Lovefraud recently received the following email from a reader whom we’ll call “Eleanor.”
Thank you for your wonderful site Lovefraud! It has helped me tremendously. I am still with my sociopath husband, but am quietly and surely planning on leaving. We have a few children so it really makes it more complicated.
He has now gone up to the next stage in what I’ve read sociopaths love to do. I’m so thankful that I read about it before he did it and know how to react and what to expect! He’s started to call up my family, giving them a sob story about how broken he is and how I won’t get any help (we’ve gone through a few counselors, with no obvious results as they’ve all been taken in by his acting abilities).
Now my question to you is, knowing he’s doing this, how can I have my close family not be influenced by him or believe him? To know it’s useless to fight him that’s a given (except in court, I will do whatever I can so that he doesn’t get custody of the children). But what can I say to my family to let them not take sides, realize he’s lying to them, and have them not believe him? I tried to tell them this but his authentic depressed behavior got to them more. I don’t want to be left alone without any support and want to catch this in the bud.
After I read your wonderful site I realize he’s been doing this for years. He’ll see I’m talking to a specific friend too much, and suddenly she’ll stop calling. I tried hard to think if I did anything to offend her, and I didn’t. Before I just had vague suspicions, but now I see clearly that he probably called her or her husband and spread lies that I told about her (I have only said good things about her, so there’s nothing truthful that he could say that would be bad). This has happened with past counselors also. One I finally had the courage to call and told her what he said that she said, and she was very upset and said she never said that about me and she’ll clear it up.
People don’t know
The problem Eleanor faces is that people in general do not know that sociopaths exist. They do not know what sociopathic behavior looks like. So because people do not understand that there are people who intentionally feign distress and unhappiness, casting themselves as the victim, they do not realize that what they are witnessing is nothing but an act, and they are being conned by a sociopath.
Eleanor needs to educate her family about sociopaths, but she needs to do it carefully. If she rants and raves that they should not to believe her husband because he is a sociopath, they will probably look at her like she is nuts. In fact, her husband may already be telling them that he’s very concerned about Eleanor, because she’s becoming mentally unglued. The family may begin to think that the husband is right, and Eleanor does, in fact, have mental issues.
Why would they think this? Because they probably believe that sociopaths are all deranged serial killers. If Eleanor’s husband hasn’t killed anyone, or if he isn’t violent, then she must be nuts.
Silence of the Lambs
A few days ago I watched The Silence of the Lambs. This is, of course, the movie that features Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, the cannibalistic psychopath.
Even though the movie came out in 1991, I’d never seen it. I don’t like horror movies or scary movies, so I never wanted to. But since we spend so much time talking about how people don’t understand what a psychopath really is, I figured I needed to see the movie that created so much misinformation, so I ordered it from Netflix. I was so apprehensive that I actually had nightmares several days before watching the film.
Two things struck me about Silence of the Lambs. First, Jodie Foster was really young in the movie. Second, no wonder people think psychopaths are all brilliant, cold-blooded serial killers.
The movie won five Academy Awards, including Best Actor and Best Actress for Hopkins and Foster, along with Best Picture, Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay. The American Film Institute named Hannibal Lecter, as portrayed by Hopkins, as the number one film villain of all time.
In the beginning of the movie, the medical director of the prison where Lecter is kept says, “Oh, he’s a monster. A pure psychopath. So rare to capture one alive.” And Lecter does display psychopathic behavior. But his behavior is so off the charts that I don’t know if there are any real-life cases as bad as he is.
Lecter is highly manipulative. The problem, however, is that his manipulation is obvious. His evil is obvious. And, of course, the guy is in prison for crimes so heinous that they put him in a straight jacket, strap him to a gurney and put a full mask on him to prevent him from literally biting someone’s head off.
I can see how the image of a psychopath from The Silence of the Lambs could be seared into someone’s brain. Unfortunately, the cartoon image of Hannibal Lecter may prevent people from identifying the real psychopaths who live among us.
After watching this movie, I feel like my decision to use the term “sociopath” on Lovefraud, instead of “psychopath,” was correct. No matter how many academic papers psychology researchers publish about the behavior of psychopaths, they’ll never be able to overcome the image of Anthony Hopkins ripping a cop’s face open with his teeth.
Red Flags of Love Fraud
Lovefraud’s goal is to educate people about sociopaths and what they’re really like, especially in intimate and family relationships. Towards that end, today I am sending my second book to the printer. It’s called, Red Flags of Love Fraud 10 signs you’re dating a sociopath. Here’s the description from the back cover:
What everyone who wants a loving relationship needs to know about social predators
Charisma, charm, so much in common and sexy too—is your romantic interest a dream date, or a sociopath? Millions of these social predators live among us, and they don’t look or act like serial killers. Rather, they present themselves as the love you’ve been waiting for all your life. Red Flags of Lovefraud identifies the clues and patterns of behavior that may indicate your partner is actually an exploiter. This book explains why you may be vulnerable, how the predators seduce you, how you become psychologically bonded, and how to break free of the trap.
