Lovefraud recently received the following email from a reader whom we’ll call “Eleanor.”
Thank you for your wonderful site Lovefraud! It has helped me tremendously. I am still with my sociopath husband, but am quietly and surely planning on leaving. We have a few children so it really makes it more complicated.
He has now gone up to the next stage in what I’ve read sociopaths love to do. I’m so thankful that I read about it before he did it and know how to react and what to expect! He’s started to call up my family, giving them a sob story about how broken he is and how I won’t get any help (we’ve gone through a few counselors, with no obvious results as they’ve all been taken in by his acting abilities).
Now my question to you is, knowing he’s doing this, how can I have my close family not be influenced by him or believe him? To know it’s useless to fight him that’s a given (except in court, I will do whatever I can so that he doesn’t get custody of the children). But what can I say to my family to let them not take sides, realize he’s lying to them, and have them not believe him? I tried to tell them this but his authentic depressed behavior got to them more. I don’t want to be left alone without any support and want to catch this in the bud.
After I read your wonderful site I realize he’s been doing this for years. He’ll see I’m talking to a specific friend too much, and suddenly she’ll stop calling. I tried hard to think if I did anything to offend her, and I didn’t. Before I just had vague suspicions, but now I see clearly that he probably called her or her husband and spread lies that I told about her (I have only said good things about her, so there’s nothing truthful that he could say that would be bad). This has happened with past counselors also. One I finally had the courage to call and told her what he said that she said, and she was very upset and said she never said that about me and she’ll clear it up.
People don’t know
The problem Eleanor faces is that people in general do not know that sociopaths exist. They do not know what sociopathic behavior looks like. So because people do not understand that there are people who intentionally feign distress and unhappiness, casting themselves as the victim, they do not realize that what they are witnessing is nothing but an act, and they are being conned by a sociopath.
Eleanor needs to educate her family about sociopaths, but she needs to do it carefully. If she rants and raves that they should not to believe her husband because he is a sociopath, they will probably look at her like she is nuts. In fact, her husband may already be telling them that he’s very concerned about Eleanor, because she’s becoming mentally unglued. The family may begin to think that the husband is right, and Eleanor does, in fact, have mental issues.
Why would they think this? Because they probably believe that sociopaths are all deranged serial killers. If Eleanor’s husband hasn’t killed anyone, or if he isn’t violent, then she must be nuts.
Silence of the Lambs
A few days ago I watched The Silence of the Lambs. This is, of course, the movie that features Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, the cannibalistic psychopath.
Even though the movie came out in 1991, I’d never seen it. I don’t like horror movies or scary movies, so I never wanted to. But since we spend so much time talking about how people don’t understand what a psychopath really is, I figured I needed to see the movie that created so much misinformation, so I ordered it from Netflix. I was so apprehensive that I actually had nightmares several days before watching the film.
Two things struck me about Silence of the Lambs. First, Jodie Foster was really young in the movie. Second, no wonder people think psychopaths are all brilliant, cold-blooded serial killers.
The movie won five Academy Awards, including Best Actor and Best Actress for Hopkins and Foster, along with Best Picture, Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay. The American Film Institute named Hannibal Lecter, as portrayed by Hopkins, as the number one film villain of all time.
In the beginning of the movie, the medical director of the prison where Lecter is kept says, “Oh, he’s a monster. A pure psychopath. So rare to capture one alive.” And Lecter does display psychopathic behavior. But his behavior is so off the charts that I don’t know if there are any real-life cases as bad as he is.
Lecter is highly manipulative. The problem, however, is that his manipulation is obvious. His evil is obvious. And, of course, the guy is in prison for crimes so heinous that they put him in a straight jacket, strap him to a gurney and put a full mask on him to prevent him from literally biting someone’s head off.
I can see how the image of a psychopath from The Silence of the Lambs could be seared into someone’s brain. Unfortunately, the cartoon image of Hannibal Lecter may prevent people from identifying the real psychopaths who live among us.
After watching this movie, I feel like my decision to use the term “sociopath” on Lovefraud, instead of “psychopath,” was correct. No matter how many academic papers psychology researchers publish about the behavior of psychopaths, they’ll never be able to overcome the image of Anthony Hopkins ripping a cop’s face open with his teeth.
Red Flags of Love Fraud
Lovefraud’s goal is to educate people about sociopaths and what they’re really like, especially in intimate and family relationships. Towards that end, today I am sending my second book to the printer. It’s called, Red Flags of Love Fraud 10 signs you’re dating a sociopath. Here’s the description from the back cover:
What everyone who wants a loving relationship needs to know about social predators
Charisma, charm, so much in common and sexy too—is your romantic interest a dream date, or a sociopath? Millions of these social predators live among us, and they don’t look or act like serial killers. Rather, they present themselves as the love you’ve been waiting for all your life. Red Flags of Lovefraud identifies the clues and patterns of behavior that may indicate your partner is actually an exploiter. This book explains why you may be vulnerable, how the predators seduce you, how you become psychologically bonded, and how to break free of the trap.
I asked a former employee, whom I hadn’t spoken with in many years, to proofread the book. It turned out that she, too, married a sociopath. She told me, “If I’d read this book 10 years ago, it would have changed my life. Literally.”
My hope is that people will read the book, recognize the behaviors and realize that they’re dealing with a sociopath. My bigger hope is that people will read the book, learn the warning signs, and avoid becoming involved with a sociopath in the first place.
Explaining the behavior
But back to Eleanor she’s dealing with a husband who is full manipulation mode, trying to remove her support system by lying to her family and friends. My guess is he’s also running a smear campaign, subtly disparaging Eleanor to make her less credible.
First of all, I am really glad that Eleanor had the nerve to tell one of the counselors what her husband said. I’d be interested to know how that situation plays out —does the counselor start to get what is happening? Or does she fall for the husband’s lies again?
As far as the rest of her family is concerned, I think Eleanor needs to thoroughly educate herself about exactly what a sociopath is and how they behave. One way to do it is by reading Lovefraud carefully. She should learn about the key symptoms. She should even be able to quote some statistics about how many millions of sociopaths live among us.
Then, when appropriate opportunities arise with individual family members, she can present this information coolly and calmly. In fact, when her husband does something right out of the sociopathic playbook, she can explain how it is typical sociopathic behavior. For example, his sob story about how broken he is is an example of the pity play.
It’s important not to get upset or angry while conveying such information, because that would create the image that Eleanor is nothing but a scorned woman. People can’t listen to someone who is upset; they put up their defenses. And, presenting this information while upset could play right into the hands of the husband, who is probably saying that Eleanor is mentally unbalanced. So the best way to communicate this information is dispassionately.
What else can she do or say? Do you have any suggestions for Eleanor?
Oxy and Sky and Aussie,
Thank you for the hugs. I slept 11 hours. Back on the wagon again.
Wow. It is so hard to see what is in front of my face.
“Be kind! Be honest! Be transparant” I pleaded with him.
Might as well have asked him to fly to the moon.
Athena
I own a copy of The Talented Mr. Ripley and watch it when I start to feel sorry for my sociopath ex. That movie shows how these people will go to any lengths to “appear to be” what people need them to be. Also “Without Conscience” is an excellent book to make people aware of what they are dealing with. I was married to my ex for 33 years and it has taken me 5 years of healing to be anyplace close to trusting a man to begin a relationship. I am so lucky because the man I have recently starting seeing is so understanding that I got scared and kept “running away” from him at first. I never knew men could be actually protective and gentle. My father was a sociopath as well and all I ever saw from him was bullying of my mom and us and I married someone so much like him except if my ex had ever bullied out kids, I think I would have killed him. Instead, he basically acted as though they didn’t exist unless they were playing sports. He never went to the school plays, the band concerts. What a jerk these guys are. I still have trouble trusting the new guy but he just keeps saying “honey, don’t run away from me.” What a difference. Do you ever heal from these people?
Wow, all of you. Thank you so much for this article and all of the wonderful posts. A lot of this was triggering, but also so well thought out. I appreciate this community and the respectful dialogue, as we all share our experiences and learn from each other.
I have special sympathies for those of us who have children with our spaths. The discussion about lying in order to do “anything” to keep our children safe really hit home. It is true that I never had to lie — my spath was awful enough on his own; he didn’t need my help. But absolutely, I would have done ANYTHING to protect my children, including lying if necessary. Not for myself — but for my kids. I know if I only had to rescue myself, “no contact” would be possible. It is pretty awful to still have to deal with my spath and his spath-wife. My kids’ stepmom. Oh… ICK.
But I am 12 years out of that marriage. I honestly am wondering WHEN I will feel that it is OVER. When the kids are done with college? When they are married? It’s very, very hard.
I have had to be very forcefully insistent with my own “herd-like” family (parents, siblings) and friends, to please-pleasePLEASE have no contact with my ex. Because they could inadvertently give him “intelligence” about me that he would use against me. And all of his probing questions sound SO innocent… but he is really deviously digging, to find out — YES — what “matters most” to me, because that would be the thing he would set out to destroy.
(well, it is no secret, that my kids matter most). Yes, I even recently had to ACT (lie) in the CPS-mandated counselling with ex-spath and spathwife, as if I was unconcerned about the CPS threat to remove the children from my home. I did a grey rock about that (thanks!!!!) and I think it really took them by surprise. I think they were really expecting me to look anxious and “express feelings” about my “fears.” Instead, I turned it around on them, and it actually was pretty funny (in a very sick way).
Here’s what happened:
On the last day of counselling, spathwife put on her anxious act (totally an act; I saw right through it) and said, “oh dear, I’m just so FRIGHTENED of what CPS might DO!!! (20years), you have NO IDEA how much POWER they have!!! I know, because — you may not be aware of this — my early career years were spent working for CPS, and I got to know many foster children, and only ONE of them ever said they were GLAD that they had been removed from their parents!!! Oh dear!!!! I am just so AFRAID of their power… you just have NO IDEA what they are CAPABLE OF!!! I mean, WHAT IF they decide to remove the kids from your home, then they will come live with US fulltime, and, you know, I told (spath) when I married him, if I had WANTED to have kids of my own, I would have HAD them!!! I mean — of COURSE (20years) I will take care of your kids if they end up living with us fulltime…”
and to that spectacle (because that’s what it was), I said, “gee (spathwife), I can see how frightened you are. I know how much work these kids are… after all, I have been doing this pretty much fulltime for the past 18 years… that would be very hard for you.” And I had a vaguely concerned (for her) look on my face. Trust me — I had it down perfectly — I had no “bitchy” or snarly look on my face. It was just an appearance of sincere, mild concern for her evident fears and anxiety. 🙂 (so, that was me putting on a mask and being fake)
And then I said I was not at all concerned what CPS might do — that I thought it was highly unlikely they would decide to take them away from me, so I didn’t think that (spathwife) needed to worry too much about that. (intellectually I believed this, though emotionally of COURSE that was a fear of mine — it is that protective mother instinct!).
I showed NO fear.
So I thank ALL of you for your wisdom and your very good ideas of tricks and tactics, like the “grey rock” which was so useful to me in suddenly becoming very bland and unemotional in this fake “therapy” we were forced into. No way was I going to reveal any emotions … but most importantly, all of you have helped me see more clearly, as though it was happening in slow motion, frame-by-frame in front of my face, what this spath-couple were about and were up to. I used to be taken in by their masks of emotions, but this past summer I learned that everything about them is an act. Everything. (and I still hate sending my kids over there every other weekend)
Once I could see it, honestly being able to see it almost before it happens, it is so much easier to calmly ACT instead of REACT.
Thank you, thank you. (sorry this rambles) 🙂
It is hard to protect your kids. My grown kids only hear from their father if I won’t take his calls so for a while I was listening to his whining and bs about he didn’t have any food because he owed all his money to crack dealers and he didn’t have gloves and a hat because he spent all his money on crack. I was willing to have him hit me up for little things (probably all the time laughting at me with his boyfriend crack addict) to protect my daughters but I finally had to say “no more.” I told my daughters not to tell me when their dad called them. I am sooooooo glad this man has no interest in our grandchildren. They don’t need this sickness in their lives.
Oh, and thank God that I got out when I did. It was hard starting over in my 50s but I am not having any trouble dating DECENT men, have a new house that I bought on my own, a nice car, friends and family that I love and who love me back. It may seem like the sociopaths are winning, but they honestly don’t know what they are missing. I wouldn’t give up being about to give acutal honest love and to receive love for anything in the world.
