By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hi Eden and Sky,
hope you had a good weekend.
I wish if some of us stayed in the same city, we could have met often and our healing may have been at a faster pace.
Yet, this LF site is life saving and posters here are just so kind and concerned.
have not seen LL for 2 days.
Hi Sky,
thanks for you advice. I read about the slime and stench they leave and how hard it is for us to wash it off. we will do it for sure and bring back the fragrance in our life.
petite
Dear Findingmyself ~ OK so you had a slip. It’s good that you are back at LF.
Today is a new day. Begin again with NC. You know that it will get easier, but first you need to make it through the hard part. Breaking the chains that are holding you back.
Remember, YOU are so worth the effort it takes to get him OUT of your system!
You can do it!! (((hugs)))
Petite,
I wish the same. if you move to seattle, I’ll visit often! 🙂
Ravenless tower,
it sounds like your spath and mine were exactly alike: they KNEW that EVIL is the basis of their souls. One day, while trying to be supportive, I said to my spath, “Honey, Jesus tells us not to throw our pearls before swine.” After that, he kept repeating it over and over, telling me not to throw my pearls before swine. It really struck a chord with him. It was a tell. Another thing that he repeated was when I said that George Bush was AUDACIOUS. After that, he kept trying to say the word Audacity, but he couldn’t say it right, so he would say ORDACITY. LOL. One valentines day, he gave me a CD by a band, The Cardigans, with the song, “Love Fool”. Another tell. I just could not get it because I could not imagine it.
There are many clues, which looking back, tell me that he not only KNEW what he was doing, but was convinced that he was possessed by the devil. What an imbecile. A personality disorder which leaves you stuck in emotional retardation is not possession. It only feels like possession because it ties back into the “snake brain” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
which is the earliest and oldest part of the human brain.
The story of the rebel angels is old and I’m convinced that it was told by people who had encountered spaths but lacked the knowedge of emotional retardation. But, it is no less accurate. When we take all of these tidbits together, we form a more complete picture of what a spath is.
Wow, Sky… All of that is so true!
Goodnight!!
Eden
Hi Sky and Eden,
if you come to my part of the world, you can be my house guests. most welcome.
Oxy knows where I live, you can check with her on email.
a bit nervous feeling about what the jerk is going to reply after I slipped and sent him the email of wanting to get back together.
I remember Sky – gray rock, no emotion.
to totally ignore the email will not be possible for me as we are in the same professional group and I do not want it to be ugly.
However, girls, I am strong, I will not weep and throw tantrums. I will stay calm and emotionless.
petite
((good nite Eden))
Petite,
I’m glad you will be calm and emotionless. before you reply, let us know what he says and we will help you stay strong.
xxxooo
sky
thanks Sky,
very sweet of you.
will let you know. your advice and advice from others here on LF is so valauble to me.
god knows where I would have been without this site.
thanks a ton.
petite
“I just could not get it because I could not imagine it.”
Well said Sky!
Ravenless Tower
Petite. ‘I do not want it to be ugly’
Be on your guard sweet petite because spaths can turn in a second!
He may see you at the next ‘event’ and totally blank you. Just saying this because you may try to be civil but these spaths don’t get it. This will be his attempt to get his own back (as he sees it).
Alternatively he may not email you for weeks and then wham bam you will switch on your computer and he will catch you off guard with an email.
He may already be onto his next victim (they usually have a couple on the go at any one time). You may not be the only iron in the fire!
Just trying to prepare you for what may be in store from my own experiences. Hope it helps in some way.
“Sometimes, I think it would be so awesome if we all could post on FLICKR or something pictures of our sociopaths. I wonder how many of them as individuals we share in common, I wonder how many physicial characteristics they share (handsome, muscular, etc). ”
that is a really interesting idea to me. there are so many times i read things here and i say “thats him!!!, thats got to be him!!”
or at least is equally evil twin.