I asked a former employee, whom I hadn’t spoken with in many years, to proofread the book. It turned out that she, too, married a sociopath. She told me, “If I’d read this book 10 years ago, it would have changed my life. Literally.”
My hope is that people will read the book, recognize the behaviors and realize that they’re dealing with a sociopath. My bigger hope is that people will read the book, learn the warning signs, and avoid becoming involved with a sociopath in the first place.
Explaining the behavior
But back to Eleanor she’s dealing with a husband who is full manipulation mode, trying to remove her support system by lying to her family and friends. My guess is he’s also running a smear campaign, subtly disparaging Eleanor to make her less credible.
First of all, I am really glad that Eleanor had the nerve to tell one of the counselors what her husband said. I’d be interested to know how that situation plays out —does the counselor start to get what is happening? Or does she fall for the husband’s lies again?
As far as the rest of her family is concerned, I think Eleanor needs to thoroughly educate herself about exactly what a sociopath is and how they behave. One way to do it is by reading Lovefraud carefully. She should learn about the key symptoms. She should even be able to quote some statistics about how many millions of sociopaths live among us.
Then, when appropriate opportunities arise with individual family members, she can present this information coolly and calmly. In fact, when her husband does something right out of the sociopathic playbook, she can explain how it is typical sociopathic behavior. For example, his sob story about how broken he is is an example of the pity play.
It’s important not to get upset or angry while conveying such information, because that would create the image that Eleanor is nothing but a scorned woman. People can’t listen to someone who is upset; they put up their defenses. And, presenting this information while upset could play right into the hands of the husband, who is probably saying that Eleanor is mentally unbalanced. So the best way to communicate this information is dispassionately.
What else can she do or say? Do you have any suggestions for Eleanor?
Madhanna, yes, I agree with you. Once I finally got the bit about how ALL of it is an act, something clicked in me and I was able to let go of a whole bunch of those hidden strings that kept me somewhat emotionally tied in. Previously, it was feelings like guilt, or “what if I’m mistaken — how can I judge another person?” or rage, or pity. But then — finally — it got all clear, all of a sudden. That it was all a manipulative act. It is funny to me how I could be so taken in by it, for so many years. It created a lot of confusion and self doubt within myself. A lot of that had to do with — “how far am I allowed to take this judging of him/what he has done and is doing to me, before I go over the edge into what is not right? I mean, we aren’t supposed to condemn others, are we? But he did/is doing such awful, mean things! But maybe, deep inside… he’s just a hurt puppy. I should be kinder, even though I don’t need to put myself in his path… at least, I should think kind thoughts towards him, right?”
OK, so that WAS my state of mind. I was in a state of mind that could be easily played by a manipulative actor.
Now, I do not condemn myself for having that state of mind. In many respects, it’s nice to have good will towards our fellow men.
I am so grateful that that part of me is still intact, after what I’ve been through. I have good will towards people of good will. But for the manipulative actors among us… I now have a big, fat GRAY ROCK. 🙂
There is such a darkness to these people… and I think a part of me always realized that, but I was too afraid to really look it in the eye. Once I did, I saw that it was just a mask. Covering — well, what it feels like is that it covers something that has lost or become disconnected from its humanity. So, I can interact with it superficially, but that is all. I no longer get sucked in. Because there’s NOTHING THERE.
As for our kids… well, I sure don’t know. Mine are teens, still in the nest. I really, really hate sending them over there. As I mentioned before, how I’ve had to get tough with my “herdlike” family, to warn them against talking to my ex-spath because he collects intelligence about me to use later… I really can’t warn our kids about that very well. I try to tell them that it probably is best if they don’t share stories back and forth because it’s private, and their dad and I am no longer married. But I know they do tell him things about me… so, that’s hard.
I really appreciate all of you — it means the world to me to have this community of people who understand, even if I don’t get to post too much.
Hi, this is finally Eleanor,
Donna, thank you for your wonderful brilliant introduction! And I really thank all of you so much for your advice and encouragement! I can’t believe you’ve given so much information starting from yesterday! I can’t even name all of you, I will read all your posts over and over as it’s such valuable information. Ox Drover, Annie, madhanna, MiLo, Skyler, Redwald, and everyone else, really insightful eye-opening advice!
I do have a problem with lying (I think everyone would see through me and I just couldn’t do it), but there is no need in this case whatsoever. A lot of the examples of spath behavior written above is unfortunately too true that I wouldn’t have to make up anything. My MP3 is my trustworthy friend and I’ve used it many times and I try to keep a lot of notes. I just have so much! I have found that when I speak to certain family I am able to be more detached and it’s really true that these are the ones that are starting to believe me. Whoever I show how upset I am by his treatment, tend to believe HIM. Everything everyone’s written is so true and I’m so so happy to see it all here in black and white. I want to go over everything again and again until it’s stuck in my head and I’ll automatically do it! I’d like to learn more about this grey rock also.
