH.