Lovefraud recently received the following email from a reader whom we’ll call “Eleanor.”
Thank you for your wonderful site Lovefraud! It has helped me tremendously. I am still with my sociopath husband, but am quietly and surely planning on leaving. We have a few children so it really makes it more complicated.
He has now gone up to the next stage in what I’ve read sociopaths love to do. I’m so thankful that I read about it before he did it and know how to react and what to expect! He’s started to call up my family, giving them a sob story about how broken he is and how I won’t get any help (we’ve gone through a few counselors, with no obvious results as they’ve all been taken in by his acting abilities).
Now my question to you is, knowing he’s doing this, how can I have my close family not be influenced by him or believe him? To know it’s useless to fight him that’s a given (except in court, I will do whatever I can so that he doesn’t get custody of the children). But what can I say to my family to let them not take sides, realize he’s lying to them, and have them not believe him? I tried to tell them this but his authentic depressed behavior got to them more. I don’t want to be left alone without any support and want to catch this in the bud.
After I read your wonderful site I realize he’s been doing this for years. He’ll see I’m talking to a specific friend too much, and suddenly she’ll stop calling. I tried hard to think if I did anything to offend her, and I didn’t. Before I just had vague suspicions, but now I see clearly that he probably called her or her husband and spread lies that I told about her (I have only said good things about her, so there’s nothing truthful that he could say that would be bad). This has happened with past counselors also. One I finally had the courage to call and told her what he said that she said, and she was very upset and said she never said that about me and she’ll clear it up.
People don’t know
The problem Eleanor faces is that people in general do not know that sociopaths exist. They do not know what sociopathic behavior looks like. So because people do not understand that there are people who intentionally feign distress and unhappiness, casting themselves as the victim, they do not realize that what they are witnessing is nothing but an act, and they are being conned by a sociopath.
Eleanor needs to educate her family about sociopaths, but she needs to do it carefully. If she rants and raves that they should not to believe her husband because he is a sociopath, they will probably look at her like she is nuts. In fact, her husband may already be telling them that he’s very concerned about Eleanor, because she’s becoming mentally unglued. The family may begin to think that the husband is right, and Eleanor does, in fact, have mental issues.
Why would they think this? Because they probably believe that sociopaths are all deranged serial killers. If Eleanor’s husband hasn’t killed anyone, or if he isn’t violent, then she must be nuts.
Silence of the Lambs
A few days ago I watched The Silence of the Lambs. This is, of course, the movie that features Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, the cannibalistic psychopath.
Even though the movie came out in 1991, I’d never seen it. I don’t like horror movies or scary movies, so I never wanted to. But since we spend so much time talking about how people don’t understand what a psychopath really is, I figured I needed to see the movie that created so much misinformation, so I ordered it from Netflix. I was so apprehensive that I actually had nightmares several days before watching the film.
Two things struck me about Silence of the Lambs. First, Jodie Foster was really young in the movie. Second, no wonder people think psychopaths are all brilliant, cold-blooded serial killers.
The movie won five Academy Awards, including Best Actor and Best Actress for Hopkins and Foster, along with Best Picture, Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay. The American Film Institute named Hannibal Lecter, as portrayed by Hopkins, as the number one film villain of all time.
In the beginning of the movie, the medical director of the prison where Lecter is kept says, “Oh, he’s a monster. A pure psychopath. So rare to capture one alive.” And Lecter does display psychopathic behavior. But his behavior is so off the charts that I don’t know if there are any real-life cases as bad as he is.
Lecter is highly manipulative. The problem, however, is that his manipulation is obvious. His evil is obvious. And, of course, the guy is in prison for crimes so heinous that they put him in a straight jacket, strap him to a gurney and put a full mask on him to prevent him from literally biting someone’s head off.
I can see how the image of a psychopath from The Silence of the Lambs could be seared into someone’s brain. Unfortunately, the cartoon image of Hannibal Lecter may prevent people from identifying the real psychopaths who live among us.
After watching this movie, I feel like my decision to use the term “sociopath” on Lovefraud, instead of “psychopath,” was correct. No matter how many academic papers psychology researchers publish about the behavior of psychopaths, they’ll never be able to overcome the image of Anthony Hopkins ripping a cop’s face open with his teeth.