A young family member has been dating a sociopath and did not realise it at first.
She broke off with him but he wooed her back with all sorts of romantic spiel.
Then he left her to find a new home for him to move in with her, while he works away and takes it easy when he is back in town on breaks.
She told him that as a working single mother she could not do the whole “find a house and move” without some assistance from him.
His reply: “I’m too busy”.
When he is away at his fly in fly out job he expects her to text and phone him all the time, and sulks and sends harrassing text messages and phone calls complaining for her lack of contact with him.
He is totally NOT understanding or accepting of the fact that she is a very busy hardworking single Mum trying to hold down a job and get her children off to school on time, fed, cared for etc.
I asked the youngest child if they liked him.
They replied that he seemed nice, but scared all the children when he was saying bad things at their Mum, swearing and yelling.
He has gone to their rental home and banged on the door repeatedly and been verbally abusive at the front door even when told to go away because “It was all over”.
I have heard him abusing her and pleading for her to meet him for a cup of coffee “So he could have closure” when she was been repeatedly telling him kindly, that the relationship was finished and he needed to move on, and to talk it over with his mother if he needed someone to talk it over with.
I advised her to alert the Police to his behaviour as he is actually stalking her and harrassing her.
Her children are afraid of him when he is behaving like this.
I am going to forward your emails to her so she can be better educated about sociopathic behaviour and manipulation.
I am concerned for her emotional and physical safety and for the effect his behaviour is having on her young impressionable children.
I have been there, and gone through that, and based on my personal experiences have advised her to have NO CONTACT.
CathyAnn
The Talented Mr. Ripley is an eye opener. It’s exactly like my spath.
There is a thread on here with a whole list of SPATHY movies. I rented most of them, probably 20 or 25 of them. I think Mr. Ripley was dead on. So is Bodyheat.
Still, it’s so much easier to see what’s going on in somebody else’s life rather than your own.
HUGS.
Athena
20years ~
I so enjoyed you sharing your counselling session experience. I think you give the perfect example of the “grey rock” and how it DOES WORK. I am such a total believer in “grey rock”.
After the luxury of five years of NC with my spathy daughter, because of court ordered visitation with my grandson (we have custody) I was faced with having to communicate with her on a daily basis. I could not imagine being able to do this and retain what was left of my sanity. When Sky first explained “grey rock”, I must admit I had serious doubts, but at this point I was willing to try anything. She was making daily calls, not really to talk to her son, but to “trigger” me by saying inflamatory things that she knew, from the past, would get a reaction from me. I responded with the trivial, boring phrases, always acting NEVER reacting. I knew it was working because she actually said, “Are you feeling alright, you just don’t act like yourself”
After several months, I slipped and reacted to something she said, WHAM – she moved in and took over, the chaos erupted and before I knew it I was in one of those “stick my head in a blender” fights. She had gotten what she wanted, a reaction from me. She started calling non-stop, wanting more. I was able, with help from LF buddies, to start the “grey rocking” all over again.
It is now months later and the daily calls are down to about once every two weeks, visits from weekly to every other month. SHE IS BORED WITH ME. That, as Sky teaches is the object. I am no longer any “fun” to play with, so she leaves me alone. It is really that simple.
Now, when the caller ID shows her number, I no longer shake in fear of what the call will bring. Now I immediately start thinking of new and even more boring responses. Right now I am working on “reasons why I can’t stay on the phone” I was thinking of maybe describing (step by step ofcourse) the boil that needs to be drained on the dog’s butt. Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated.
“Grey rock” ROCKS
Wow…Good post. Sounds exactly what my ex s/p did to me. He had been working it even before I caught on to his cheating and abuse. My family fell for his lies, but now 6 years later, they realize just how sick he is. I would suggest Eleanor to educate her children on sociopathic behavior so they can recognize it when their father starts exploiting them. I have found that the court system is not designed to protect the innocense of children or the victim of this type of abuse so make sure you find an attorney who has experience with these type of cases and knows what a sociopath is capable of and what they are. I wish you the best!
A wonderful discussion. Thank you all for your thoughtful comments.