I have tried to teach the children about spath behaviors, but they don’t understand or want to understand. When he does something so spathic, I tell them afterwards, but they’re children, and quickly forget. He just has to butter them up and they quickly forget all the abuse he’s directed to me or them.
I have also gone through periods of being completely bland with spath and he’d go mad knowing I’m not reacting to him, then I’ll slip and give him the reaction he wants, and he’ll forge full speed ahead. Then it’s harder to get me in the disassociated frame of mind. I have to work on this more. I am slowly planning on leaving. I’m trying to do what other threads have said to do in preparation. In the meanwhile I have to find a way to survive and prepare for the big fight ahead.
((Eleanor))
Welcome.
Our emotions probably are closer to the surface than the average, that’s why the spaths target us. We just look yummy to them. Grey rock is not about lying, it’s just about keeping our emotions to ourselves. We do have that right, but spaths don’t want us to have that right. They feel entitled to our emotions, since they don’t have any of their own.
I want to offer you another tool: laughter. It does disarm them when you laugh as they try to gaslight you. You don’t actually have to say anything. Just laugh uncontrollably. If he insists on an explanation, tell him you are laughing at your own silly self. The reason I like this one is because it derails the attacks more quickly. If you can’t leave him right now, at least you an get him to leave you in peace for a bit.
It has been 2.5 years since I left the spath and only recently am I more “calm” when I talk to others about his horrific crimes. When I first left him, I was not taken seriously by anyone who didn’t either know him or know about spaths. I was lucky that I ran into ONE man – who believed me, got it and explained it to me. He told me that to get rid of stalkers, you have to “be boring”. I created a theory around his advice and renamed it Gray Rock.
Anyway, my point is that you really can’t “push” yourself to become calm. It’s PTSD and it takes as long as it takes.
I think meditation might help. You will get there and until then, don’t bother with people who don’t WANT TO GET IT, because that is the crux of it: THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Can we blame them? I was just like them for 43 years. I can’t point fingers TOO much.
Eleanor, be sure you get a really good lawyer. The one I had, which is the kind I like, is the one who is ethical and can interact with the opposition in a courteous manner so long as they are being above board. But if the opposition plays dirty, my lawyer sees it instantly and has none of it. You want someone who “gets it” — not everyone does.
Be safe, strong, take good care of yourself. I’m very sorry for what you are going through and about to go through. But you will get through it and come out on the other side, to a good place.
It’s uncharted territory for you, but others have gone through it (dark days will NOT break you — and it is only temporary) and you will too.
These days, for some reason, I have the lyrics to “Band on the Run” playing around in my head. it’s not my favorite song of all time, but I really like the idea of escaping from the prison or trap of an “expected” life, to a more simple life with nice people, and staying away from mean people with grudges. What’s really important, hummm? So… you can be “on the run” but free… you may never convince your family that you were right to leave. But you WILL find a good life, and good people to spend it with.
Hang in there.
Skylar:
That’s funny, sometimes I have laughed out loud as his behavior was SO typical of a spath (after I started reading about it, before that I had no idea). He would laugh along just like they wrote above!
So how can I act like a grey rock, when I can’t push myself to be calm?
How can I be boring? You mean when he’s trying to connive me or pull one over on me, I just act disinterested?
His mentor who has a high position in his society, doesn’t get it, no matter how high up he is and how many people come to him for advice. Everyone else things he’s so wonderful and understands people and situations, but what he tells me is another form of HIS abusing me also! Trying to get me to accept what spath is doing and trying to make me believe all men are like that and it’s not so bad to live like that!
20years,
it’s amazing isn’t it? That someone could act like that and feel nothing is wrong with it? It’s like second nature to them.
My theory is that they don’t have a problem taking on other “personas” because they don’t have any persona to begin with. Just empty space, to be filled by whatever they happen to mirror at that moment.
Thanks 20years. I’ll try to keep your encouragement in mind. I’m really scared of the road ahead and am taking it slowly so I can at least emotionally deal with it before it becomes reality.
Skylar, you are SO right. We “get it” when we do. Until then… not ready to face the truth, or don’t wanna, or can’t.
I had to get backed into a corner before I was willing to face the truth. Truth is UGLY. But it does set you free. I’m glad I figured that out (and it took me 48 years!).
It’s tough when family/friends don’t see what you see. especially if you have a long history or ties with these people. No contact makes sense when you are dealing with spaths — but does it make sense when you are simply dealing with the herdlike ones who haven’t faced or can’t recognize the truth?
Limited and superficial relationships can be painful, particularly if they are with friends or family you used to be close with… but then you got awakened before they did. How can you continue in an authentic relationship if you see things so differently now?
When I first met him, what I liked about him the most is that he seemed so “normal”, no issues, just normal!! He spend a lot of his life observing people and taking on this act of normalicy. Now even other people wouldn’t call him that. They’d call him charismatic, a go-getter, but not just normal. That’s what I needed at that point in my life, and that’s what he showed me.
Except for one family member who is a narcisst, the others are just ignorant. I have to try to follow the advice above (no drama, tell it straight, and in little bits and pieces, the truth) and I hope it works.