Red Flags of Love Fraud
Lovefraud’s goal is to educate people about sociopaths and what they’re really like, especially in intimate and family relationships. Towards that end, today I am sending my second book to the printer. It’s called, Red Flags of Love Fraud 10 signs you’re dating a sociopath. Here’s the description from the back cover:
What everyone who wants a loving relationship needs to know about social predators
Charisma, charm, so much in common and sexy too—is your romantic interest a dream date, or a sociopath? Millions of these social predators live among us, and they don’t look or act like serial killers. Rather, they present themselves as the love you’ve been waiting for all your life. Red Flags of Lovefraud identifies the clues and patterns of behavior that may indicate your partner is actually an exploiter. This book explains why you may be vulnerable, how the predators seduce you, how you become psychologically bonded, and how to break free of the trap.
I asked a former employee, whom I hadn’t spoken with in many years, to proofread the book. It turned out that she, too, married a sociopath. She told me, “If I’d read this book 10 years ago, it would have changed my life. Literally.”
My hope is that people will read the book, recognize the behaviors and realize that they’re dealing with a sociopath. My bigger hope is that people will read the book, learn the warning signs, and avoid becoming involved with a sociopath in the first place.
Explaining the behavior
But back to Eleanor she’s dealing with a husband who is full manipulation mode, trying to remove her support system by lying to her family and friends. My guess is he’s also running a smear campaign, subtly disparaging Eleanor to make her less credible.
First of all, I am really glad that Eleanor had the nerve to tell one of the counselors what her husband said. I’d be interested to know how that situation plays out —does the counselor start to get what is happening? Or does she fall for the husband’s lies again?
As far as the rest of her family is concerned, I think Eleanor needs to thoroughly educate herself about exactly what a sociopath is and how they behave. One way to do it is by reading Lovefraud carefully. She should learn about the key symptoms. She should even be able to quote some statistics about how many millions of sociopaths live among us.
Then, when appropriate opportunities arise with individual family members, she can present this information coolly and calmly. In fact, when her husband does something right out of the sociopathic playbook, she can explain how it is typical sociopathic behavior. For example, his sob story about how broken he is is an example of the pity play.
It’s important not to get upset or angry while conveying such information, because that would create the image that Eleanor is nothing but a scorned woman. People can’t listen to someone who is upset; they put up their defenses. And, presenting this information while upset could play right into the hands of the husband, who is probably saying that Eleanor is mentally unbalanced. So the best way to communicate this information is dispassionately.
What else can she do or say? Do you have any suggestions for Eleanor?
Skylar, yes, I think we see things similarly — empty space, nothing there. And I also wonder, in terms of perspective taking (because that is one of the “traits” — not being able to take another’s perspective)… if spaths see us as alien as we see them? I mean, do they realize that WE are not empty space? Just curious. I am not losing sleep over this! 😉
Eleanor, I think the “gray rock” will click for you one day, as it did for me. Until then, pretend.
It must be extremely hard, though, since you are still for all observable purposes, in the relationship.
What helped me (in case it helps you): know this, and know it in your bones: everything he does is an act designed to manipulate you. (this is a hurtful thought, so if you haven’t confronted this yet enough, it will hurt you — you are, after all, married to him). so, I mean EVERYTHING.
Everything is a mask. It is not just Mr. Hyde who is the mask. It is also Dr. Jekyll. All. Of. It.
Now that you know this (once you know it in your bones), you can play with it a little, to test this theory. But your state of mind should be “detached.” You can experiment, sometimes showing an expected emotional “reaction” to him (something he does or says — you know what these are!), and other times doing the unexpected (in other words — figure out what reaction would be expected, and then do the opposite). You can think out your responses in advance.
And see what he does.
I think, after you’ve done this a few times, it will click for you.
One thing that helped me was keeping in mind that he (and spathwife, joined at the hip) was ALWAYS trying to push one of my buttons. I figured out what my buttons were, what he was up to, and then… refused to react.
Sometimes it helps to turn focus back on him, but in a calm way (pretend you are a therapist responding to his expression of emotions — you can be detached, empathetic, but NOT sucked in). For example, if he acts depressed, you can say, “you clearly seem depressed. Have you talked to your doctor about this?” (but do not show any distress of your own — just a mild, detached, kind of vague yet kind concern).
I’m not sure the kinds of scenarios you run into with yours, so I am just offering examples from mine. 🙂
20 years,
When I first found lovefruad, it was very hard to accept that everything he did was to manipulate me. It was hard, but in a way, very cleansing. From then on I had such clarity every time he did or said something, and really understood it for what it was worth. The problem is that he knows one of my buttons is the children. I can’t act like they don’t mean anything to me, than I would be short-changing them of having a loving mother. He uses them against me.
Eleanor,
Ugh. yep. Been there. And you also have to be careful because you do not have custody yet. Be your most loving self.
Yet… how does he push your “children” button? Is he mean to them and it makes you react?
He knows they mean the world to me, so he’ll say whatever he can to make them think badly of me, go against me, defy me. And yes, he also is mean to the ones that he knows I’m trying to help the most. If I’m helping one with a difficult homework assignment, he’ll belittle it and make it seem bad that the mother would actually help the kid!! Then the kid is very resistant and doesn’t want any help when they desperately need it. So the kid suffers and retroactively so do I as I see the kid is suffering and want to help, yet they won’t accept my help.
Eleanor ~ I am “”GREY ROCK” hear me bore. Ok, laughter, I try.
Just start by saying ” uhuh ” (I have no idea how to spell that) followed by “is that right” – “I never knew that” and more “uhuh” “think it will rain”
Think of the most boring person you talk to, what makes their conversations so boring – Use that
Ofcourse the children are always our “buttons” and they know that, they are nothing but pawns to them. Somehow you must think of ways to re-wire those buttons, so when he pushes them you don’t react. It’s a lot about not engaging in any type of discussion and/or argument involving the kids. When he is trying to “pull one over on you” pretend you don’t suspect a thing. File it away, in the back of your mind, just don’t act like you notice.
I give you so much credit, it is so hard when you are trying to look out for your kids and putting up with this.
I wish you the very best.
Eleanor,
In acting like they don’t mean anything to you you are not short changing the kids you are only playing a PART like in a play to pretend to him that something is not important.
First, don’t discuss the welfare of the children with him. If he says “how are the kids doing in school?” you say “okay I guess.” (no more information than possible) if he pushes, just keep repeating, or say “I don’t know” If Johnny is having trouble in math, do NOT let the X know it….if Johnnfy says “Oh, dad, I’mm having trouble in Math” then you respond with “Oh, it’s nothing much” Keep on DOWN PLAYING any problems in the family or with the children or anything you are concerned about. DONT’ let him know about your concerns. It is keeping information from HIM.
If he has information he will use it against you and the kids, so keep him ignorant as much as possible.
Keep on reading and learning and pretending you are not upset by anything. If he says something nasty just act like it “went over your head” and you didn’t catch it. LOL (((hugs))) and hang in there. It will get better.
MiLo,
Okay, I see what you mean. I’ll have to reprogram myself to think like that. It’s true, if he sees I’m suspicious of something he’s doing, he’ll follow that up with a threat. I can see that if I act like I’m buying it, he would just drop it. I feel like reacting because I don’t like to see deceit and fakeness. But it makes more sense to just pretend it doesn’t exist and it’ll blow over quicker. It just feels so unjustified, but that’s the way a spath is. I just have to file it away as you said and deal with my feelings when he’s not around.
Thanks for your wishes.
Ox Drover,
That’s good practical advice. It’s so good for me to keep hearing all these things and I’ll keep rereading and hope it becomes automatic. I’ve already tried to keep other things from him, like my preparations for leaving, and the kids’ lives is also a good thing to keep vague.
Eleanor I know it is tempting to say “You are lying” when you see he is lying, but it is easier and better to just file it away in your mind but be quiet….don’t tell him what you are thinking and for sure not what you are planning. Keep information about the kids and yourself away from him as much as possible. It takes time to NOT REACT when he knows how to make you react, or push your buttons. You will improve with practice. Believe me I know just how hard it is to look at them and KNOW they are lying and not say a word or let on that you know. or confront them. So just keep on practicing!
Ox Drover,
Well, I guess this doesn’t apply anymore as we’re not in joint therapy now, but in the past I would bring up something he did, with proofs, dates, details and he’d just deny it ever happened and say I was loosing it and imagining things. Then I thought if I caught him out in his lie, as it was happening, then he couldn’t deny it. But, actually, he did deny it even then! What should I have done then?